I suppose the title is strange since I tried to get across the purpose of the thread in just a few words... but I digress. I like RPGs, preferably action RPGs. I like Skyrim quite a bit, as with Borderlands 2, Dark Souls, et cetera. However, one thing that I really like and would want to see is a very very long game like such. I mean hours upon hours upon hours to get all the way through. I would also like it if the game was very difficult, to the point where leveling is very important and bosses are insanely hard and fun. However, one thing I would like in particular would be a definite ending. Skyrim's climax was in no way absolutely conclusive to you character's story in the game, and the main quest as a whole may be little more than a bump in the road. Borderlands 2 features a long campaign but as soon as it's over you just hit a button for New Game + and everything resets with no attachment to your accomplishments. Dark Souls does the same thing, although slightly better since you can see wholly new bits of story, bosses, and equipment each run and it's impossible to do it all in one go. Is there any PC game in which it is a difficult RPG with very sizable length in which the ending is truly the ending?
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Well one of the recent ones is Divinity: Original Sin, but this is a top down party based game with turn based combat.
And a real meaty RPG, whole load of stats, skills, magic stuff, items, characters, stories, quests, and a combat system that will bust your balls unless you pay attention. They also don't scale the monster levels so you can make things as easy or as hard on yourself as you want.
Can't say for sure what the ending will be because I don't seem to be anywhere near the end, but I know there is no new game plus and the way the story has been unfolding so far can only end in something big.
And a real meaty RPG, whole load of stats, skills, magic stuff, items, characters, stories, quests, and a combat system that will bust your balls unless you pay attention. They also don't scale the monster levels so you can make things as easy or as hard on yourself as you want.
Can't say for sure what the ending will be because I don't seem to be anywhere near the end, but I know there is no new game plus and the way the story has been unfolding so far can only end in something big.
Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning would probably suit you. Good action based gameplay with a fairly robust skill system and a huge game world. Especially if you get the two DLC packs which add about another 10 hours each.
Like Smooth Operator says, Divinity: Original Sin is kind of meaty and from what I've experienced so far refuses to hold your hand. Walk off in the wrong direction when your party is under levelled and you'll be eaten alive. It's also up to you to sort of make your own way through it. No quest markers, just a few hints to the direction you need to go and then it's up to you. It's a bit heavy on inventory management at times, but has a fleshed out and fun stats and skills system that I quite like. Don't know much about the end game as I am nowhere near it yet. 
You might like "Gothic 2". I have had the Gothic-titles lying around for quite a while, but have not yet played them. However, both Gothic and Gothic 2 often come up as some of the best RPGs ever made and looking up game-length Gothic 2 has an average playthrough-time of about 100 hours. As far as the challenge is concerned, "nocturnalrambler" has talked about how the gameworld is rather dangerous for low-level-characters. On that and further info, check here:
http://thenocturnalrambler.blogspot.co.at/2012/02/on-gothic-series.html
"Baldur's Gate 2" is not that hard after you get used to how the game works. There are many battles, where you will die a few times, but in most cases, if you adhere to some basic rules, you can win most of them without too much of a hassle. It is only hard in the sense, that without some specific spells, you would make the game impossibly hard for yourself. As soon as you figure out the "solutions", you have an comparably easy time. All in all it comes down to preparation.
Most of the side-content of BGII is accesible in a single playthrough, so I suggest you keep that in mind to possibly keep the game fresh for a second playthrough. If you rush through the game you probably can do it in under 100 hours, but there is quite a bit leeway upwards.
http://thenocturnalrambler.blogspot.co.at/2012/02/on-gothic-series.html
"Baldur's Gate 2" is not that hard after you get used to how the game works. There are many battles, where you will die a few times, but in most cases, if you adhere to some basic rules, you can win most of them without too much of a hassle. It is only hard in the sense, that without some specific spells, you would make the game impossibly hard for yourself. As soon as you figure out the "solutions", you have an comparably easy time. All in all it comes down to preparation.
Most of the side-content of BGII is accesible in a single playthrough, so I suggest you keep that in mind to possibly keep the game fresh for a second playthrough. If you rush through the game you probably can do it in under 100 hours, but there is quite a bit leeway upwards.
Hmm, it's a good question OP.
Baldurs Gate 2 is probably the best example I can think of, especially if you play through the first Baldur's Gate game too (they work well as a continuity). It's also very difficult if you don't abuse AI issues with spells. Between the two games you are looking at 100-200 hours minimum.
Mass Effect 1-3 work similarly, but are not all that difficult. Some people didn't like the way ME3 ended, but especially after the revised version came out, I absolutely adored it.
Divnity Original Sin...ugh I may be committing some sort of sin here (har) but I didn't love it. Some fantastic ideas and some really good bits, but all tied together in a poorly designed, poorly optimized and very limited package. The story and party members were also meh compared to the mindblowing awesomeness that was BG1 and 2.
Baldurs Gate 2 is probably the best example I can think of, especially if you play through the first Baldur's Gate game too (they work well as a continuity). It's also very difficult if you don't abuse AI issues with spells. Between the two games you are looking at 100-200 hours minimum.
Mass Effect 1-3 work similarly, but are not all that difficult. Some people didn't like the way ME3 ended, but especially after the revised version came out, I absolutely adored it.
Divnity Original Sin...ugh I may be committing some sort of sin here (har) but I didn't love it. Some fantastic ideas and some really good bits, but all tied together in a poorly designed, poorly optimized and very limited package. The story and party members were also meh compared to the mindblowing awesomeness that was BG1 and 2.
Dragon Quest 8: Of course, the game is as long as you make it. Given that bosses and random fights can be extremely difficult, leveling is paramount, to the point you can spend a lot of that time grinding. Easily over 100+ hours worth of gameplay... It also has a definite ending.
Edit: Ok, I didn't noticed the "PC" requirement. Mhhh... I guess Fallout 3 (pre Broken Steel DLC) could be said to have a definitive ending. It is also extremely long...
Edit: Ok, I didn't noticed the "PC" requirement. Mhhh... I guess Fallout 3 (pre Broken Steel DLC) could be said to have a definitive ending. It is also extremely long...
This is a very strange request...rather than gameplay or story features, the OP specifically wants RPGs which end at the end and don't permit playing beyond the "main quest" or a New Game+ mode. Okay then...
From BioWare, the only ones that qualify are Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal, Knights of the Old Republic, Dragon Age: Origins and II. All the other's have a NG+ mode (in one form or other).
Fallout 3 without Broken Steel (non-GotY edition) ends at the end.
Divinity: Original Sin is a great, isometric RPG with party-based gameplay and strategic, turn based combat.
Knights of the Old Republic II from Obsidian, as well as Alpha Protocol.
Shadowrun Returns ends at the end and has no NG+ (as standard)
The Witcher and II are both expansive, immersive games with great replayability, storytelling and characters.
Fable games end at the end and lack NG+ options.
Deus Ex: Human Revolution (non-Director's Cut) is more of an action game with RPG elements, but lacks NG+ and ends at the end.
Personally, I love NG+ mode, even going so far as to mod/edit such a mode into games that *don't* have it. After playing thru a game the way a dev intended, knowing what worked and what didn't, I love the second playthru where I can eliminate the boring bits entirely (eg. ME2 probes and resource gathering, Skyrim and blacksmithing/enchanting/alchemy) and start the game with some fun, higher level spells/abilities (challenge permitting).
From BioWare, the only ones that qualify are Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal, Knights of the Old Republic, Dragon Age: Origins and II. All the other's have a NG+ mode (in one form or other).
Fallout 3 without Broken Steel (non-GotY edition) ends at the end.
Divinity: Original Sin is a great, isometric RPG with party-based gameplay and strategic, turn based combat.
Knights of the Old Republic II from Obsidian, as well as Alpha Protocol.
Shadowrun Returns ends at the end and has no NG+ (as standard)
The Witcher and II are both expansive, immersive games with great replayability, storytelling and characters.
Fable games end at the end and lack NG+ options.
Deus Ex: Human Revolution (non-Director's Cut) is more of an action game with RPG elements, but lacks NG+ and ends at the end.
Personally, I love NG+ mode, even going so far as to mod/edit such a mode into games that *don't* have it. After playing thru a game the way a dev intended, knowing what worked and what didn't, I love the second playthru where I can eliminate the boring bits entirely (eg. ME2 probes and resource gathering, Skyrim and blacksmithing/enchanting/alchemy) and start the game with some fun, higher level spells/abilities (challenge permitting).
Gothic series: You said that you wanted action RPGs. These are really good, though the controls take some getting used to.
Ultima 7: Not an action RPG, but it has a huge open world, great writing and NPCs that due to their schedules feel far more alive than those in Skyrim.
Daggerfall: Well, you said you wanted a game that you could spend many hours with...
Lands of Lore series: These are quite lengthy & have clear endings.
Ultima 7: Not an action RPG, but it has a huge open world, great writing and NPCs that due to their schedules feel far more alive than those in Skyrim.
Daggerfall: Well, you said you wanted a game that you could spend many hours with...
Lands of Lore series: These are quite lengthy & have clear endings.
Amen. The game literally ends when you finish the story and a voice over tells you how the actions you took will affect the region and the more prominent characters in the years to come. You do get the option to continue playing from where you were right before the final mission though if you still have things to do so you get the best of both worlds so to speak.Ylla said:
I recently modded my PS2 copy of Final Fantasy XII to upgrade it to the International Zodiac Job System version. I have been having a ton a fun playing that. Not an action RPG exactly, but in my opinion has a great combat system and a ton of enjoyable side content.
I was thinking that. The only slight issue is while it can be fairly difficult early on (especially if you piss of a certain faction at the first possible opportunity), it does get an awful lot easier once you find half-decent equipment and complete a dozen missions or so.Ylla said:
Play it in Hard-Core mode OP!
Unfortunately, too much of the story hinges on the PC being a blatant Kung-Stu-Jesus. Simply put, the player controlled protagonist is way, waaaaaaaaay too powerful and as a result renders all the carefully crafted backstory redundant: the whole plot is invincible hero shows up, invincible hero wins by punching, swording, magicking, causality-fucking harder that anyone else, invincible heroes leave the battlefield victorious and run unopposed toward his next easy victory: God-Man, the RPG.Jason Rayes said:
There's an handful of scene where some character scratch their heads and wonder if such an overpowered individual will not eventually create problems larger than those he's fixing... which could have been an interesting idea to explore, but they never go anywhere with it.
It's a fun romp, but story wise, it's little more than a schoolboy's power fantasy.
Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King. Best RPG on the PS2 and one of the best RPGs ever in all. It's a good 100+ hours of gameplay, lots of side stuff to get distracted with (alchemy synth, monster fighting, collection sidequests, etc) and has a pretty satisfying ending as well.
I perhaps should state it in a different way, now that I realize I initially stated it very very very poorly. The "ending" may or may not have any real relation to the story, but I always want that one thing that is very clearly "THIS IS THE LAST THING YOU DO IN THE GAME AND ONCE YOU FINISH IT YOU HAVE DONE THE ULTIMATE ENDING THING".
I'd say Baldur's Gate I and II, they are my favorite games (II and then I) and I really liked the Witcher I and II (the combat in Witcher I is really wonky, and the faces on most characters are hideous (every bearded or dwarven character is just...urgh *shudders*)) so take that for what you will =)
Well it IS written by R.A.Salvatore so that's to be expectedNixou said:
I was mainly looking at his requirement for it to be long and have an ending.
If you're into JRPGs, check out Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky on Steam. Story will take you at least 50 hours to complete and what I've heard, it is the first of three Hereoes games, SC (what game 2 is nicknamed on the Steam forums) will come out later and maybe the third depending on SC's sales.
Here: http://store.steampowered.com/app/251150/
Here: http://store.steampowered.com/app/251150/