Libyan woman who claimed rape release, is prostititute? o.O?
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as bad as rape is, i'm still perplexed by the bash.org quote "if you rape a prostitute, does it count as shop-lifiting?" i'm against rape, but it still makes you kinda stop n go "huh..." anyways, i'm gonna be destroyed for this comment i'm pretty sure, but thats ok, it's not a funny topic, but i make jokes anyways :X
She's either a prostitute who slept with a load of soldiers and is working for the rebels in an attempt to further smear the reputation of the Colonel's forces and turn civilians against him or her story is true.
But there's nothing I can do about it, either way. I'm not a soldier, law-maker, general, politician, rich or influential.
But there's nothing I can do about it, either way. I'm not a soldier, law-maker, general, politician, rich or influential.
It depends, some jurisdictions are increasingly allowing "rape by fraud" to be prosecuted as rape. So in parts of the U.S., it would be rape.[footnote]http://www.law.northwestern.edu/lawreview/v101/n1/75/LR101n1Christopher.pdf[/footnote]ravensheart18 said:
For those who are interested:
there's a wikipedia entry with more background information, several referances and video footage by now
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iman_al-Obeidi
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/03/201132617491827374.html
there's a wikipedia entry with more background information, several referances and video footage by now
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iman_al-Obeidi
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/03/201132617491827374.html
First of all, YES, she has a right to complain about being raped. She has a right to see those bastards arrested and their **censored by the Libyan government** to a tree!emeraldrafael said:
Secondly, YES, she has a right to complain about her honor. First, as has been pointed out, the Libyan government isn't exactly a trustworthy body. We have no idea if she really was a prostitute. But even if she was, that still doesn't mean she should be disrespected or violated. She certainly didn't sign up to be gang-raped by 15 men and have them go to the bathroom on her.
By the way, OP, if you think that a woman's honor is her virginity (or chastity), then I'd like to ask what time machine you used to get here from Victorian England.
Edit: Wait, what's the "rape by fraud" crap? They didn't say "hey, hooker, will you have sex with us?" and then not pay her. They kidnapped her and raped her, entirely against her will. Prostitute or nun, that's still rape.
Plus, it's not like every prostitute takes every job they're offered. It's entirely possible she was propositioned by the group of men and she turned them down.this isnt my name said:
The problem here is that it's near impossible to tell whether or not she's lying. Did the militiamen actually abduct and rape her? Did they offer her money and not pay? Did they actually pay her for services she agreed to give? As the report says:
In all of those cases, she had sex with those men... but the circumstances leading up to the sex are what matter. We'll probably never know for sure.
Well, seeing as how its Culture there, I would imagine I dont need a time machine. I'm pretty sure there have been quite a few threads about how Japan's honor has stopped all this crime over there and no one's said that that honor is an old idea that shouldnt be held anymore.Bara_no_Hime said:
Yes...what did you think it was a sketchy morally grey area? If they abused her in this terrible way (not unlikely) then they should be punished regardless of her profession. Remember we all pay for sex at least hookers are honest about the price...that said she may not even be a prostitute you see in politics they have these things called smear campaigns, or to the layman they're making her seem dishonest and wrong in order to justify their acts...if said acts occurred.emeraldrafael said:
**blinks**emeraldrafael said:
I never said there was anything wrong with honor! I said that, if you believe my (or any other woman's) honor is connected somehow to my (/her) vagina, that you were clearly from Victorian England.
And thats how honor is judged there? When you judge honor, you judge on society. So tell me where I'm wrong, when I say she loses the right to talk about honor when SOCIETY judges honor by virginity?Bara_no_Hime said:
My hang up is on the Honor part of society (I know the west wants to change the world, but really, things like societal views should be left alone), and mainly how she refuses to have it backed up.ZydrateDealer said:
I know the Libyan Government is corrupt and in need of change at the moment, I really do. But its these sorta things that justify war, because then its fighting for the people, where now its fighting for the idea of freedom.
Must have missed that particular passage, all the bling bling kind of blinded me.liquidangry said:
Good luck finding a judge who'll agree to that legal qualification...Littlee300 said:
Beating up a boxer outside the ring is violence too, not a free surprise training session.
Are you telling me, or asking me a question?emeraldrafael said:
You asked if she had the right. She certainly has the right - she didn't choose to be raped, pissed, and crapped on (seriously, ick).emeraldrafael said:
Also, I questioned if YOU could say that being a prostitute said she had no honor. She certainly believes she has honor - who are you to say she doesn't?
You seem awfully keen on this idea that she somehow deserved this. I remain offended and shocked that you would even ask such a thing. Does she have a right to be upset about being raped? Seriously? It disgusts me that you can even ask that question.
Saying that rape of prostitutes is okay is like saying that murdering a professional fighter by beating them to death is okay.
I look at her through society. I also look at her and say she cant because:Bara_no_Hime said:
-No one can verify (I'll give you that one, thats a coverup, maybe)
-Society dictates she has no say, and the fact that she decided to burst into a news conference is suspicious
-Show wont follow up with examination.
The last one is the biggest one, as soon as she does, then I'll reconsider. Facts, not hersey. As someone who's both been involved and through a legal system at one point or anoher, facts are the importance.
Stop looking at this from the western perspective, if you do, you're imposing bias and western rule on the country.
And I never said she deserved it, but how reputable and in a job profession if she can complain about honor, when her job details she gave that up. She can be upset, and I'd be more worried if she wasnt. But I dont want to see a war start with this woman as the poster child, watch friends who would most certainly have relatives go into that country and die only to later find out she was wrong, and martyrdom was for nothing.
