Linux users help me out.

[Evil Smurf]

I am considering getting a laptop like this: https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/gazp8 I have no problem with Linux but if I am going to use it primarily I will need to know a few things.

1) I have an itunes account, I buy music, movies and apps for my ipod touch with itunes. Is there a way I can use itunes with linux or is there an alternative which lets me buy music, movies and apps for IOS devices and lets me sync IOS devices with Linux?

2) I have the CS5 suite, is there a way of running it in Linux short of Duel booting/emulating OSX/Windows and installing from there?

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1) I plan to buy music on my ipod

EDIT

Laptops I am thinking of are found here http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.392237-Poll-MSI-GE60-v-ASUS-N56-R501VZ-S4177S

Mod Edit: Due to the nature of this thread, it has been moved to the Advice Forum.

 

[Evil Smurf]

okay, so no one uses Linux here?

 

[aba1]

I would help ya but ironically I have been having troubles today installing ubuntu since I wanted to try out linux myself as a OS.

 

[evilneko]

Ask on ubuntu forums if that crap runs under wine.

Other than that you could run it in a Windows VM I guess. That thing has a shit video card though. Most laptops do though. Might ought to get one with an nvidia or ATI GPU.

Wubi can help you here. http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/windows-installer

 

[Penguinis Weirdus]

You might wanna check if itunes and Photoshop suite runs under wine otherwise you're gonna need a to run them in a Virtual Machine running windows or Dual boot.

If you need more help PM, I'm not quite a guru but I can probs help with most small problems

If you need a guide to installing/running a VM with Virtualbox check here

If you're gonna dual-boot (I would recommend playing with it first in a VM though) you can use Unetbootin to create a 'live CD' which allows you to play with the distro before installing it which is available here
Also which Distro are you looking at I'd recommend either Mint or Ubuntu (or one of the variants might be worth trying them out in a VM so you don't have to format a chunk of your drive)

EDIT:The wine compatibility website is at this link

 

[Evil Smurf]

Ask on ubuntu forums if that crap runs under wine.

Other than that you could run it in a Windows VM I guess. That thing has a shit video card though. Most laptops do though. Might ought to get one with an nvidia or ATI GPU.

Wubi can help you here. http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/windows-installer

I can get 16 gig of ram on that model up above but I feel with that graphics card it would be a bottle.

 

[Oolok]

Since I do not have any Apple products, I do not have first-hand experience of any of this. So a quick Google search found me this:
http://syncing-ipod-ubuntu.articles.r-tt.com/
The article is 2 years old, but the functionality it describes should still be there. Although it seems you must have iTunes if you want to get apps.

Your need seems to be to have iTunes and CS5 running on the laptop, unfortunately the only way I see that happening is through WINE (http://www.winehq.org/) or using a virtual machine (e.g. VitualBox, VMWare).

Depending on what you use CS5 for, the graphics chip in the laptop could be a cause for sluggishness.

 

[Evil Smurf]

Since I do not have any Apple products, I do not have first-hand experience of any of this. So a quick Google search found me this:
http://syncing-ipod-ubuntu.articles.r-tt.com/
The article is 2 years old, but the functionality it describes should still be there. Although it seems you must have iTunes if you want to get apps.

Your need seems to be to have iTunes and CS5 running on the laptop, unfortunately the only way I see that happening is through WINE (http://www.winehq.org/) or using a virtual machine (e.g. VitualBox, VMWare).

Depending on what you use CS5 for, the graphics chip in the laptop could be a cause for sluggishness.

thanks, I can buy apps and music through my ipod

 

[Lucem712]

I am considering getting a laptop like this: https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/gazp8 I have no problem with Linux but if I am going to use it primarily I will need to know a few things.

1) I have an itunes account, I buy music, movies and apps for my ipod touch with itunes. Is there a way I can use itunes with linux or is there an alternative which lets me buy music, movies and apps for IOS devices and lets me sync IOS devices with Linux?

2) I have the CS5 suite, is there a way of running it in Linux short of Duel booting/emulating OSX/Windows and installing from there?

I'm also considering one of those laptops, I've heard they're pretty good.

I think you can use an i-pod under the music player amarok (Possibly Clementine since it's built on Amarok. Don't quote me on that though.) Ubuntu also has the "Ubuntu One Music Store" you can use to download/buy music while supporting Ubuntu and its parent company, Canonical. Though, I don't think it has the same library i-Tunes does.

Also, you can use Amazon's music library but you can't mass download because Linux doesn't have an Amazon music client (might work under WINE.)

Ask for the CS5 suite, while I (usually) have no problem emulating software, Adobe is not the most linux friendly company out there. Though, it has a gold rating on WineHQ [http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=20158](or at least the version I looked up). But, it's good to remember that software (hardly ever) runs as well in a Wine Wrapper as in their native OS, so it'd be wise to no expect the same performance.

Though, you might wanna ask [user]DoPo[/user] as he knows much more than I do. Myself, having only used linux for 2-3 years and mostly Debian/Ubuntu based Distros

If you need any help with customization or shell options if/once you buy the laptop, feel free to ask me!

 

[Monster_user]

Edit: Ninja-ed.
I'll leave my post here as an "I agree" type of thing,...

The article is 2 years old, but the functionality it describes should still be there. Although it seems you must have iTunes if you want to get apps.

Have you used Linux often?

Two years is long enough for a project to have been abandoned, and become incompatible with the latestest releases.

Last I checked this functionality did seem to be there, but I try to stick with the LTS releases, and older Apple devices.

The iPod/iPad/iPhone devices/iOS will probably not work until six months to a year after release. Apple likes to try and break compatibility as often as possible, to encourage you to buy an Apple laptop instead.

As long as your running iOS 4.x or earlier, and don't have the latest iDevice, you should be fine. iOS5 may not be supported, or may break in unexpected ways, so be careful.

Your need seems to be to have iTunes and CS5 running on the laptop, unfortunately the only way I see that happening is through WINE (http://www.winehq.org/) or using a virtual machine (e.g. VitualBox, VMWare).

Depending on what you use CS5 for, the graphics chip in the laptop could be a cause for sluggishness.

Open Source Hardware accelleration for Intel graphics seems to be better than either ATI or nVidia's open options. Its the best option "out-of-box". That said, configuring drivers for NVidia chipsets is easier than Windows IMHO, so no reason not to really.

Back to Wine. The Wine project is coming along swimmingly, but as it is not a true Windows environment, you may run into issues not present on Windows. Currently CS5 seems to have the best support.

http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=17


For more app compatibility check the App Database on WineHQ.org.
http://appdb.winehq.org/

 

[Oolok]

Also, you can use Amazon's music library but you can't mass download because Linux doesn't have an Amazon music client (might work under WINE.)

Is this it?
http://mashable.com/2008/03/01/amazon-mp3-linux/

EDIT:

The article is 2 years old, but the functionality it describes should still be there. Although it seems you must have iTunes if you want to get apps.

Have you used Linux often?

Very much so. I am Linux right now. But the problem is that I do not use those stores.

 

[Lucem712]

Also, you can use Amazon's music library but you can't mass download because Linux doesn't have an Amazon music client (might work under WINE.)

Is this it?
http://mashable.com/2008/03/01/amazon-mp3-linux/

That's a rather old article, they must have since dropped Linux compatibility. When I last used it, (A few weeks back) when you click the option to download, it brings up a pop-up box that says something along the lines of mass downloading not being available for your Operating System.

Wonder if the old .deb files are still hanging around, might still work.

Their cloud player and streaming services work on Linux, so I'm happy

 

[Okulossos]

iTunes can be installed to Linux, there are numerous tutorials online to help you - BUT there are far better programs out there for Linux out there which are a much safer environment for monetary transactions than any apple product could ever dream of (by design). If I were you I would not use iTunes (which I don't).

CS5 can be installed using wine and it will work, but it is a bit tricky and I would not advise it for a newcomer since you will have to do some configurations (although there are tutorials)

Lastly, I am dual-booting some of my PCs since a lot of games just work a lot better under Windows. Linux is mostly just for work and programming.
Why not dual-boot or use a VM? That way you can have the best of both worlds.

 

[Evil Smurf]

I am considering getting a laptop like this: https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/gazp8 I have no problem with Linux but if I am going to use it primarily I will need to know a few things.

1) I have an itunes account, I buy music, movies and apps for my ipod touch with itunes. Is there a way I can use itunes with linux or is there an alternative which lets me buy music, movies and apps for IOS devices and lets me sync IOS devices with Linux?

2) I have the CS5 suite, is there a way of running it in Linux short of Duel booting/emulating OSX/Windows and installing from there?

I'm also considering one of those laptops, I've heard they're pretty good.

I think you can use an i-pod under the music player amarok (Possibly Clementine since it's built on Amarok. Don't quote me on that though.) Ubuntu also has the "Ubuntu One Music Store" you can use to download/buy music while supporting Ubuntu and its parent company, Canonical. Though, I don't think it has the same library i-Tunes does.

Also, you can use Amazon's music library but you can't mass download because Linux doesn't have an Amazon music client (might work under WINE.)

Ask for the CS5 suite, while I (usually) have no problem emulating software, Adobe is not the most linux friendly company out there. Though, it has a gold rating on WineHQ [http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=20158](or at least the version I looked up). But, it's good to remember that software (hardly ever) runs as well in a Wine Wrapper as in their native OS, so it'd be wise to no expect the same performance.

Though, you might wanna ask [user]DoPo[/user] as he knows much more than I do. Myself, having only used linux for 2-3 years and mostly Debian/Ubuntu based Distros

If you need any help with customization or shell options if/once you buy the laptop, feel free to ask me!

Le Snip

What do you think?

I found sites that support itunes running under wine, but Amazon does not allow Australians to buy music

 

[Evil Smurf]

iTunes can be installed to Linux, there are numerous tutorials online to help you - BUT there are far better programs out there for Linux out there which are a much safer environment for monetary transactions than any apple product could ever dream of (by design). If I were you I would not use iTunes (which I don't).

CS5 can be installed using wine and it will work, but it is a bit tricky and I would not advise it for a newcomer since you will have to do some configurations (although there are tutorials)

Lastly, I am dual-booting some of my PCs since a lot of games just work a lot better under Windows. Linux is mostly just for work and programming.
Why not dual-boot or use a VM? That way you can have the best of both worlds.

I am going to duel boot so I can play some games, (SR 2 come at me!) so I may as well

 

[DrunkOnEstus]

You do need to understand that even using WINE requires at least a rudimentary knowledge of the command line. Strides have been made over the years, particularly in integrating the debian package repository into the GUI and letting you download all your applications there, including WINE itself. As you use it though, it's more than likely you won't escape having to use the command line to install a non-repository app, upgrading the video card/other drivers, etc. I do this shit for a living so if you have any more questions I'll be absolutely happy to answer them either through PM or in this thread.

I have seen a friend use Wine to run Itunes, photoshop is a much trickier situation. If you haven't used it I suggest http://www.gimp.org/ Gimp which has a Windows variant to try it out in your current environment first.

 

[Oolok]

Amazon does not allow Australians to buy music

I have found Amazon is not the only site which does not sell to Australia. As a result I went to smaller sites or JB Hi-Fi.

But as [user]Monster_user[/user] pointed out, WINE is not perfect but does generally provide the necessary functionality of your program. But it can have some...peculiar issues.
For example, I run Steam through WINE (looking forward to this http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/linux/) and it runs great. However there is one interface issue I get which is occasionally a problem. To be able to enter text into a chat, I must alt-tab to the chat window. Clicking my way to it does not work.

EDIT:
I find your avatar is incredibly mesmerising, Evil Smurf.

 

[DoPo]

-snip-

Lol, I was wandering why I got a quote from a thread I didn't remember posting in

Sadly, I don't really know any more than Lucem712. Less than her, actually, since I don't use iTunes at all, nor do I have any Apple products, nor any Adobe software (other than Flash) in Linux.

I see that you're going to be dual booting (wise choice), what else I'd suggest, though, is to set up a virtual machine (VirtualBox is what I use), so you don't need to restart for the most trivial matters. You can probably get a Windows XP (less resource intensive, faster load) on there and install iTunes, give it access to the USB and it should work. In theory, that is - I had a friend of mine who said that he couldn't get his VM and iPhone to work together (but he had a host of other problems at the time, too).

Well since we've started, I can try to whistle in the other Linux people I know

*draws a pentagram*

I summon

The admin of the Linux Users Group!

And the other guy...who seems to post there with the greatest frequency

So can either of you offer any more insight? Here is the question

I am considering getting a laptop like this: https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/gazp8 I have no problem with Linux but if I am going to use it primarily I will need to know a few things.

1) I have an itunes account, I buy music, movies and apps for my ipod touch with itunes. Is there a way I can use itunes with linux or is there an alternative which lets me buy music, movies and apps for IOS devices and lets me sync IOS devices with Linux?

2) I have the CS5 suite, is there a way of running it in Linux short of Duel booting/emulating OSX/Windows and installing from there?

 

[Evil Smurf]

Amazon does not allow Australians to buy music

I have found Amazon is not the only site which does not sell to Australia. As a result I went to smaller sites or JB Hi-Fi.

But as [user]Monster_user[/user] pointed out, WINE is not perfect but does generally provide the necessary functionality of your program. But it can have some...peculiar issues.
For example, I run Steam through WINE (looking forward to this http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/linux/) and it runs great. However there is one interface issue I get which is occasionally a problem. To be able to enter text into a chat, I must alt-tab to the chat window. Clicking my way to it does not work.

EDIT:
I find your avatar is incredibly mesmerising, Evil Smurf.

So I can run TF2 through steam through wine? You may have solved my (future) gaming problems

 

[DrunkOnEstus]

So I can run TF2 through steam through wine? You may have solved my (future) gaming problems

Please realize that with an Intel HD 4000 video chip you're going to likely have to have everything on ultra low, especially if you're not running it natively in Windows. You're giving up processor cycles and video emulation of a virtual environment, or the "not-emulation" of the Windows environment (I say that because Wine stands for "Wine Is Not an Emulator").