its getting hot in here, woo. you people should just go argue on Wikipedia, at least you'll ruin some 6th graders history report by editing your "corrections" and get something out of these "discussions"
Lies they teach you in HIstory class
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Lie #1
Communism and Fascism are opposites. The truth is they are both totalitarian governments run by dictators who oppose individuality. In fact the Nazis were the National Socialist German Worker'S Party.
Mmm... Never heard this one. they aren't opposites, but they aren't the same. Fascism is where a single party asserts itself as the best and suppresses any criticism of itself or its members. Communisim is a kind-of pholosophy that there are no classes, no ownership, shared resources and labor. Just because a party names itself something doesn't really mean anything. It's the "People's Republic of China" and the "Free People of North Korea".
Lie #2
Europe was better under Stalin than Hitler. The fact is Stalin was responsible for more deaths in Europe than Hitler was.
Also never heard this one exactly. I heard that they both sucked pretty bad.
Lie #3
Inflation is a natural process of the Economy. The truth is inflation can be avoided or at the very least minimized if the Government didn't continue to over mint money and if we actually had money that was backed by something.
Never heard in a history class... Inflation isn't just determined by how much money is in circulation. If a country produces (EDIT) less (shouldn't write so late), but keeps the same amount of currency in circulation, there will be less (EDIT again) gross product per dollar, thus a lessened value per dollar. It does happen naturally, but yes, it can be mitigated. Floods happen naturally, and if you don't lay sand bags, they suck worse, but that doesn't make them less "natural".
Lie #4
The civil war was fought primarily over slavery. The fact is, although slavery was on issue,the main one was state's rights vs. Federal power. If the main focus was slavery than states like Maryland, Kentucky, and Missouri would have joined the South, they had slaves and were Northern states, and additionally the Emancipation Proclamation didn't apply to them.
This I agree with, and I think it's pretty funny, actually. Yes, slavery was bad, yes, the "North" wanted to abolish it, yes, the "South" didn't. The main problem was that the South was under-represented or not given equal consideration. It was about legislation without representation. The slavery issue was a symptom of the cause. This is like how some people say that the revolutionary war was about tea taxes. It wasn't about tea taxes, it was about how the colonies had no say over the taxes imposed upon them. Taxation without representation. Really, the civil war is probably what would have happened if the colonies lost the revolutionary war.
The lie about the United States founded on Christianity, meh. I do agree with the point that Christians aren't the only people with morals. I think with the references in much of the founding fathers' literature, it's safe to assume that at least most of them were.
Related, separation of church and state. It does not mean that they should be completely removed one from the other, let alone always opposed. The point was to avoid a system where a church position came with a political postion, or vice-versa. Like the church of England King=Pope situation. It is so that a church figure cannot gain control of the government, or that a government figure can control a chruch (by virtue of the related positions). It doesn't mean that religious elements can't be observed in government.
Communism and Fascism are opposites. The truth is they are both totalitarian governments run by dictators who oppose individuality. In fact the Nazis were the National Socialist German Worker'S Party.
Mmm... Never heard this one. they aren't opposites, but they aren't the same. Fascism is where a single party asserts itself as the best and suppresses any criticism of itself or its members. Communisim is a kind-of pholosophy that there are no classes, no ownership, shared resources and labor. Just because a party names itself something doesn't really mean anything. It's the "People's Republic of China" and the "Free People of North Korea".
Lie #2
Europe was better under Stalin than Hitler. The fact is Stalin was responsible for more deaths in Europe than Hitler was.
Also never heard this one exactly. I heard that they both sucked pretty bad.
Lie #3
Inflation is a natural process of the Economy. The truth is inflation can be avoided or at the very least minimized if the Government didn't continue to over mint money and if we actually had money that was backed by something.
Never heard in a history class... Inflation isn't just determined by how much money is in circulation. If a country produces (EDIT) less (shouldn't write so late), but keeps the same amount of currency in circulation, there will be less (EDIT again) gross product per dollar, thus a lessened value per dollar. It does happen naturally, but yes, it can be mitigated. Floods happen naturally, and if you don't lay sand bags, they suck worse, but that doesn't make them less "natural".
Lie #4
The civil war was fought primarily over slavery. The fact is, although slavery was on issue,the main one was state's rights vs. Federal power. If the main focus was slavery than states like Maryland, Kentucky, and Missouri would have joined the South, they had slaves and were Northern states, and additionally the Emancipation Proclamation didn't apply to them.
This I agree with, and I think it's pretty funny, actually. Yes, slavery was bad, yes, the "North" wanted to abolish it, yes, the "South" didn't. The main problem was that the South was under-represented or not given equal consideration. It was about legislation without representation. The slavery issue was a symptom of the cause. This is like how some people say that the revolutionary war was about tea taxes. It wasn't about tea taxes, it was about how the colonies had no say over the taxes imposed upon them. Taxation without representation. Really, the civil war is probably what would have happened if the colonies lost the revolutionary war.
The lie about the United States founded on Christianity, meh. I do agree with the point that Christians aren't the only people with morals. I think with the references in much of the founding fathers' literature, it's safe to assume that at least most of them were.
Related, separation of church and state. It does not mean that they should be completely removed one from the other, let alone always opposed. The point was to avoid a system where a church position came with a political postion, or vice-versa. Like the church of England King=Pope situation. It is so that a church figure cannot gain control of the government, or that a government figure can control a chruch (by virtue of the related positions). It doesn't mean that religious elements can't be observed in government.
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In my Poli Sci classes, I was always taught that Fascism was the extreme right end of the scale and that communism was the extreme left. As to totalitarianism vs. anarchism, ok, imagine an X/Y grid intead of a continuum. Lika so....
Anarchism
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Communism ---------------------------- Fascism
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Totalitarianism
In this model, totalitarianism isn't exclusive to either. In their purest forms, communism is only concerned with the needs of the whole, fascism, the rights of the individual. Anarchism is the complete absence of governmental control. While totalitarianism is a government that has complete control of every facet of life.
Be gentle, the burn cream I pre-applied is only good for one or two flammings.
(Crap, my home made graph didn't work. Either way, I think you people catch my drift.)
In my Poli Sci classes, I was always taught that Fascism was the extreme right end of the scale and that communism was the extreme left. As to totalitarianism vs. anarchism, ok, imagine an X/Y grid intead of a continuum. Lika so....
Anarchism
I
I
I
I
Communism ---------------------------- Fascism
I
I
I
I
Totalitarianism
In this model, totalitarianism isn't exclusive to either. In their purest forms, communism is only concerned with the needs of the whole, fascism, the rights of the individual. Anarchism is the complete absence of governmental control. While totalitarianism is a government that has complete control of every facet of life.
Be gentle, the burn cream I pre-applied is only good for one or two flammings.
(Crap, my home made graph didn't work. Either way, I think you people catch my drift.)
Technically speaking, he never landed in North America. He landed in nice, tropical spots that North America didn't even associate with till later. At best, it could be said he landed in Central and/or South America. That and he was an idiot, thief, and murdering asshole.magnuslion said:
You must have had some terrible history courses...I already knew all of this stuff, in better wording, and it was taught to me correctly.
Awesome. Technically, yes, Native Americans "found" North America first.Jenkins said:wrong. the first people to find north America were native AmericansTaborMallory said:im nitpicking haha
Erik the Red, and his kid, Leif Erikson, were, as far as I remember, the first to discover North America. Well, Greenland, Iceland, and Newfoundland (mmm... original naming).
Another "lie" they were Norse (i.e. Scandanavian). "Viking" is derived from the verb "to go on an expedition", and the noun only refers to the explorer/warriors themselves, not the whole race.
Jenkins said:TaborMallory said:
wrong.
the first people to find north America were native Americans
im nitpicking haha
Nitpicking fail.magnuslion said:
Ok this is kinda bad with out of context quoting but just to check your facts neither Stalin or ever "owned" they occupied certain parts of it for certain times but they never owned or ruled or governed over it.PatientGrasshopper said:
Also Communism and Socialism are 2 completely different things that would be a lie some people are either taught or have come to believe.
Yes, true but compared to ho it work no here the government print money at will in unlimited supply, gold i a limited resources and so any inflation would be far less than that caused by the indefinite printing of money.Cheeze_Pavilion said:
I think that is a good point however, my original assertion was more about Communism and Fascism not being opposite. In practice they are very similar.Agayek said:
I think you got it right there, he was fighting in the allies side so he was the good guy, but lest we forget,initially he made a deal with Hitler.Robert0288 said:
No, first of all, in about 1920 there was a crash and it was largely ignored and just let it be and it was eventually fixed on its own, then when the Great depression came,Hoover, followed by FDR tried to interfere and FDR's New Deal prolonged the depression. Also, the point about how if we went back to the gold standard it would be less than the money we have just goes to show how out of hand inflation has gotten.TheSunshineHobo said:
You are correct, initially when the US was formed the states joined on the condition that they could leave if they wanted. Then the Constitution was written and although it never explicitly stated that anymore, the 10th amendment says that anything not stated in the Constitution is up to the states, and since it is not prohibited it is up to the states to decide.Agayek said:
Dirty Apple said:
Fixed it, Acually Communisim isn't really a Political location, Collectivism is pure Communisim, Facism isn't really a good Example, This is the Govermental political compass, You can see that the compass really shows the corlation between leaders and political posions, There are subsections and whatnot, But Basicly is not "Left and Right" Its more x/y as you put but it's a little different
Richard the lionheart was a terrible king who spent most of his reign in prison or wasting so many lives failing to take jarusalem, his brother john however was a very good king and not a maniacal dictator obsessed with money...