LittleBigPlanet Delayed Over Religious Controversy

[Jumplion]

Have any actual Islamic leaders complained?
Is all this based on one persons forum post?

This.

Honestly, you guys are not getting the full picture here. There was no protest. There was no riot. There were no violent rallies or beheadings involved.
It was one person's post. One person's fucking post!
The thing is, Sony didn't have to do anything. It was one goddamn forum post. Any other company would've ignored it.
If you really need someone to blame, it should be Sony for being so soft on the Muslims in the first place. Not the "tewrorists'" faults. Stop with the bullshit propaganda.

Also, I just love how every non-Muslim in this topic just jumped in and started whining, "Waaaah, I want my game, fuck everyone else, I want it now" Shut the fuck up. Being anti-theist, atheist, or whatever the fuck you are doesn't make you better than anyone else, have a little perspective here, people.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if was a fanboy in disguise, I mean Decoy Doctorpus seemed to not give two shits [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.74339], so I wouldn't be surprised.

I'm still pissed off at everyone though.

EDIT: I asked many of my friends online and offline and they heard the exact same thing that I heard easily when I played that part of the track. Certain Arabic hardcore gaming forums are already discussing this, so we decided to take action by emailing you before this spreads to mainstream attention,"

It was one persons forum post, conjured up by many other people. Or so we can assume.

 

[Sirisaxman]

What the fuck? This is easily the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

What he said.

 

[bulletproof12]

religion needs to stay out of media. they want a game to bow to there specific religious beliefs then go hire a dev team and make one (http://www.cravegames.com/games/BibleGame/index.html) but for the rest of us stop taking away our rights.

this part will sound racist but im getting kinda annoyed. i do think abunch of people are ignorant on others cultures. so why the hell wont they let us figure it out? someone on page one said they find it offensive to translate the text of the quaran (butchered spelling) into other languages. they asked wiki to remove a picture of there prophet, and now they are mad because 2 lines of there bible were used in a song. how the hell are we meant to learn about their culture/religion if we cant even figure out what the hell it is.

 

[Smokescreen]

And where did they get that belief, hum?

I don't know, the alien code from Sector 78 who cares

I see; you don't actually care about talking about how these things get started, or where there are parallels in our own culture, or how disturbing any kind of fundamentalism is. Fine by me.

Actually, considering there was a wave of people attempting to bomb abortion clinics, in the US during the 80's, I'd say there's some pretty scary outrage on the parts of Christians too.

That makes little sense.
They bombed abortion clinics not because they were offended religiously, but because they believed they were murdering babies.

And where did they get that belief, hum?

Same place Quakers that were part of the Underground Railroad did?

AFAIK, there has never been a violent sect of the Quakers, but I'm not sure where you're going with it. If you're suggesting that Christian religions have a root, then yes that's true, but my point still stands; there were violent outbursts rooted in religious beliefs coming out of Christian religions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vva0jRFeqJQ

Awww cmon. Its cute talking about death and shit in the middle of a kids game.

See, now if they'd just said: hey, we just realized this content isn't for the audience we intended, then I'd be none of this 'furor' would've happened.

 

[Imitation Saccharin]

I see; you don't actually care about talking about how these things get started, or where there are parallels in our own culture, or how disturbing any kind of fundamentalism is. Fine by me. =

It doesn't matter because religion was an ancillary motivation

 

[Smokescreen]

I see; you don't actually care about talking about how these things get started, or where there are parallels in our own culture, or how disturbing any kind of fundamentalism is. Fine by me. =

It doesn't matter because religion was an ancillary motivation

Just like religion is the ancillary motivation for fatwas?

You have not convinced me, nor demonstrated your point in any manner.

 

[Brockyman]

Actually, considering there was a wave of people attempting to bomb abortion clinics, in the US during the 80's, I'd say there's some pretty scary outrage on the parts of Christians too.

That makes little sense.
They bombed abortion clinics not because they were offended religiously, but because they believed they were murdering babies.

And where did they get that belief, hum?

I don't know... most atheists I know don't like murdering babies...

Not condoning the bombing of abortion clinics, but the abortion issues isn't just "religious" in nature... its more complicated then that.

 

[Imitation Saccharin]

Just like religion is the ancillary motivation for fatwas?

I'm not sure you understand what ancillary means.

Bomb Abortion Clinics logic-

Murdering of children is punishable by death ---> They're murdering babes ---> Abortion is murder ---> The Bible says unborn are human

Vs.

Kill The Satanic Verses guy logic-

The insulting of the Koran is punishable by death ---> The Koran says to attack those who mock it


See the difference?

You have not convinced me, nor demonstrated your point in any manner.

I'm pretty sure you're being obstinate for its own sake, so I'm not much bothered by that.

 

[Brockyman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vva0jRFeqJQ

Awww cmon. Its cute talking about death and shit in the middle of a kids game.

Yeah, cause most American/European/Japanese kids really know Arabic, and would figure that out.

And, yeah, that's so not the point.

 

[niftykoala]

Shouldn't those who are devote NOT be playing games?

 

[Smokescreen]

Actually, considering there was a wave of people attempting to bomb abortion clinics, in the US during the 80's, I'd say there's some pretty scary outrage on the parts of Christians too.

That makes little sense.
They bombed abortion clinics not because they were offended religiously, but because they believed they were murdering babies.

And where did they get that belief, hum?

I don't know... most atheists I know don't like murdering babies...

Not condoning the bombing of abortion clinics, but the abortion issues isn't just "religious" in nature... its more complicated then that.

It is the religion that insists that people are murdering babies. That part isn't complicated.

@Immitation: nice edit, but I caught that ad hominem.

The original line was
"I'm pretty sure you're being a tool, so I'm not much bothered by that."

Just so everyone can see it.

And you've inserted 2 two many steps in your Christian logic:
Murdering of children is punishable by death ---> The Bible says unborn are human

Now it's right.

That's as far as it goes. But it doesn't matter, because my point still stands; the people who were bombing those clinics were motivated by religion, specifically a fundamentalist standpoint in that religion that says that killing 'sinners' is ok.

 

[Brockyman]

Actually, considering there was a wave of people attempting to bomb abortion clinics, in the US during the 80's, I'd say there's some pretty scary outrage on the parts of Christians too.

That makes little sense.
They bombed abortion clinics not because they were offended religiously, but because they believed they were murdering babies.

And where did they get that belief, hum?

I don't know... most atheists I know don't like murdering babies...

Not condoning the bombing of abortion clinics, but the abortion issues isn't just "religious" in nature... its more complicated then that.

It is the religion that insists that people are murdering babies. That part isn't complicated.

@Immitation: nice edit, but I caught that ad hominem.

The original line was
"I'm pretty sure you're being a tool, so I'm not much bothered by that."

Just so everyone can see it.

And you've inserted 2 two many steps in your Christian logic:
Murdering of children is punishable by death ---> The Bible says unborn are human

Now it's right.

That's as far as it goes. But it doesn't matter, because my point still stands; the people who were bombing those clinics were motivated by religion, specifically a fundamentalist standpoint in that religion that says that killing 'sinners' is ok.

And..my point still stand about the atheists I know...

I mainly put that in for shock value, but it also shows the point that most crimes in our society: murder, rape, theft, are both religious and secular in nature, and it's sometimes hard to explain with just secular or religous terms. Would a secular atheist not be hearbroken and outraged at tragedic crime and want justice to come to those who done such action? Of course they would.

Also, the abortion issues IS more complicated then religion... it's the questions "Does an unborn human child have the rights as a born child?" and "What role does the government play in reproductive choices?" While religions have their point of view, there are non-religous factors at work.

But to switch gears.

I'm not condoning what Christian radicals did. They shouldn't have bombed those clinics. I agree with you 100% that every religion has its own sect of fucktards that will destroy lives and property to get there radical views across. But we must NEVER allow these acts of terrorism make us cuddle and bend over backward to make these radical groups happy b/c they may be offended. Let them be offended.

 

[OuroborosChoked]

I've been listening to both of those songs since 2002.

I've been listening to them since 2001. I win.

You did ask me if I've heard the songs. I suppose I really should have gone back and edited that to say "since at least 2002", but I couldn't remember when exactly it was I had picked up Toward The Within.

The songs still don't sound a thing alike, though. Hence, I win.

And while we're on the subject, listen to give the song "The Carnival is Over" by Dead Can Dance, and then listen to some Sinatra...

Brendan Perry does sound quite a bit like a crooner, but the music isn't anything like what Sinatra used. Ever. In fact, I didn't hear a single trumpet in The Carnival Is Over, whereas they're quite common in Sinatra's music. If anything, I'd say The Carnival Is Over sounds a whole lot more like the Ancient City music from Final Fantasy VII (You Can Hear the Cry of the Planet, I think it is).

 

[Stormcloud23]

i don't get what the big deal is with this game... can someone inform me please?

 

[OuroborosChoked]

The songs still don't sound a thing alike, though. Hence, I win.

No, you disagree. There's a difference ;-D

In that Douglas Pierce never sang with Lisa Gerrard or Brendan Perry? The DIJ song is gloomy the whole way through. The DCD song builds to a crescendo and isn't gloomy at all (wistful and melancholy though, maybe)...

And while we're on the subject, listen to give the song "The Carnival is Over" by Dead Can Dance, and then listen to some Sinatra...

Brendan Perry does sound quite a bit like a crooner, but the music isn't anything like what Sinatra used.

Wasn't talking about the music, just Perry's voice. The tag "crooner" is about the last one anyone would think to tag DCD with.

I wouldn't tag all of DCD's work as "crooner" stuff, either. Perry definitely strives toward it on his tracks, though. e.g. Tell Me About The Forest (You Once Called Home) or Black Sun