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dwightsteel

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lostclause said:
Verbose said:
Personally, I find the idea abhorrent. There's nothing that irritates me more than people vehemently claiming that the best government is no government, especially if they're relying on people not being raging dickholes for it to work. And I'm well aware you didn't say any of this, Armitage Shanks (love the reference, by the by) but I felt it was a point that needed elaboration.
Maybe a night watchman state is more to your tastes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Watchmen_State
It's as nice sounding as communism, except the flaw becomes the same: when one person or faction begins to skew the intent of the idea to meet their own ends, then starts working towards something else. In this case, I believe best case scenario would probably be a Junta.
 

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My Religious Education teacher also taught my class History, which led to many MANY bias opinions on his part when it came to the justification of various wars etc. I guess it could be argued that he wasn't "lying" to us, but it was certainly misleading.
 

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Lie: Holocaust was the greatest genocide in Eearth's history. The fact is that the greatest genocide was performed by Americans, against the native americans.
This isn't true. At least it's not provable. Firstly, one of the first mainstream critics to lay this claim was a guy by the name of David Stannard. He threw out these wild numbers (something like 100 million Native Americans slain), without a shred of demographic proof. And even he admitted, that the widespread death of many Native American peoples was predominately because of diseases that the indigenous peoples didn't have antibodies to fight. Not to mention, genocide, by it's stictest definition is a crime of intent, and few people think it was the European agenda to kill all of the natives. In fact, most of the killing happened in isolated battles as opposed to an all encompassing death march.

Historian Stafford Poole said it best: "There are other terms to describe what happened in the Western Hemisphere, but genocide is not one of them. It is a good propaganda term in an age where slogans and shouting have replaced reflection and learning, but to use it in this context is to cheapen both the word itself and the appalling experiences of the Jews and Armenians, to mention but two of the major victims of this century."
 

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dwightsteel said:
It's as nice sounding as communism, except the flaw becomes the same: when one person or faction begins to skew the intent of the idea to meet their own ends, then starts working towards something else. In this case, I believe best case scenario would probably be a Junta.
Agreed to an extent, I was just making a suggestion. Personally I think that lack of regulation is not a good idea, but that's just my opinion.
 

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Communism is communist. Facism is capitalist. That's what we're on about. The term communism is just describing how a country runs its economy

Also, WWII didn't end against Germany until 1990. in 1945 Germany didn't exist as one country, it was split up by the 4 allied countries. The fall of the Berlin Wall started the German reunification, which finished in 1990, thus the war against Germany could end, and did.
 

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lostclause said:
dwightsteel said:
It's as nice sounding as communism, except the flaw becomes the same: when one person or faction begins to skew the intent of the idea to meet their own ends, then starts working towards something else. In this case, I believe best case scenario would probably be a Junta.
Agreed to an extent, I was just making a suggestion. Personally I think that lack of regulation is not a good idea, but that's just my opinion.
I wasn't demeriting the idea, just letting my cynicism for mankind seep through. And I agree, I think regulation is crucial to mankind living happy, healthy lives. Mankind wouldn't survive without it.
 

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dwightsteel said:
I wasn't demeriting the idea, just letting my cynicism for mankind seep through. And I agree, I think regulation is crucial to mankind living happy, healthy lives. Mankind wouldn't survive without it.
Again, agreed to an extent although there are small anarchic groups that manage to get along all right. I think that a group mentality is key for this kind of thing to work since you're less willing to act against people you know well.
 

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My SOSE teacher (SOSE= History + Geography + Humanities) tried to tell me Whale Sharks are whales, and that Hitler was from Germany (I think she was dumbing it down, but that's no excuse.) I pray we never look at the Cuban revolution, Che Guevara might wind up being Mexican.
 

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lostclause said:
dwightsteel said:
I wasn't demeriting the idea, just letting my cynicism for mankind seep through. And I agree, I think regulation is crucial to mankind living happy, healthy lives. Mankind wouldn't survive without it.
Again, agreed to an extent although there are small anarchic groups that manage to get along all right. I think that a group mentality is key for this kind of thing to work since you're less willing to act against people you know well.
Except having a group mentality indicates structure, which is counter intuitive to the idea of true anarchy. To have rules, unwritten or otherwise, is government in it's purest form.
 

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Nazism (National Socialism) and Communism are closely related, although did often hate each other.
...that the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens... the abolition of all incomes unearned by work... the ruthless confiscation of all war profits? the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations... profit-sharing in large enterprises... extensive development of insurance for old-age... land reform suitable to our national requirements...
Who said that? Not the Communists, that was an excert from the 25 Point Programme, by the Nazis.
So while they where not exactly the same, they are related.
 

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lostclause said:
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Here's another.
World War one didn't end until 1919.
which also throws out the 'fact' that 1919 was supposed to be the only year when there wasn't a war :|
Yea, I think I remember something about that. Also,in the US we claim that WWII started in 1941 when Europe puts the date at 1939,while Hitler gained power even before that.
Have you been to a history class? 41 was when the US joined the war, not when it started. It started in 39 when Britain declared war on Germany after they invaded Poland. Hitler gaining power was not the beginning of WW2, he was elected long before (33 as I've been informed)
To be honest there is no true starting point. The second world war is usually seen as starting in 1939, however some people believe it started as early as 1931 with the Japanese invasion of Manchuria (China). War in Europe did not start till 1939 and then war across the world was shortly followed, mainly due to the European empires going to war and eventually the introduction of america on 7th December 1941... with the Japanese bombing of pearl harbour..
 

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The first american president was Peyton Randolph.

Britians first prime minister was Sir Henry Campbell-Bannermen.
 

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Thanksgiving is a holiday where we celebrate all the help given to us by Native Americans.
PARADOXICALLY we either put them on reservations, caused most of them to die, or just open-mindedly slaughtered them all.

O_O Yeah, I'm freaking proud of my country.
 

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The thing about communism and facism being the same thats bullshit, true communism is vastly different from facism. The reason I can see you getting confused is that during WW2 both types were lead by ruthless leaders. Communism is a re-distribution of wealth so that everyone is given the same. I'll use Canada as an example we have universal health care and welfare (not the only country to have these). These are traits you'd see in a communist country because everyone given the same. While with facism.. ahh hell just wiki it.
 

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Christopher Columbus Discovered America. The fact that people where living here and Norse seamen had arrived in what is today Canada before him or that China may have sent an expedition before that don't count.

America is always the good guys.

America was civilized by the colonist who traveled west and set up farms and other industries.
 

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PatientGrasshopper said:
Lie #1
Communism and Fascism are opposites. The truth is they are both totalitarian governments run by dictators who oppose individuality. In fact the Nazis were the National Socialist German Worker'S Party.
Lie #2
Europe was better under Stalin than Hitler. The fact is Stalin was responsible for more deaths in Europe than Hitler was.
Lie #3
Inflation is a natural process of the Economy. The truth is inflation can be avoided or at the very least minimized if the Government didn't continue to over mint money and if we actually had money that was backed by something.
Lie #4
The civil war was fought primarily over slavery. The fact is, although slavery was on issue,the main one was state's rights vs. Federal power. If the main focus was slavery than states like Maryland, Kentucky, and Missouri would have joined the South, they had slaves and were Northern states, and additionally the Emancipation Proclamation didn't apply to them.
I was never taught 1 and 2, my global studies teacher even taught us the similarities between Communism and Fascism (7 across, cookie if you get the reference), 4 is probably the biggest one on the list that most Americans can agree with.



Cama Zots said:
Lie #6
The USA didn't defeat Soviet Russia.
You're right, it was mostly Gorbachev's fault. He opened up a veritable can of worms without necessarily meaning to.
 

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I don't know what class you all are takeing, but I've heard both sides of everyone of these lies in class
 

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PatientGrasshopper said:
Yea, I think I remember something about that. Also,in the US we claim that WWII started in 1941 when Europe puts the date at 1939,while Hitler gained power even before that.
Actually some people argue that world war 2 started in 1933. Japan was invading china, itlay was invading Abysinnia and Hitler was coming into power.

But claiming that world war 2 didnt start until 1941 is plain lies. Just because America wasnt involved till then dosent mean it want a world war. Do American schools teach that world war one started in 1916 as thats when they joined? Why claim different for number 2?
 

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pimppeter2 said:
I don't know what class you all are takeing, but I've heard both sides of everyone of these lies in class
I also bet you went to a smaller high school, and your teachers knew your name.