LGBT in Video Games
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*Sighs* I have to get this out again....Gorilla Gunk said:
Also, Escapist, I'm disappoint, repeating sterotypes is wwwrroonnnggg.... I thought you guys knew better then to resort to stereotypical steroytypes.
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Right you three, what is in common with all three of your statements, answer is below.Agente L said:
That its a typical sterotype.
Ok then, this is probably the best person to quote for the answer:
Thank you for making a wonderful post.Best of the 3 said:
I have mixed feelings when it comes to gay characters in video games.
On one hand I'd like there to be more gay characters in games.
On the other hand, I wish developers would stop writing gay characters because so far there have been very, very, very few gay game character I liked. I think the only ones I've like have been Gay Tony and Zangief, and in the latter's case his sexuality is still just a baseless rumor, so really it's just Gay Tony, and even he annoys the shit out of me half the time.
On one hand I'd like there to be more gay characters in games.
On the other hand, I wish developers would stop writing gay characters because so far there have been very, very, very few gay game character I liked. I think the only ones I've like have been Gay Tony and Zangief, and in the latter's case his sexuality is still just a baseless rumor, so really it's just Gay Tony, and even he annoys the shit out of me half the time.
Personal insults aside...Monoochrom said:You realize this Thread is about opinions on the LGBT community, right? Pretty common opinion that the kind that have to mention it all the time are annoying.Nimcha said:You're doing the exact same thing.Monoochrom said:
I don't give a shit about 99% of the content that's posted on these forums, yet I don't complain about it.
Like I said, study harder, you kind of suck at the whole psychology thing.
I do not care about your opinion, you just made a sweeping generalization. That I reacted to.
I don't mind what people's sexual preferences are. As long as it's not hurting anyone and it's between two consenting adults then it's fine by me.
A lot of things I personally wouldn't want to engage in, but who am I to judge what other people want to do.
A lot of things I personally wouldn't want to engage in, but who am I to judge what other people want to do.
the problem is that getting angry about bimbos in video games is, well...misplaced. their first job is to sell a product, and because most of their consumer base is straight males, the thing that will sell best is tig ol bitties. I doubt its as much the companies trying to make gay people uncomfortable than it is them just trying to appeal to the majority. Also, with straight people things get weird if they flaunt their sexuality in public (i'm not talking holding hands, im talking serious PDA status)Aprilgold said:*Sighs* I have to get this out again....Gorilla Gunk said:
Also, Escapist, I'm disappoint, repeating sterotypes is wwwrroonnnggg.... I thought you guys knew better then to resort to stereotypical steroytypes.
I have very liberal views regarding sexuality, people can do what they like as long as it doesn't harm other people (and I mean actual harm not some psychological bs) True I'm not exactly into the whoel 2 guys loving each other thing but it's not my place to judge and they're subject to all the same laws regarding public indecency so there's no problem right.
As far as two girls being together, well I might spend a few seconds drooling before regaining composure.
I'd say the medium of videogames has a long way to go in terms of handling homosexuality, I'll be clear here Bioware fucking suck at it, the amount of 2 dimensional gay is stupid. Kanji in Persona 4 is the only well made gay character I've ever seen in a videogame, the torment he feels ove rhis sexuality and its perception in the society he lives is a true reflection of the worries of a teenager who is going through it, at least it seems correct (TV monsters and stuff aside)
As far as two girls being together, well I might spend a few seconds drooling before regaining composure.
I'd say the medium of videogames has a long way to go in terms of handling homosexuality, I'll be clear here Bioware fucking suck at it, the amount of 2 dimensional gay is stupid. Kanji in Persona 4 is the only well made gay character I've ever seen in a videogame, the torment he feels ove rhis sexuality and its perception in the society he lives is a true reflection of the worries of a teenager who is going through it, at least it seems correct (TV monsters and stuff aside)
Wasn't my point, but it gets annoying hearing about "THEIR SHOVING IT DOWN OUR THROATS!" When most if not all of media uses the stereotype of Gay people as a walking gag. "HO HO, its funny because hes high VOICED, HO HO!!" I understand the marketing, but mainly in RPGs it is nice to actually role play. I made a post on page 3 or so with all my points concisely made, and that will make more sense then, but after a while it gets annoying having to hear 'YOUR A SIN TO GOD' or 'YOUR IMMORAL AND RUINING OTHERS LIVES' constantly, while also have to deal with ridiculous stereotypes.Schwenkdawg said:the problem is that getting angry about bimbos in video games is, well...misplaced. their first job is to sell a product, and because most of their consumer base is straight males, the thing that will sell best is tig ol bitties. I doubt its as much the companies trying to make gay people uncomfortable than it is them just trying to appeal to the majority. Also, with straight people things get weird if they flaunt their sexuality in public (i'm not talking holding hands, im talking serious PDA status)Aprilgold said:*Sighs* I have to get this out again....Gorilla Gunk said:
Also, Escapist, I'm disappoint, repeating sterotypes is wwwrroonnnggg.... I thought you guys knew better then to resort to stereotypical steroytypes.
A quick sum up, go to page 3 for a more thought out post.
Not actually sure if we're supposed to be posting our gender and sexuality, but a lot of people seem to be, so what hell.
I'm a straight female.
As far homosexuality and bisexuality, I have zero problems with it whatsoever and believe it should be included in games as a choice for the player to do themselves, and maybe get hit on or asked about by gay/bi characters (granted, yes you should be able to say "No, I'm not interested." of course.) If people are freaked out by the concept of being hit on, (most notably guys seem to be the most immature about it), too frickin' bad, gay people exist, get over it. You should be flattered that someone finds you attractive not horrified, they aren't going to rape and skull-fuck you because they're gay or bi, just say no and move on.
As far transsexual characters, if they were already transitioned, passed and were living as their desired gender, you likely wouldn't know in the first place and it wouldn't even be mentioned. And if you put a stereotyped trans character where they obviously don't pass or even act appropriately like the gender they're living as, which is how you usually see the trans-people portrayed in the media, it would be straight up completely offensive. Overall, properly representing transsexuality in a video game would be extremely hard to pull off and be quite out of place most of the time.
If you focused on them before transition and some character who obviously didn't fit the particular gender they were assigned at birth, it would be rather strange as to why they're on some mission to save the world (which is what most game storylines boil down to at some point) in the first place, when they've got problems to sort out already. Not to mention if they did decide to ignore the issue and join the hero group anyway, it's unlikely they would bring it up out of nowhere and start unloading those personal problems onto the player anyway considering they're trying to save the world.
The only other scenario I can even think of that might even remotely work would be having a romantic interest who passes that the player can choose to flirt with and so forth. Eventually when things get serious into the physical contact zone, the character could tell you they're transgendered and ask if you're ok with that, which the player could respond to how they like. Although, that would most likely come across as some kind of cheap surprise ending or would likely draw way too many comparisons to The Crying Game. (Note that in this circumstance, the person would pass and you wouldn't know otherwise until they told you, which contrary to popular belief does in fact very much exist in real life. This would most likely also be someone who is post-op as well, so get those weird "dickgirl porn" ideas out of your head people. The chances of actually finding a trans-person who actively enjoys that is rather slim.)
Outside of that... There's also transvestite characters. Seeing as how transvestism is a sexual fetish, I'm not sure what purpose it would really serve and how you would even use it. The whole stereotype about a straight man dressing in gaudy women's clothing and wearing copious amounts of makeup because it turns him on is actually extremely accurate to real life. Although, I don't know how exactly you could make a situation were it would be handled in a "serious" manner unless the player had to go to a crossdressing bar or something, and even then, it just seems gimmicky or some sort of strange joke. Also, the downside is that a large portion of the general public doesn't have the slightest clue that transvestite and transsexual are two extremely different type of people and it would most likely not give any sort of positive effect for the transsexual community in the end, which it already does.
Only scenario I can even think of that is vaguely inspired by transvestism might be having various characters wearing certain types of clothing that is deemed inappropriate by society for their gender, or a male character wearing somewhat feminine makeup or something. These characters could be represented in the sense of just wearing whatever they feel like and potentially allowing the player to question the stereotypes of gender appropriate-dressing. However, that's not really enough to put into the actual transvestism demographic, and would be more simply pushing social boundaries, which could still be interesting, but it's not going to represent transvestites. As it is, a kilt being used in American culture is seen as pushing social gender boundaries, but that doesn't make Scottish men transvestites.
I'm a straight female.
As far homosexuality and bisexuality, I have zero problems with it whatsoever and believe it should be included in games as a choice for the player to do themselves, and maybe get hit on or asked about by gay/bi characters (granted, yes you should be able to say "No, I'm not interested." of course.) If people are freaked out by the concept of being hit on, (most notably guys seem to be the most immature about it), too frickin' bad, gay people exist, get over it. You should be flattered that someone finds you attractive not horrified, they aren't going to rape and skull-fuck you because they're gay or bi, just say no and move on.
As far transsexual characters, if they were already transitioned, passed and were living as their desired gender, you likely wouldn't know in the first place and it wouldn't even be mentioned. And if you put a stereotyped trans character where they obviously don't pass or even act appropriately like the gender they're living as, which is how you usually see the trans-people portrayed in the media, it would be straight up completely offensive. Overall, properly representing transsexuality in a video game would be extremely hard to pull off and be quite out of place most of the time.
If you focused on them before transition and some character who obviously didn't fit the particular gender they were assigned at birth, it would be rather strange as to why they're on some mission to save the world (which is what most game storylines boil down to at some point) in the first place, when they've got problems to sort out already. Not to mention if they did decide to ignore the issue and join the hero group anyway, it's unlikely they would bring it up out of nowhere and start unloading those personal problems onto the player anyway considering they're trying to save the world.
The only other scenario I can even think of that might even remotely work would be having a romantic interest who passes that the player can choose to flirt with and so forth. Eventually when things get serious into the physical contact zone, the character could tell you they're transgendered and ask if you're ok with that, which the player could respond to how they like. Although, that would most likely come across as some kind of cheap surprise ending or would likely draw way too many comparisons to The Crying Game. (Note that in this circumstance, the person would pass and you wouldn't know otherwise until they told you, which contrary to popular belief does in fact very much exist in real life. This would most likely also be someone who is post-op as well, so get those weird "dickgirl porn" ideas out of your head people. The chances of actually finding a trans-person who actively enjoys that is rather slim.)
Outside of that... There's also transvestite characters. Seeing as how transvestism is a sexual fetish, I'm not sure what purpose it would really serve and how you would even use it. The whole stereotype about a straight man dressing in gaudy women's clothing and wearing copious amounts of makeup because it turns him on is actually extremely accurate to real life. Although, I don't know how exactly you could make a situation were it would be handled in a "serious" manner unless the player had to go to a crossdressing bar or something, and even then, it just seems gimmicky or some sort of strange joke. Also, the downside is that a large portion of the general public doesn't have the slightest clue that transvestite and transsexual are two extremely different type of people and it would most likely not give any sort of positive effect for the transsexual community in the end, which it already does.
Only scenario I can even think of that is vaguely inspired by transvestism might be having various characters wearing certain types of clothing that is deemed inappropriate by society for their gender, or a male character wearing somewhat feminine makeup or something. These characters could be represented in the sense of just wearing whatever they feel like and potentially allowing the player to question the stereotypes of gender appropriate-dressing. However, that's not really enough to put into the actual transvestism demographic, and would be more simply pushing social boundaries, which could still be interesting, but it's not going to represent transvestites. As it is, a kilt being used in American culture is seen as pushing social gender boundaries, but that doesn't make Scottish men transvestites.