Liberal FACEPALM. According to recent discoveries, Obama is the Anti-Christ! Awkward...

[Escapefromwhatever]

Whether or not we think the person in the youtube video is wrong is our opinions. The person has a right to freedom of speech in this country. Their opinions may sound stupid but they still have every right to express them. Like how we have every right to express our opinions.

...True, but we have every right to say how fucking stupid what they're saying is. Also, when you threaten the President ("We didn't bring our guns THIS TIME"), the secret service might take a little notice of that, you know?

 

[A Weary Exile]

Honestly why can't we get someone who has balanced ideals when it comes to politics. Too much left or too much right just doesn't cut it.

I don't know--this looks pretty balanced to me:

This video made me love him again for being so smart about religious equality (I'm atheist though) I haven't had TV in while so I can't keep up with the news like I used to, I don't know what he's done lately.

I thank you, Cheese Pavillion.

 

[Cliff_m85]

FYI, universal health care=Good for everyone, because then EVERYONE GETS HEALTH CARE.

I think this is obvious.

Universal food providing = good for everyone, because everyone gets food.


The problem would be in who is providing anything, if they can actually provide it in a reasonable fashion, and if they won't be prone to corruption. Tell me honestly if you believe the government, who were beat badly by Walmart in terms of helping Hurricane Katrina victims, could provide this service or any other service that is 'universal' without corrupting it or fucking it up in some way.

Considering that Obama is nothing like Bush? Yes, I do believe that it is possible without it getting fucked up via corruption or other shit. Just look at Canada (FYI I am Canadian). Our universal health care works, it just needs to recover (like our military) from decades of Liberal funding cuts.

Wow, this is adorable! You think the president is the only one in charge. Awwww *pinches your cheek*. You're forgetting about Congress. Obama may be nothing like Bush, but Congress is everything like Congress.

 

[Alex_P]

The two-axis scheme you're describing is equally lacking.

You can have non-authoritarian "big government" -- that's basically where European socialist democracy is trending.

You can have authoritarian "small government" -- we call that "warlords".

I disagree, both of these could be placed along the authoritarian/small government axis. There aren't just the two extreme positions, after all.

They can't be placed along the same axis without losing a lot of descriptive power, since you're now equating two complete opposites. Which is the same complaint you had about the "left/right" model -- the way it mushes up libertarian and authoritarian ideals.

...

Now, just for fun, I'm going to argue that the warlord-state is the pinnacle of the modern GOP's "small government" philosophy: a local government that does nothing but maintain an army and occasionally violate your rights without due process.

-- Alex

 

[Robo-Penguin]

I can say this much, look up the Czars and their backgrounds if you want to see the political corruption our administration has going for it. I'll give you a preview of what to see
Ken Jennings(Safe School Czar): supporter of NAMBLA(north american man/boy love association)
Happy Readings!

 

[Skeleon]

They can't be placed along the same axis without losing a lot of descriptive power, since you're now equating two complete opposites. Which is the same complaint you had about the "left/right" model -- the way it mushes up libertarian and authoritarian ideals.

Why?

Non-authoritarian "big government" = democratic state with stronger government influence than libertarianism yet less than, say, authoritarian Communism. You can have a rather big government without turning authoritarian, therefore the position on the axis would have to be near the middle, slightly towards authoritarian.

How authoritarian "small government" is supposed to be = warlords I'm not sure. A warlord may literally have a small government but that's not what the term means. It means little interference by the state. And warlords tend to lead like despots, I wouldn't really call that "small government" to begin with.

Or are you argueing for the literal sense of big/small government here? Then I'd actually agree with you, though I'm not sure we'd need an extra axis just for that.

 

[A Weary Exile]

The irony being, the closest thing we have to fascists ARE the people calling Obama a fascist.

In the mainstream spotlight, our number one fascist is Glenn Beck. His various "projects", clumsy and stupid though they are, pretty much exactly mirror the pattern of fascist myth-making. I don't think he quite knows what he's doing here. But he's still doing it. And that's the thing -- the defining myth of fascism is the most fucking addictive story ever invented.

Man, America, we need some more real historians up in here!
(You can kinda see John Stewart doing double-duty on the Daily Show to try to popularize random popularly-accessible books about American history but that doesn't sell books nearly as well as fanfiction about the Founding Fathers does. The fundamental problem is that works of real scholarship, even when respun into amusing yarns, don't tend to make good comfort-food reading. Nor do they look as good on the shelf as a that book with Glenn dressed up as a Nazi on the cover.)

-- Alex

Spoiler: Heck, why even bother reading?

I like how the the two figures crying are the Union Army soldier and the Supreme Court justice next to the pregnant woman...

If it's too many words to fit on a sign, then it's just too many words to read at once!

In all seriousness, I agree--it's not a conscious move towards Fascism, it's backing into it blindly one Joe the Plumber at a time.

That picture is just a moron sundae with retard sprinkles.

 

[Lancer873]

People who seem to think our government is corrupt probably don't know much about the industrial revolution. The only thing I can agree with on the part of the people being interviewed in this video is a single person's comparison of Obama to Hitler, that being his fluency of speech doesn't necessarily make him a great leader. This is a true point, it's not his speeches that make him a good leader, it's his actions. Other than that, the rest is propaganda-fueled, busted by The Daily Show, mindless BS.
This is why I believe The Daily Show is one of the best political news shows out there, because they can afford to be a neutral, non-biased show. They utterly dismantled the idea of death panels, in fact, it was dismantled by a Conservative that was being interviewed on the show. How about that?

 

[lucaf]

People who seem to think our government is corrupt probably don't know much about the industrial revolution. The only thing I can agree with on the part of the people being interviewed in this video is a single person's comparison of Obama to Hitler, that being his fluency of speech doesn't necessarily make him a great leader. This is a true point, it's not his speeches that make him a good leader, it's his actions. Other than that, the rest is propaganda-fueled, busted by The Daily Show, mindless BS.
This is why I believe The Daily Show is one of the best political news shows out there, because they can afford to be a neutral, non-biased show. They utterly dismantled the idea of death panels, in fact, it was dismantled by a Conservative that was being interviewed on the show. How about that?

totally agree. obama makes a good speech, but will his actions live up to them? or up to his damn nobel prize. watever, hes better than mccain

 

[SomeBritishDude]

This is one of the most depressing things I have ever seen. Are people this dumb?

 

[axia777]

This is one of the most depressing things I have ever seen. Are people this dumb?

Yes, yes they are. If not stupid from birth then they are willfully stupid.

 

[Clashero]

Yes, God forbid Obama breaks the right-wingers' two-page-long rulebook by doing something SOCIALIST AND THEREFORE EVIL like bringing healthcare to those in need.

That little dose of sarcasm was brought to you by someone who doesn't like Obama at all.

Well, weren't you paying attention during the video?

According to Illiterate Redneck #44:

Socialism = Communism = Fascism

I fail to see the error in his thought.
ILLITERATE REDNECK #44 FUR PREZDENT!

What, you seriously don't see what's wrong with that? Did you even go to school?

I did go to school. Apparently your school failed to teach you the value of understanding sarcasm (specially when my previous comment was also, as stated, sarcastic)

 

[Cliff_m85]

FYI, universal health care=Good for everyone, because then EVERYONE GETS HEALTH CARE.

I think this is obvious.

Universal food providing = good for everyone, because everyone gets food.


The problem would be in who is providing anything, if they can actually provide it in a reasonable fashion, and if they won't be prone to corruption. Tell me honestly if you believe the government, who were beat badly by Walmart in terms of helping Hurricane Katrina victims, could provide this service or any other service that is 'universal' without corrupting it or fucking it up in some way.

Considering that Obama is nothing like Bush? Yes, I do believe that it is possible without it getting fucked up via corruption or other shit. Just look at Canada (FYI I am Canadian). Our universal health care works, it just needs to recover (like our military) from decades of Liberal funding cuts.

Wow, this is adorable! You think the president is the only one in charge. Awwww *pinches your cheek*. You're forgetting about Congress. Obama may be nothing like Bush, but Congress is everything like Congress.

Aw, how adorable! The little 6-year-old wants in on the big kids' discussion!

Y'know a little something, called "democracy"? That's where you elect representatives to a nationwide forum. In your case, to your Congress. Those representatives are also looked after by a certain organization you call the "Central Intelligence Agency", and another one you call the "Federal Bureau of Investigation", whose job it is to make sure your politicians aren't awarding illegal special favours.

Sure, there's corruption, but it's kept in check behind the scenes, and using it as an argument against Universal Health Care is ignoring the many levels of anti-corruption your government has in place. Again, I'm just gonna point at my own country, Canada, and OUR Universal Health Care, and how well it works (well, worked, until the Grits fucked it up).

If you believe that the corruption of the government is kept under check then I have a beautiful house to sell you in the great American state of Bleomvemter.

 

[Gebi10000]

aha yes the good old redution ad hitlarum. if hitler did it , it's bad.oldest one in the book since 1945.

OT: Republican redneeks are a product of rightwing media.i've seen american television a few times, and from that I've realised, that most news staions don't give you information, thay give you an oppinion.Thay slowly turn people into mind controled sheep, who abide by thier wishes.the process is begining in germany too, to my dismay.

 

[ottenni]

I loved the part were Obama was pictured with a Hitler mustache. Ahh Hitler, everybody forgets his horrible crimes of creating health care.

And i was raking them seriously until i noticed none of them new what they were talking about (taking into account those that did were probably cut out of the video).

Oh and communists and fascists are totally the same, yeah.

Fascism and communism do have a lot in common. Fascism is commonly misconceived as being an extreme right wing movement, when its more effective to name it as being a combination of the best parts of socialism and capitalism; this was how it was originally devised to be in Italy, something that Mussolini even said in many of his speeches.

Still, to have knowledge of this would require one to have studied the subject (something i am actually doing right now), and it is extremely clear that the people in this video have no idea what they are talking about and are just talking bullshit.

Well ill take your word for it, i was thinking of it as fascism as a style of government and communism as a set of ideas. But i could be wrong.

 

[Nmil-ek]

Wait, was one of those women holding a sign that said "Stop global warming - gag liberal politicians"?

I beleive she was insinuating that they are full of hot air or gas... that or I am giving her far too much credit for creativity and its a random sentance that just happens to be quite clever in one interpretation.

 

[Durahan2]

Honestly why can't we get someone who has balanced ideals when it comes to politics. Too much left or too much right just doesn't cut it.

I don't know--this looks pretty balanced to me:

I was speaking in general.