Lies they teach you in HIstory class

[dwightsteel]

Yea, I think I remember something about that. Also,in the US we claim that WWII started in 1941 when Europe puts the date at 1939,while Hitler gained power even before that.

Actually some people argue that world war 2 started in 1933. Japan was invading china, itlay was invading Abysinnia and Hitler was coming into power.

But claiming that world war 2 didnt start until 1941 is plain lies. Just because America wasnt involved till then dosent mean it want a world war. Do American schools teach that world war one started in 1916 as thats when they joined? Why claim different for number 2?

Ok, I think there is a big misunderstanding here. I'm not sure how many schools in the US actually teach that the War started with Pearl Harbor, but I'm willing to bet that it's not a lot. I do agree that there are some pretty ludicrous things in our textbooks that they try to pass off as "truths", but I feel fairly confident that this isn't one of them. Even my outdated textbook, back when I was still roaming the halls, talk about the Nazi invasion of Poland as the defining catalyst (and I know that this is something that is heavily debated on this thread as well, but it's less wrong then what I think the majority is being taught).

Of course, I could be wrong, and if any Americans on here have been taught that the war started with Pearl Harbor, please correct me. But American history classes aren't as backward as you seem to think.

 

[Rigs83]

Umm, Lie one is wrong. They are left and right wing, they're just opposite in names and methods. Just because they have a couple of similarities doesn't mean they're not opposites (for example they're both governments!) Edit: If you don't agree with this comment please read the elaboration further down before commenting.
Lie two is also wrong. Europe was under soviet yoke for longer than just stalin, and even so 'better' is not something that can be measured in body counts. Also you're forgetting perspective, it was better for say Jews bacuase just about anything was better than the nazi's.
I was never taught 3 or 4 so I'll keep quiet on them.

Few communist states are actual communist states but really police states (China and Soviet era Russia, some may say it still is) or run by a cult of personality (China under Mao, North Korea and to lesser extant Cuba) so mankind has no actually seen a true workers' states.

Stalin was never a friend of the Jewish people and was more than happy to imprison the Bolsheviks, many of which was Jewish, in gulags in Siberia. One lesser evil is still an evil.

As for inflation, governments can't control the stupidity of very smart people playing with other peoples' money or thieves who have no soul. Plus every once in a while nations' like to kill of some of it's people in giant dick waving contests called war.

 

[Pimppeter2]

I don't know what class you all are takeing, but I've heard both sides of everyone of these lies in class

I also bet you went to a smaller high school, and your teachers knew your name.

Nope, bug public high school. But I'm in AP History, the equivalent of a college course here in the states. So I guess your kinda right, my classes where generally smaller than that of the regular and advance classes.

 

[dwightsteel]

I don't know what class you all are takeing, but I've heard both sides of everyone of these lies in class

I also bet you went to a smaller high school, and your teachers knew your name.

Nope, bug public high school. But I'm in AP History, the equivalent of a college course here in the states. So I guess your kinda right, my classes where generally smaller than that of the regular and advance classes.

That was really my point. I myself went to a small high school, and the teachers were really involved with the students, and had some really creative lesson plans. But I've attended classes at much bigger schools where outdated textbooks are the bibles to some of these teachers.

 

[EisBaron]

Depending on which side of the Mason Dixon you're on, the North may or may not have won the civil war...

 

[jackbriggs18]

Another Lie: The Tudors are interresting.

 

[Pimppeter2]

I don't know what class you all are takeing, but I've heard both sides of everyone of these lies in class

I also bet you went to a smaller high school, and your teachers knew your name.

Nope, bug public high school. But I'm in AP History, the equivalent of a college course here in the states. So I guess your kinda right, my classes where generally smaller than that of the regular and advance classes.

That was really my point. I myself went to a small high school, and the teachers were really involved with the students, and had some really creative lesson plans. But I've attended classes at much bigger schools where outdated textbooks are the bibles to some of these teachers.

God some of those teachers! You wouldn't belive my luck with english teachers...

 

[Bigeyez]

Wow seems like you guys were in some backwards ass schools...a lot of people who don't really know anything are spewing nonsense all over this thread. -.-

To the op. Some of your "lies" are opinions and therefore not lies. Lie number 3 is just outright wrong though. As long as money exist inflation exists with it. Backing it by a standard doesn't stop inflation.

3 years of high school history should have gone over all these topics. Looks like some people weren't paying attention in class =p

Also about number 4. The civil war was fought because the south didn't want to lose it's cheap labor force. They didn't want the gov't deciding how they should run their lives and in order to protect their way of life they tried to break away from the U.S. In the Unions point of view this was not a civil war but a revolt which they set out to put down.

Yes while the war wasn't fought because of people wanting to set slaves free it was still started because of slavery. Without slavery the south had no valid reason to try to secede.

 

[londelen]

Japans sneak attack at pearl harbour, the US govt had already cracked the Japanese embassies code, and new what the ambassador was going to deliver a declaration of war, on the day of an attack, so Roosevelt had him stood up in the waiting room out side his office for 6 hours!! until confirmation of the attack came thru, he then railled against their cowardly undeclared attack.

The United States even diverted their own navy from stopping the Japanese. And then threw them under the bus when it came time to blame who in power could've but didn't stop this.


EDIT: Actually, my history teachers were pretty cool guys. Eh told the truth about history and didn't afraid of anything. The Pearl Harbor bit was something that some of my friends WERE taught though, so I just thought I'd post that added bit.

EDIT #2: Not really a lie, but nobody ever brings up in history class about how Hawaii became a state.

 

[Syntax Error]

Christopher Columbus didn't fucking discover North America. He thought he was in the Indies south of Asia. The first people from Europe to discover North America were the Vikings.

And the person whose name America is derived from is Amerigo Vespucci.

 

[Manji187]

The history that is taught in the Western 'civilised' world bears a remarkably Anglo-American signature. IMO it really started after WWII with the Allied Forces claiming to have won the war (you know D-Day and all). Well, Great Britain, France and the United States stepped in when most of the work was already done.

The Russians have been fighting Hitler since 1941, they were marching towards Berlin when the Allied Forces performed the landing at Normandy.

So yeah, the Allied forces dealt the decisive blow. But roughly 80% of the effort came from Russia, who was fighting the war single-handedly until 1944.

When somebody finishes the work you started and have been working on for a long time..does that person have the bragging rights as if he did the whole thing by himself? Don't try to answer that...it's a rhetorical question (you already know the correct answer).

 

[Bigeyez]

The history that is taught in the Western 'civilised' world bears a remarkably Anglo-American signature. IMO it really started after WWII with the Allied Forces claiming to have won the war (you know D-Day and all). Well, Great Britain, France and the United States stepped in when most of the work was already done.

The Russians have been fighting Hitler since 1941, they were marching towards Berlin when the Allied Forces performed the landing at Normandy.

So yeah, the Allied forces dealt the decisive blow. But roughly 80% of the effort came from Russia, who was fighting the war single-handedly until 1944.

When somebody finishes the work you started and have been working on for a long time..does that person have the bragging rights as if he did the whole thing by himself? Don't try to answer that...it's a rhetorical question (you already know the correct answer).

The Russians were losing very badly, begging the rest of the allies to open up a second front. US and Britain finally doing so coupled with the failure in German strategy is what let the Russians slowly push the Germans back. That and your statements about how England, and France just jumped in are wrong to begin with; hell they are ironic actually when you consider the Russians were simply watching the war happen at the begining.

It was a join effort. Saying any one country did everything is completely wrong and ignorant.

 

[londelen]

American students are taught that the war of 1812 never happened. That is bullcrap, their whitehouse got burned down and they don't want to admit it.

American textbooks state that the war of 1812 happened, Teachers just leave that out.

Dude we spent like a week on it. Was pretty awesome.

 

[PedroSteckecilo]

Here's a good one,

Emperor Nero, the grand villain of Christian History, was likely NOT as bad as he was made out to be. His behavior was a little outrageous (declaring himself a god and all) but his overall policy towards the common people of Rome was quite popular, it was just the nobility that hated him and one of the most common methods of slander in Ancient Rome was to accuse someone of Gross Sexual Deviancy. There's also the whole Persecution of Christians thingy, which means that he was villified even further come the ascension of Christianity.

 

[Kazturkey]

Lie 1 is wrong, although at post 3, lie 2 is correct. Stalin killed MANY more people than hitler. And religion was totally banned under soviet russia, so the jews were also oppressed.