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w00tage

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Danceofmasks said:
w00tage said:
Danceofmasks said:
I may think Sony are a bunch of tools ... to the point of ... their court cases never actually address anything, but are just constantly repeating "PIRATES!" against every argument.
Jailbreaking your devices is legal. Selling jailbreaking technology or devices is not, because they're almost entirely used for illegal purposes.
....unless you count the market for legal jailbreaking of devices. Were it legal to get the technology, of course.

That's actually sort of the same kind of system as the "copying your movies is legal. Copying DVDs of your movies is not because breaking the copy protection is what pirates do" deal. The truth there is, you actually own the license to any "Fair Use" of the movie, but being unable to legally break the copy protection means the producer can charge you any desired price for the movie on new media, instead of having the price set by the actual costs of getting it transferred to the new media (almost nothing).

In other words, it's worth it for a company to pay lawyers, lobbyists and government officials to circumvent both the letter and intent of the law by passing a contradictory law that is too expensive to fight in court.
Ah, but if the jailbreaking technology is given away for free, such as in the case of cracking region-locked DVDs, then it's all good.

The reason the Hotz court case was such a circus was 'cos Sony didn't actually have a legal leg to stand on, and they were just using their financial clout to hurt him by dragging it on and on.
Sadly, no about the free cracking tech, at least as far as I know. Even with the recent Library of Congress ruling (and what's up with the "every three years" thing on that. Don't we do speedy justice in America? LOL I crack myself up) allowing clips for critique, documentaries and educational use, I still don't see tools out there.

And note, that ruling still didn't say "oh and you can copy movies you have bought to hard drives for your own home use, because you do own the license for the movie and it's the same as playing it from the DVD except way more convenient". Way to fail the public interest, Librarian of Congress. Your corporate overlords are pleased.
 

Alade

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I'm very much amused by what Lulsec does, since it hasn't affected me in a bad way yet (and since I'm a sadist).

I doubt the FBI has caught a real member though.
 

lacktheknack

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AMMO Kid said:
Sorry PS3 fans, I'm cheering for the lulz on this one. Personally I don't know why ANYONE would want to give their support and money to a company that doesn't give a crap about your personal information safety.
LulzSec/the original PSN hackers posted all the information online. Your argument has never been less valid than it is right now.
 

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Dirty Hipsters said:
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DeadSp8s said:
you wanna watch the FBI and Sony ream guys in the ass?
Totally. They deserve every minute of jailtime they get over it.
Why? Cause you couldn't play Socom for a couple days?

Didn't Sony sell PS3 touting their capability to run multiple operating systems (i.e. Linux) and then go back on that by removing functions and punishing it's users until they updated their PS3's to remove the capability to run other OS's?

Sounds like Sony should be punished....oh wait
Saviordd1 said:
Honestly I'm rooting for lulzsec. They are willing to show these people how poorly these companies defend themselves, which is needed.
So apparently if a bank gets robbed, and a bunch of bank customers and employees die during the robbery it's all the bank's fault for not having 15 armed marines guarding every entrance. Ok then.
This seems kinda Strawman here. I don't think anyone died in the Sony Hacking.
 

Bneuf

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Morality and its justification be damned, I'm glad that PS3 fanboys got taken down a peg by this whole business, not just the Lulzsec stuff.

I mean, the fanboys were parading in forums claiming things like running your own OS, free online multiplayer, and many more benefits, and the removal of different OSes from the PS3, not to mention the absence of the good old "free multiplayer" was really something to look forward to.

And by the way, I have a PS3,but I just hate it when people fail to see the duality of these sorts of things.

This arrest is another time when ignorance by choice really is in vogue. If this guy was unheard of from Lulzsec, I wouldn't be too worried. He probably hung around the recruiting IRC and bragged about something somewhere.

The Proxy tangent is another possibility. I don't want to jump to conclusions, but this guy might be innocent after all.
 

Sandytimeman

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I think we should all note that, this guy is simply been charged. He is innocent before PROVEN guilty in a court of law. We can't just go around assuming everyone the government locks up is automatically guilty.
 

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Spartan448 said:
For once, the FBI does something... WHEN IT IS NOT AT ALL A THREAT TO NATIONAL SECURITY. STOP focusing on petty hackers who spend their time hacking SONY of all companies, and START actually LOOKING for AL QUEIDA, who want to KILL US.
So the FBI sends all of it's resources into one case at a time like a pack of Vikings?

Glad you know this.
 

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Anyone else hoping this person gets the book thrown at them? Amongst other things?

Ah, well, I hope they catch the rest of these assholes and make them suffer.
I think anyone affected by this should get to vote for their punishment. I choose hanging!
The thing though is that they're not centralized, meaning they can keep recruiting when someone is caught, the hackers can grow and be stuck due to the group being able to bring them down easily, so arresting one hacker isn't going to do much when there are so many others thriving.

That's the main problem with bringing down groups like anonymous, it takes so much effort just to track down one hacker and the worst part is more people can learn it and join the group, so until we get to the point where the technology has advanced to be able to track them down like new internet cables like what Google is doing in Kansas City, bringing down organizations like these is near-impossible. Either that or find someone who knows alot about the organization, arrest them and question them about it, a new law will be needed for this of course.
 

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Since when did we start supporting giant corporations, especially one that lies to its consumers and can't secure its customers information?

Its like you people are cheering for BP for spilling oil in the Gulf.
 

Alucard788

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Honestly you can cheer for these groups all you like or say 'It's just a faceless corporation' but these are not revolutionaries, these are not political activists, these people are at best vigilantes, and not the batman kind. They aren't out to make the world better and they aren't trying to help anyone, they are hurting people and not the big CEOs or other high payed guys, the common folks, you an me.

In the aftermath of these attacks on Sony what is going to happen? Sony will cut costs to balance the losses from these attacks, that means the bottom level people who work long hours for a paycheck a fraction of the CEOs get their pink slips and unemployment gets another few thousand people added to the tally. Yeah those hackers really helped those people, and did nothing to the executives, and the millions of customers who lost access to their games for a few days, have had their personal information stolen and have to worry about losing everything to identity theft. Yeah great job hackers you put more weight on these people, and Sony will raise PSN costs to cover the loses and to pay for increased security, you guys did a great job.

These guys aren't heroes, these guys hurt millions of people just so they could arrogantly claim they accomplished something, so they could feel good about themselves. This is just bullying on another level guys, and you aren't hurting the decision makers you are hurting the guys who just do their jobs. No matter how good you are they are going to catch up with you eventually, the web isn't as anon as it used to be and the FBI has guys every bit as good as you are
I wanted to quote this...so it's read again. (bolded some parts, that I feel, hit this message home)

You've said everything that I've wanted to say.
 

Araksardet

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Unfortunately, LulzSec performed a necessary service. They're jerks and criminals, of course, and should be prosecuted, but they're kind of like... hm, what's a good analogy.. you know how people with kids buy pets, so that the kids will be less likely to develop allergies because they're already been exposed to allergens? Or how vaccines inject dead or weakened forms of a pathogen into your body so you can learn to fight it off? LulzSec are poking weak spots that need to be plugged one way or the other. Now, they've been doing some pretty nasty stuff, but it's conceivable that if they hadn't, someone worse could have come along and exploited those holes.
 

Alucard788

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Araksardet said:
Unfortunately, LulzSec performed a necessary service. They're jerks and criminals, of course, and should be prosecuted, but they're kind of like... hm, what's a good analogy.. you know how people with kids buy pets, so that the kids will be less likely to develop allergies because they're already been exposed to allergens? Or how vaccines inject dead or weakened forms of a pathogen into your body so you can learn to fight it off? LulzSec are poking weak spots that need to be plugged one way or the other. Now, they've been doing some pretty nasty stuff, but it's conceivable that if they hadn't, someone worse could have come along and exploited those holes.
So you don't think that they are selling any personal information? Really?

Sometimes the ends can never justify the means.
 

starkiller212

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I just love how unanimous the "fuck hackers, they deserve what they get" sentiment is. Totally consistent with how almost nobody gets upset when mass-murdering terrorists get assassinated or waterboarded.

I guess I really just shouldn't be surprised by how shitty people are anymore.