Los Angeles Manhunt

[twistedmic]

While neither article seems to mention it, isn't it at all possible that the police tried to stop both vehicles and the drivers didn't comply? Maybe the police flashed their lights and sirens and the car kept coming, maybe the driver made a move that was perceived as threatening (reaching under the seat or dashboard for example).
And keep in mind that both shooting came mere hours after three officers were shot in two separate instances (one fatally so), so high stress levels might have played a part in the shootings..
According to the linked article, the first police shooting (with the police as the victims) occurred at 1:30am and the second civilian shooting (civilians were the victims) occurred at 5:45am on the same day. That's a window of four hours and fifteen minutes between the first officer shot and the second civilian vehicle being fired on.

 

[Cry Wolf]

My head, it hurts. Police officers involved in these shootings should have criminal charges pressed and be thrown off the force. If these kind of reactions to anything that even remotely look like Dorner's vehicle continue, they're going to end up with a higher body count than the man they are chasing. It's a miracle nobody died in either of those incidents.

EDIT:

What I should have done, was put a Winchester Ranger SXT 9mm 147 grain bullet in his skull and Officer Magana?s skull.

I'm not finished reading his manifesto yet, but he certainly needs to be caught. As horrible as the behaviour of the police in the civilian shooting incidents linked Christopher Downer is much, much worse. This is a man who belives murder is an appropriate response to a bunch of dickheads saying ******.

DOUBLE EDIT: He also uses multiple exclamation marks, which I loathe. He should be caught for that reason alone.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

The fury is dedicated to the pure idiocy that is "siding with the murderous psycho".

Maybe having family in the police force has finally made me snap at the anti-cop sentiments around here. I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore, ya know?

There really isn't anyone else to side with in this particular case. The cops here have shown themselves to be so inept it makes the killer look like he might have a point.

Not to say the killing of innocents is okay. There's just no heroes here at all.

There may be no heroes, but in the choice between "incompetent and possibly corrupt cops who haven't killed anyone" and "psychotic murderer with an axe to grind", I can't believe there's actually a division of loyalty.

Havn't killed anyone "yet". And not for lack of trying either.

And much more afraid of the group of people being given weapons by the state, and yet are shooting at innocent people than the one psycho that has some sort of plan.

I'd rather take my chances with the latter.

Then you're insane.

That's all I can conclude from someone who says that they'd rather encounter a serial killer rather than stressed-beyond-hell cops.

If I run into the cops that work in this city and I'm

-Driving a car that might look like what he's driving? Dead
- Vaguely match the guy's description? Dead
- Happen to be doing any number of things that might seem fishy to a cop? Dead

And because it's the police, they're likely to get away with it.

With the killer, there are far less things I can do to tick him off.

Wrong wrong wrong. You seriously think they're going to open fire on someone who they aren't sure is the suspect at this point? What do you think they are, suicidal lemmings? They know they're under immense scrutiny at this point, and won't DARE to try that stunt again.

If you're doing anything "fishy" or "resemble" the suspect, even the most on-edge cop in existence would tell you to put your hands up, and if you did, they'd arrest you, only to let you go right away because you certainly have an alibi and aren't resisting (and if you are resisting, then you're an idiot regardless of circumstance). And at this point, they'll be pulling people over before shooting.

Meanwhile, if we meet our serial killer:
Part of the family of an LAPD officer? Dead. For sure. If this was happening in my city, I'd be a target right now.

You're essentially saying "I'm siding with a guy who has a 100% chance of killing people again, because I'm not a target, and the other guys have a 0.000000000001% chance of shooting me". Even less so, since I highly doubt you resemble the suspect.

It's disgusting. Stop it.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/ex-cop-manhunt-newspaper-delivery-women-shot.html

And yet, that's exactly what they did.

How else can you explain two innocent civilians being shot? ASIANS NO LESS.

 

[Shadowstar38]

Wrong wrong wrong. You seriously think they're going to open fire on someone who they aren't sure is the suspect at this point? What do you think they are, suicidal lemmings? They know they're under immense scrutiny at this point, and won't DARE to try that stunt again.

If you're doing anything "fishy" or "resemble" the suspect, even the most on-edge cop in existence would tell you to put your hands up, and if you did, they'd arrest you, only to let you go right away because you certainly have an alibi and aren't resisting (and if you are resisting, then you're an idiot regardless of circumstance). And at this point, they'll be pulling people over before shooting.

Meanwhile,
Part of the family of an LAPD officer? Dead. For sure. If this was happening in my city, I'd be a target right now.

You're essentially saying "I'm siding with a guy who has a 100% chance of killing people again, because I'm not a target, and the other guys have a 0.000000000001% chance of shooting me". Even less so, since I highly doubt you resemble the suspect.

It's disgusting. Stop it.

In a perfect world, yes. They'd take these mistakes as an opertunity to get their shit together. They may even crack down on some of this corruption if it's indeed true and now that someone's sounding off about it.

Though it's just as likely that the cops are still on edge, still looking for an excuse to put down how they see as a suspect, and still likely to screw up.

I'm more afraid of the police because they have the power to put me or anyone else down without much of a fight. They've already shown here that they can't be trusted to keep their cool, so why continue to trust them to protect us after this?

I'm not trying to be offensive but, seriously, the cops are as bad, if not, worse than the one on a rampage.

 

[lacktheknack]

He's not going postal.. I mean, yeah he sort of is, but if you read his manifesto he's got a shit ton of legit complaints against the LAPD for their corruption and racism.

He's not a pyschopath in the traditional sense.

Yes he is. Complaints aside, you don't kill family members that had exactly zero to do with corruption. He's not a reasonable guy.

Meanwhile the LAPD are firing on innocent civilians in an attempt to kill him.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/ex-cop-manhunt-newspaper-delivery-women-shot.html

Who's the bigger pyschopath? The pyschopath or the guys that are suppose to catch the pyschopath?

The one who's hunting down and killing people.

Rhetorical questions don't work when they're easily answerable.

Look, clearly Dorner is in the wrong. And he should face the fullest extent of the law.

When I say he's not a pyschopath in traditional terms, he's not fucking Eric Harris. He's not killing because he hates humanity or some bullshit. He's flat out stated "This is my beef with the LAPD"

http://pastebin.com/TAzPRfPy

He needs to face justice, I agree, but I think some of his claims need to be investigated. The thought of police taking pictures with their cell phone cameras of the recently deceased and betting on who has the worse corpse? And all of that misconduct protected by the "blue line"

I've never had any trouble with police but it be foolish to write off his claims as the ramblings of a delusional mad man. This is different.

As I said before, they should be investigated. Thoroughly. Cop corruption is a hell of a bad thing.

However, I am FURIOUS and HORRIFIED that people are SIDING WITH A SERIAL KILLER because of it. That's what I'm focusing on. People can try to justify it all they want, but PEOPLE ARE DYING AT THE HANDS OF A PSYCHOPATH.

HOW

DO

I

GET

THIS

ACROSS?

Here, I'll put it in less grand terms.

This is like siding with some guy who beat the crap out some girl and leaves her in the hospital because "her brother slapped some dude I know". When we start siding with him, I snap.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

Wrong wrong wrong. You seriously think they're going to open fire on someone who they aren't sure is the suspect at this point? What do you think they are, suicidal lemmings? They know they're under immense scrutiny at this point, and won't DARE to try that stunt again.

If you're doing anything "fishy" or "resemble" the suspect, even the most on-edge cop in existence would tell you to put your hands up, and if you did, they'd arrest you, only to let you go right away because you certainly have an alibi and aren't resisting (and if you are resisting, then you're an idiot regardless of circumstance). And at this point, they'll be pulling people over before shooting.

Meanwhile,
Part of the family of an LAPD officer? Dead. For sure. If this was happening in my city, I'd be a target right now.

You're essentially saying "I'm siding with a guy who has a 100% chance of killing people again, because I'm not a target, and the other guys have a 0.000000000001% chance of shooting me". Even less so, since I highly doubt you resemble the suspect.

It's disgusting. Stop it.

In a perfect world, yes. They'd take these mistakes as an opertunity to get their shit together. They may even crack down on some of this corruption if it's indeed true and now that someone's sounding off about it.

Though it's just as likely that the cops are still on edge, still looking for an excuse to put down how they see as a suspect, and still likely to screw up.

I'm more afraid of the police because they have the power to put me or anyone else down without much of a fight. They've already shown here that they can't be trusted to keep their cool, so why continue to trust them to protect us after this?

I'm not trying to be offensive but, seriously, the cops are as bad, if not, worse than the one on a rampage.

And to be fair, the alleged asian women where heading towards a house of a family member the suspect threatened.

That's still no excuse to open fire before being open fired upon.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

He's not going postal.. I mean, yeah he sort of is, but if you read his manifesto he's got a shit ton of legit complaints against the LAPD for their corruption and racism.

He's not a pyschopath in the traditional sense.

Yes he is. Complaints aside, you don't kill family members that had exactly zero to do with corruption. He's not a reasonable guy.

Meanwhile the LAPD are firing on innocent civilians in an attempt to kill him.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/ex-cop-manhunt-newspaper-delivery-women-shot.html

Who's the bigger pyschopath? The pyschopath or the guys that are suppose to catch the pyschopath?

The one who's hunting down and killing people.

Rhetorical questions don't work when they're easily answerable.

Look, clearly Dorner is in the wrong. And he should face the fullest extent of the law.

When I say he's not a pyschopath in traditional terms, he's not fucking Eric Harris. He's not killing because he hates humanity or some bullshit. He's flat out stated "This is my beef with the LAPD"

http://pastebin.com/TAzPRfPy

He needs to face justice, I agree, but I think some of his claims need to be investigated. The thought of police taking pictures with their cell phone cameras of the recently deceased and betting on who has the worse corpse? And all of that misconduct protected by the "blue line"

I've never had any trouble with police but it be foolish to write off his claims as the ramblings of a delusional mad man. This is different.

As I said before, they should be investigated. Thoroughly. Cop corruption is a hell of a bad thing.

However, I am FURIOUS and HORRIFIED that people are SIDING WITH A SERIAL KILLER because of it. That's what I'm focusing on. People can try to justify it all they want, but PEOPLE ARE DYING AT THE HANDS OF A PSYCHOPATH.

HOW

DO

I

GET

THIS

ACROSS?

Here, I'll put it in less grand terms.

This is like siding with some guy who beat the crap out some girl and leaves her in the hospital because "her brother slapped some dude I know". When we start siding with him, I snap.

I don't condone vigilantism that results in people dead. Batman is a hero. Dorner is no hero.

But he's saying his whole one man war is stemming from this corruption. All I'm saying is once Dorner is either caught or killed, his allegations need to be investigated. We can't just ignore it as the delusional ramblings of a mad man.

Wrong is still wrong, but if the LAPD is engaging in the activity he claims I want them held responsible too.

I'm sorry but PHOTOGRAPHING THE MUTILATED BODIES OF THE DEAD is equal to "slapped some dude I know"?

No. It's not.

 

[lacktheknack]

Wrong wrong wrong. You seriously think they're going to open fire on someone who they aren't sure is the suspect at this point? What do you think they are, suicidal lemmings? They know they're under immense scrutiny at this point, and won't DARE to try that stunt again.

If you're doing anything "fishy" or "resemble" the suspect, even the most on-edge cop in existence would tell you to put your hands up, and if you did, they'd arrest you, only to let you go right away because you certainly have an alibi and aren't resisting (and if you are resisting, then you're an idiot regardless of circumstance). And at this point, they'll be pulling people over before shooting.

Meanwhile,
Part of the family of an LAPD officer? Dead. For sure. If this was happening in my city, I'd be a target right now.

You're essentially saying "I'm siding with a guy who has a 100% chance of killing people again, because I'm not a target, and the other guys have a 0.000000000001% chance of shooting me". Even less so, since I highly doubt you resemble the suspect.

It's disgusting. Stop it.

In a perfect world, yes. They'd take these mistakes as an opertunity to get their shit together. They may even crack down on some of this corruption if it's indeed true and now that someone's sounding off about it.

Though it's just as likely that the cops are still on edge, still looking for an excuse to put down how they see as a suspect, and still likely to screw up.

I'm more afraid of the police because they have the power to put me or anyone else down without much of a fight. They've already shown here that they can't be trusted to keep their cool, so why continue to trust them to protect us after this?

I'm not trying to be offensive but, seriously, the cops are as bad, if not, worse than the one on a rampage.

You say they're bad because they might kill people. Fine. Then you say that they're as bad or worse as the guy who has killed and will kill again.

The forum rules won't let me say what I have to say to you.

Also, do you have family in the police?

No? So you don't know how the hierarchy works. You don't know how the cop punishments go down. You don't know how they get worse when the media comes in. You don't know about the mental breakdowns. You don't know about the rotation of cops in situations just like this. You don't know the various methods that the police have, which have been proven to work in the past.

You. Don't. Know.

So why should I, a dude with a cousin and parent involved with the police force, listen to what you theorize the cops will do next? You can claim "but they'll act on human instinct", and I'll claim the same thing. However, I also claim that the human instinct will have shifted to "hold your fire" by this point.

 

[Gennadios]

The people that are accepted into the LAPD are... special.

Every city has different psych eval requirements to take on cops, in my city, the kind of personality traits that LAPD can get away with would only land them a spot in the Sheriff's department, which is sort of a repository for people deemed to aggressive to be put on patrol.

 

[lacktheknack]

He's not going postal.. I mean, yeah he sort of is, but if you read his manifesto he's got a shit ton of legit complaints against the LAPD for their corruption and racism.

He's not a pyschopath in the traditional sense.

Yes he is. Complaints aside, you don't kill family members that had exactly zero to do with corruption. He's not a reasonable guy.

Meanwhile the LAPD are firing on innocent civilians in an attempt to kill him.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/ex-cop-manhunt-newspaper-delivery-women-shot.html

Who's the bigger pyschopath? The pyschopath or the guys that are suppose to catch the pyschopath?

The one who's hunting down and killing people.

Rhetorical questions don't work when they're easily answerable.

Look, clearly Dorner is in the wrong. And he should face the fullest extent of the law.

When I say he's not a pyschopath in traditional terms, he's not fucking Eric Harris. He's not killing because he hates humanity or some bullshit. He's flat out stated "This is my beef with the LAPD"

http://pastebin.com/TAzPRfPy

He needs to face justice, I agree, but I think some of his claims need to be investigated. The thought of police taking pictures with their cell phone cameras of the recently deceased and betting on who has the worse corpse? And all of that misconduct protected by the "blue line"

I've never had any trouble with police but it be foolish to write off his claims as the ramblings of a delusional mad man. This is different.

As I said before, they should be investigated. Thoroughly. Cop corruption is a hell of a bad thing.

However, I am FURIOUS and HORRIFIED that people are SIDING WITH A SERIAL KILLER because of it. That's what I'm focusing on. People can try to justify it all they want, but PEOPLE ARE DYING AT THE HANDS OF A PSYCHOPATH.

HOW

DO

I

GET

THIS

ACROSS?

Here, I'll put it in less grand terms.

This is like siding with some guy who beat the crap out some girl and leaves her in the hospital because "her brother slapped some dude I know". When we start siding with him, I snap.

I don't condone vigilantism that results in people dead. Batman is a hero. Dorner is no hero.

But he's saying his whole one man war is stemming from this corruption. All I'm saying is once Dorner is either caught or killed, his allegations need to be investigated. We can't just ignore it as the delusional ramblings of a mad man.

Wrong is still wrong, but if the LAPD is engaging in the activity he claims I want them held responsible too.

I'm sorry but PHOTOGRAPHING THE MUTILATED BODIES OF THE DEAD is equal to "slapped some dude I know"?

No. It's not.

Neither is MURDER equal to "beat some girl up and put her in the hospital". That's the point of reducing the terms. If anything, I probably picked something too lenient for comparison to murder. Maybe if he had left her infertile in the process, it would be an accurate scaling down.

I also want the police investigated... LATER. AFTER PEOPLE STOP SIDING WITH A FUCKING SERIAL KILLER AND THEY ARREST HIM.

You know what? Judging from people's reactions in this thread, I'm starting to think that "violent games desensitize people to violence" has a grain (or more) of truth.

 

[lacktheknack]

Everyone involed with these shootings should be fired and brought up on criminal charges for firing on innocent bystanders without even attempting to identify them.

Fucking retards.

This is true. I fully support this.

 

[lacktheknack]

He's not going postal.. I mean, yeah he sort of is, but if you read his manifesto he's got a shit ton of legit complaints against the LAPD for their corruption and racism.

He's not a pyschopath in the traditional sense.

Yes he is. Complaints aside, you don't kill family members that had exactly zero to do with corruption. He's not a reasonable guy.

Meanwhile the LAPD are firing on innocent civilians in an attempt to kill him.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/ex-cop-manhunt-newspaper-delivery-women-shot.html

Who's the bigger pyschopath? The pyschopath or the guys that are suppose to catch the pyschopath?

That would be the guy intentionally and systematically murdering people.

And yet I'm less scared of him than I am of the ones who are supposed to protecting the people.

Show an ounce of empathy for some policeman's son, daughter, or spouse. Just an ounce. I dare you.

Now see you just assumed I don't. I have sympathy for them the same way I have sympathy for the families all the police and armed forces of any country. The ones I don't have sympathy for are those fucking trigger happy cops. Dude doesn't even have to target anybody anymore, just sit back and watch the LAPD destroy itself. The only reason those four civilians are still alive is because the officers can't aim for shit. Nobody can claim to be reasonable here.

Not what I was getting at.

You say "I'm more terrified of the cops at this point". But face it, you're not THAT scared. You likely don't resemble the suspect, likely don't drive that car, and likely don't do suspicious stuff in broad daylight, and you probably know in the back of your head that the cops are going to be way more careful on who they shoot at now.

However, the family members of the police have no such assurances. They KNOW they're on that hit list, and the only thing that can save them is bringing down the killer right away. They're terrified out of their minds right now, if they're sane. THAT'S what I meant by "show an ounce of sympathy".

And make no mistake, I'm on the cops' side for right now, until the killer is arrested... and then I'm going to do a 180 and demand that investigation be done.

It's just that I (unlike anyone else here, apparently) have a sense of priority and timing.

 

[Shadowstar38]

You say they're bad because they might kill people. Fine. Then you say that they're as bad or worse as the guy who has killed and will kill again.

The forum rules won't let me say what I have to say to you.

Also, do you have family in the police?

No? So you don't know how the hierarchy works. You don't know how the cop punishments go down. You don't know how they get worse when the media comes in. You don't know about the mental breakdowns. You don't know about the rotation of cops in situations just like this. You don't know the various methods that the police have, which have been proven to work in the past.

You. Don't. Know.

So why should I, a dude with a cousin and parent involved with the police force, listen to what you theorize the cops will do next? You can claim "but they'll act on human instinct", and I'll claim the same thing. However, I also claim that the human instinct will have shifted to "hold your fire" by this point.

You're making a lot of assumptions right now. But okay. Assuming I didn't personally know several people working in law enforcement...

I really have no problem with the police in general. They tend to do what's in the people's best interest. And due to the nature of their job, I expect them to be of a higher standard than most other people. Anyone who can't hack it should be thrown on their ass.

When something like this happens, someone's been screwing up royally. And the people that are suppose to protect us are not keeping it together. And when you add the possible corruption, I just can't help but find them to be the cause of this whole mess.

The killer should not have gone after the families. But if what he's saying is true, and the LAPD has created an environment where an individual thinks this is the best option, I find the cops to be as guilty as the murderer.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

He's not going postal.. I mean, yeah he sort of is, but if you read his manifesto he's got a shit ton of legit complaints against the LAPD for their corruption and racism.

He's not a pyschopath in the traditional sense.

Yes he is. Complaints aside, you don't kill family members that had exactly zero to do with corruption. He's not a reasonable guy.

Meanwhile the LAPD are firing on innocent civilians in an attempt to kill him.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/ex-cop-manhunt-newspaper-delivery-women-shot.html

Who's the bigger pyschopath? The pyschopath or the guys that are suppose to catch the pyschopath?

The one who's hunting down and killing people.

Rhetorical questions don't work when they're easily answerable.

Look, clearly Dorner is in the wrong. And he should face the fullest extent of the law.

When I say he's not a pyschopath in traditional terms, he's not fucking Eric Harris. He's not killing because he hates humanity or some bullshit. He's flat out stated "This is my beef with the LAPD"

http://pastebin.com/TAzPRfPy

He needs to face justice, I agree, but I think some of his claims need to be investigated. The thought of police taking pictures with their cell phone cameras of the recently deceased and betting on who has the worse corpse? And all of that misconduct protected by the "blue line"

I've never had any trouble with police but it be foolish to write off his claims as the ramblings of a delusional mad man. This is different.

As I said before, they should be investigated. Thoroughly. Cop corruption is a hell of a bad thing.

However, I am FURIOUS and HORRIFIED that people are SIDING WITH A SERIAL KILLER because of it. That's what I'm focusing on. People can try to justify it all they want, but PEOPLE ARE DYING AT THE HANDS OF A PSYCHOPATH.

HOW

DO

I

GET

THIS

ACROSS?

Here, I'll put it in less grand terms.

This is like siding with some guy who beat the crap out some girl and leaves her in the hospital because "her brother slapped some dude I know". When we start siding with him, I snap.

I don't condone vigilantism that results in people dead. Batman is a hero. Dorner is no hero.

But he's saying his whole one man war is stemming from this corruption. All I'm saying is once Dorner is either caught or killed, his allegations need to be investigated. We can't just ignore it as the delusional ramblings of a mad man.

Wrong is still wrong, but if the LAPD is engaging in the activity he claims I want them held responsible too.

I'm sorry but PHOTOGRAPHING THE MUTILATED BODIES OF THE DEAD is equal to "slapped some dude I know"?

No. It's not.

Neither is MURDER equal to "beat some girl up and put her in the hospital". That's the point of reducing the terms. If anything, I probably picked something too lenient for comparison to murder. Maybe if he had left her infertile in the process, it would be an accurate scaling down.

Touche.

I also want the police investigated... LATER. AFTER PEOPLE STOP SIDING WITH A FUCKING SERIAL KILLER AND THEY ARREST HIM.

I agree. Is it siding with him by saying "hey, homeboy might have a point here."?

You know what? Judging from people's reactions in this thread, I'm starting to think that "violent games desensitize people to violence" has a grain (or more) of truth.

Now you're just creating a straw man. A silly one at that. You know thats not true.

The only reason anyone is sympathizing with this guy is his manifesto. He's painted the narrative of the LAPD being corrupt and racist. LAPD in turns didn't do anything to their benefit by shooting at INNOCENT CIVILIANS, clearly showing they want to kill this guy so he doesn't stand trial.

He's a murderer. He needs to be brought to justice. So does the LAPD. This supposed "blue line" shouldn't exist.

 

[lacktheknack]

You say they're bad because they might kill people. Fine. Then you say that they're as bad or worse as the guy who has killed and will kill again.

The forum rules won't let me say what I have to say to you.

Also, do you have family in the police?

No? So you don't know how the hierarchy works. You don't know how the cop punishments go down. You don't know how they get worse when the media comes in. You don't know about the mental breakdowns. You don't know about the rotation of cops in situations just like this. You don't know the various methods that the police have, which have been proven to work in the past.

You. Don't. Know.

So why should I, a dude with a cousin and parent involved with the police force, listen to what you theorize the cops will do next? You can claim "but they'll act on human instinct", and I'll claim the same thing. However, I also claim that the human instinct will have shifted to "hold your fire" by this point.

You're making a lot of assumptions right now. But okay. Assuming I didn't personally know several people working in law enforcement...

I really have no problem with the police in general. They tend to do what's in the people's best interest. And due to the nature of their job, I expect them to be of a higher standard than most other people. Anyone who can't hack it should be thrown on their ass.

When something like this happens, someone's been screwing up royally. And the people that are suppose to protect us are not keeping it together. And when you add the possible corruption, I just can't help but find them to be the cause of this whole mess.

The killer should not have gone after the families. But if what he's saying is true, and the LAPD has created an environment where an individual thinks this is the best option, I find the cops to be as guilty as the murderer.

You're right, I am assuming too much.

But so are you.

Who's to say that they made an atmosphere where it "seemed like the best option" (not even going into the intense idiocy of this statement)? Currently, no one. That's what an official investigation is for.

Innocent until proven guilty.

For all we know, the guy is completely off his damn rocker and everything else just painted a bad picture. At any rate, it's really unlikely that it's nearly as bad as the **** with an axe to grind makes it out to be. We won't know for sure until the investigation concludes.

What we DO know is that three people are dead. And people are marginalizing this.

So I think you're crazy for saying the cops are "equally guilty". Surely you can see my reasoning.

I also want the police investigated... LATER. AFTER PEOPLE STOP SIDING WITH A FUCKING SERIAL KILLER AND THEY ARREST HIM.

I agree. Is it siding with him by saying "hey, homeboy might have a point here."?

No. But the amount that people are fastening on it right now is incredibly callous to the victims, and stupid to boot. We can deal with the corruption later, there's something WAY more important happening right now. This is like talking about what new carpet to buy while the kitchen sink has exploded and spraying water everywhere. I always thought that dead people were of highest priority. Not so much, apparently.

And you can't deny people AREN'T siding with the killer. See: Page one of this thread.

You know what? Judging from people's reactions in this thread, I'm starting to think that "violent games desensitize people to violence" has a grain (or more) of truth.

Now you're just creating a straw man. A silly one at that. You know thats not true.

The only reason anyone is sympathizing with this guy is his manifesto. He's painted the narrative of the LAPD being corrupt and racist. LAPD in turns didn't do anything to their benefit by shooting at INNOCENT CIVILIANS, clearly showing they want to kill this guy so he doesn't stand trial.

He's a murderer. He needs to be brought to justice. So does the LAPD. This supposed "blue line" shouldn't exist.

And the fact that people seem to want to bring LAPD to justice before the serial killer is what baffles and alarms me. Going back to the carpet vs sink analogy, what good is changing the carpet if you're going to let water soak it? The guy is KILLING COPS AND THEIR FAMILIES. If we take the long time it takes to fix an inherently corrupt system, he's going to kill more people (within the system we're trying to fix, no less). I think that we should ensure that he won't kill again (fix the sink) BEFORE we get to the problem of corruption (replacing the carpet). And the fact that human lives hang in the balance (mised with the fact that I'm utterly sick of anti-cop sentiments that pervade this forum) is the catalyst that makes me rage about it in the process.

I guess the video games comment was unnecessary. What I was trying to get across is that it seems that no one in this thread gives a rip about human lives, which is very unfortunate on a gaming forum, but it was probably more inflammatory than I meant it to be.

 

[Shadowstar38]

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Psycho's with badges, I feel, are a bigger threat to the world than the guy we have an APB out for. Nothing says we cant go ahead and put them through the justice system while the guys on the force with a brain hunt down the guy they're trying to find.

Nothing is being marginalized. Some posters here just realize there are other things to be worried about here.

 

[lacktheknack]

He's not going postal.. I mean, yeah he sort of is, but if you read his manifesto he's got a shit ton of legit complaints against the LAPD for their corruption and racism.

He's not a pyschopath in the traditional sense.

Yes he is. Complaints aside, you don't kill family members that had exactly zero to do with corruption. He's not a reasonable guy.

Meanwhile the LAPD are firing on innocent civilians in an attempt to kill him.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/ex-cop-manhunt-newspaper-delivery-women-shot.html

Who's the bigger pyschopath? The pyschopath or the guys that are suppose to catch the pyschopath?

That would be the guy intentionally and systematically murdering people.

And yet I'm less scared of him than I am of the ones who are supposed to protecting the people.

Show an ounce of empathy for some policeman's son, daughter, or spouse. Just an ounce. I dare you.

Now see you just assumed I don't. I have sympathy for them the same way I have sympathy for the families all the police and armed forces of any country. The ones I don't have sympathy for are those fucking trigger happy cops. Dude doesn't even have to target anybody anymore, just sit back and watch the LAPD destroy itself. The only reason those four civilians are still alive is because the officers can't aim for shit. Nobody can claim to be reasonable here.

Not what I was getting at.

You say "I'm more terrified of the cops at this point". But face it, you're not THAT scared. You likely don't resemble the suspect, likely don't drive that car, and likely don't do suspicious stuff in broad daylight, and you probably know in the back of your head that the cops are going to be way more careful on who they shoot at now.

However, the family members of the police have no such assurances. They KNOW they're on that hit list, and the only thing that can save them is bringing down the killer right away. They're terrified out of their minds right now, if they're sane. THAT'S what I meant by "show an ounce of sympathy".

And make no mistake, I'm on the cops' side for right now, until the killer is arrested... and then I'm going to do a 180 and demand that investigation be done.

It's just that I (unlike anyone else here, apparently) have a sense of priority and timing.

The timing and the priority should have been before they drove this man away from the law. You honestly think they're going to let him be taken alive? Or that any of his accusations would have been investigated if he had tried going through the "proper" channels?

I have as good a chance to be driving that vehicle, resembling the suspect and doing "something suspicious" as I have being related to Los Angles policeman. And even once this Manhunt has been concluded that the entire city will still be at the mercy of the LAPD. You know what happens when people become so miserable that they lose hope right? They start looking for a way out. And they don't get that far without other people pushing them along.

What, do you live in a movie?

You seriously think there's any way LAPD isn't going to be investigated? They only shot people and have a crazy guy screaming about corruption at them.

I want LAPD investigated as much as anyone. The key here is "LATER". You know, after they've arrested the guy who's gone full-on serial killer. Everyone's going to be screaming for an investigation at this point.

If they don't take him in alive, that's not going to be a point in their favor. In fact, it seems that they're doomed if they kill him, bring him in, or leave him alone.