Los Angeles Manhunt

[lacktheknack]

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Psycho's with badges, I feel, are a bigger threat to the world than the guy we have an APB out for. Nothing says we cant go ahead and put them through the justice system while the guys on the force with a brain hunt down the guy they're trying to find.

Nothing is being marginalized. Some posters here just realize there are other things to be worried about here.

Corruption and taking photos of corpses != psychotic serial killer.

Corruption and taking photos of corpses < psychotic serial killer.

That said, I do agree that they need to be investigated. The rage of a thousand suns I had on page one were directed at incredibly awful comments like this one:

I hope he wins. The fact that the police are shooting up innocent civs just makes him look even righter.

If they can manage an investigation while still holding a sizable manhunt, then go for it. If people were saying that at the outset, I wouldn't have stormed this thread.

 

[Ryotknife]

He's not going postal.. I mean, yeah he sort of is, but if you read his manifesto he's got a shit ton of legit complaints against the LAPD for their corruption and racism.

He's not a pyschopath in the traditional sense.

Yes he is. Complaints aside, you don't kill family members that had exactly zero to do with corruption. He's not a reasonable guy.

Meanwhile the LAPD are firing on innocent civilians in an attempt to kill him.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/ex-cop-manhunt-newspaper-delivery-women-shot.html

Who's the bigger pyschopath? The pyschopath or the guys that are suppose to catch the pyschopath?

That would be the guy intentionally and systematically murdering people.

And yet I'm less scared of him than I am of the ones who are supposed to protecting the people.

Show an ounce of empathy for some policeman's son, daughter, or spouse. Just an ounce. I dare you.

Now see you just assumed I don't. I have sympathy for them the same way I have sympathy for the families all the police and armed forces of any country. The ones I don't have sympathy for are those fucking trigger happy cops. Dude doesn't even have to target anybody anymore, just sit back and watch the LAPD destroy itself. The only reason those four civilians are still alive is because the officers can't aim for shit. Nobody can claim to be reasonable here.

Not what I was getting at.

You say "I'm more terrified of the cops at this point". But face it, you're not THAT scared. You likely don't resemble the suspect, likely don't drive that car, and likely don't do suspicious stuff in broad daylight, and you probably know in the back of your head that the cops are going to be way more careful on who they shoot at now.

However, the family members of the police have no such assurances. They KNOW they're on that hit list, and the only thing that can save them is bringing down the killer right away. They're terrified out of their minds right now, if they're sane. THAT'S what I meant by "show an ounce of sympathy".

And make no mistake, I'm on the cops' side for right now, until the killer is arrested... and then I'm going to do a 180 and demand that investigation be done.

It's just that I (unlike anyone else here, apparently) have a sense of priority and timing.

The timing and the priority should have been before they drove this man away from the law. You honestly think they're going to let him be taken alive? Or that any of his accusations would have been investigated if he had tried going through the "proper" channels?

I have as good a chance to be driving that vehicle, resembling the suspect and doing "something suspicious" as I have being related to Los Angles policeman. And even once this Manhunt has been concluded that the entire city will still be at the mercy of the LAPD. You know what happens when people become so miserable that they lose hope right? They start looking for a way out. And they don't get that far without other people pushing them along.

What, do you live in a movie?

You seriously think there's any way LAPD isn't going to be investigated? They only shot people and have a crazy guy screaming about corruption at them.

I want LAPD investigated as much as anyone. The key here is "LATER". You know, after they've arrested the guy who's gone full-on serial killer. Everyone's going to be screaming for an investigation at this point.

If they don't take him in alive, that's not going to be a point in their favor. In fact, it seems that they're doomed if they kill him, bring him in, or leave him alone.

An investigation? at least one that will actually accomplish something? wouldnt hold my breathe. The LA riots/Rodney King sparked national outrage and the LAPD managed to skate around that one. It is not a few bad apples, it is a corrupt administration. At best you will get a few sacrifices grunts. Power always protects itself, and the administration probably has quite a bit of political clout.

The LAPD will have to do a lot worse than this to get enough negative attention to actually theaten it. Reports of police brutality and excessive force are commonplace for the LAPD on the national news, let alone what the local news reports.

 

[pnts]

I don't understand people saying that this guy's manifesto doesn't paint him as a psycho. He's a living cartoon character, everyone remember the Knight Templar trope? He stated in his manifesto that he should have killed two officers for exercising their right to free speech in an offensive way. He seems to believe he has an inherent right to respect from other people that is so great that it overpowers all our rights to life and liberty. I remember seeing a tv program on the unibomber where the lawyer explained his case for insanity, that, "His brain was tricking him into believing he was someone important to human history," and this man is obviously very sick because he believes it's a noble cause to kill for matters of honor. In that regard he is a barbarian and people like him need to be reformed or just plain not among civilized people (incarcerated). Just because he can write with coherent grammar and spelling does not make his point valid, he is sick, he is not well and he needs help or he needs to be put down.

Allow me to share a part of his manifesto for those who haven't read it.

'he replied, "I'll say it when I want".___, a friend of his also stated he would say ****** when he wanted. At that point I jumped over my front passenger seat and to other officers where I placed my hands around ___'s neck and squeezed. I stated to ___, "don't fucking say that". At that point there was pushing and shoving and we were separated by several other officers. What I should have done was put a Winchester Ranger SXT 9mm 147 grain bullet in his skull and ___'s skull. The Situation would have been resolved effective, immediately.'

He does not hold the appropriate value for human life. His honor above another persons freedom and life. Disgusting. He should have simply reported the officer. He's delusional and pretentious and not the right figure head to take on police corruption.

 

[lacktheknack]

I don't understand people saying that this guy's manifesto doesn't paint him as a psycho. He's a living cartoon character, everyone remember the Knight Templar trope? He stated in his manifesto that he should have killed two officers for exercising their right to free speech in an offensive way. He seems to believe he has an inherent right to respect from other people that is so great that it overpowers all our rights to life and liberty. I remember seeing a tv program on the unibomber where the lawyer explained his case for insanity, that, "His brain was tricking him into believing he was someone important to human history," and this man is obviously very sick because he believes it's a noble cause to kill for matters of honor. In that regard he is a barbarian and people like him need to be reformed or just plain not among civilized people (incarcerated). Just because he can write with coherent grammar and spelling does not make his point valid, he is sick, he is not well and he needs help or he needs to be put down.

Allow me to share a part of his manifesto for those who haven't read it.

'he replied, "I'll say it when I want".___, a friend of his also stated he would say ****** when he wanted. At that point I jumped over my front passenger seat and to other officers where I placed my hands around ___'s neck and squeezed. I stated to ___, "don't fucking say that". At that point there was pushing and shoving and we were separated by several other officers. What I should have done was put a Winchester Ranger SXT 9mm 147 grain bullet in his skull and ___'s skull. The Situation would have been resolved effective, immediately.'

He does not hold the appropriate value for human life. His honor above another persons freedom and life. Disgusting. He should have simply reported the officer. He's delusional and pretentious and not the right figure head to take on police corruption.

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Yeahhhhhh...

What I was saying about him possibly being entirely off his rocker... It's still very possible.

 

[randomsix]

AT LEAST THE POLICE HAVEN'T KILLED ANYONE.

Ah, I remember when I believed this too. They were simpler times.

OT: The thing about police corruption is that it is often just as dangerous as a murderer. If you have a thousand cops 1% more likely to commit murder due to shoddy training or bad leadership, then that will cause more death than this guy has any hope to.

EDIT: And the problem with fixing the corruption is that the thin blue line often makes it impossible.

 

[Happiness Assassin]

This will not end well. It is already going downhill fast, but there is no possible way that he will be brought in alive. If it doesn't end in the way that these sad stories usually end, I don't see the cops trying to take him alive.

 

[Gilhelmi]

It kind of like the film Rambo but instead of a veteran soldier being mistreated, it's just a former cop (with hidden mental problem) going apeshit to the extreme just because they fired him.
Either way I hope they catch him dead or alive, those people shouldn't have been killed just because he had a bad day for being fired.

He's not going postal.. I mean, yeah he sort of is, but if you read his manifesto he's got a shit ton of legit complaints against the LAPD for their corruption and racism.

He's not a pyschopath in the traditional sense.

Yes he is. One of the people he murdered was a woman who was trying to help him at a hearing.

I agree, there is still corruption in the LAPD but going after their families is only going to deepen the corruption. While at the same time, make the corrupt look more innocent.

 

[TaboriHK]

He's not going postal.. I mean, yeah he sort of is, but if you read his manifesto he's got a shit ton of legit complaints against the LAPD for their corruption and racism.

He's not a pyschopath in the traditional sense.

Yes he is. Complaints aside, you don't kill family members that had exactly zero to do with corruption. He's not a reasonable guy.

Meanwhile the LAPD are firing on innocent civilians in an attempt to kill him.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/ex-cop-manhunt-newspaper-delivery-women-shot.html

Who's the bigger pyschopath? The pyschopath or the guys that are suppose to catch the pyschopath?

The bigger psychopath is the one who said, "I didn't get to have a family, so I'm eradicating yours." The LAPD didn't shoot up some civilians because they're crazy, they did it because they're amped up and scared. And both of those things make you do incredibly stupid acts.

 

[MeChaNiZ3D]

Looks like a bit of fun, I'm off to find the manifesto. Honestly, police in all countries have their dull bulbs. I mean, there have been incidents in Australia of tazers being fired something like 40 times on a person. There's no circumstance to merit that. My other gripe is how hard is it to fire at a person in a car? There's only one place they're going to be, in the seat. If it weren't for the poor marksmanship, those paper girls would be dead.

 

[Animyr]

To be clear it wasn't that they were related to "a" police officer. The lady in the couple was the daughter of the officer who was supposed to be his advocate in the disciplinary hearings that he was fired over back in 08.

I know that. But the child simply isn't responsible for the sins of the father. If there are any sins.

 

[runic knight]

Guy gets fired, goes nuts and start killing corrupt cop's family? bad guy.

Cops freak out, start shooting any anything that moves? bad guys.

I say rein them all in.

The guy is off his rocker and even if he is more rational then a psychopath, he is still not right in the head and needs to be stopped. While I can sympathize with his plight in wanting to stop corruption and wanting to clean up the force, the methods used can not be condoned and his actions and words reveal e needs to be stopped.

The police reveal a fear and paranoia that is inexcusable, made all them ore suspicious as it comes directed towards a guy calling them out for corruption. The instant reliance of lethal force before even identification could be made shows a value on killing him over anything else and can easily lead to the belief that they have something more to hide or they know they have far less actual power to stop him then they let on. Either way, I would highly recommend tearing apart and examining the administration, the corruption claims and the management.


Or to put it simply here, both are wrong, both need to be taken care of and even if one may be "worse" then the other, doesn't mean they should be exclusively chosen.

 

[Gregory McMillan]

The police themselves say they are undertrained. On top of that, getting into a real firefight, severely reduces your control on your body. In other news, crazy people want to train teachers in school!

 

[knight steel]

Guy gets fired, goes nuts and start killing corrupt cop's family? bad guy.

Cops freak out, start shooting any anything that moves? bad guys.

I say rein them all in.

The guy is off his rocker and even if he is more rational then a psychopath, he is still not right in the head and needs to be stopped. While I can sympathize with his plight in wanting to stop corruption and wanting to clean up the force, the methods used can not be condoned and his actions and words reveal e needs to be stopped.

The police reveal a fear and paranoia that is inexcusable, made all them ore suspicious as it comes directed towards a guy calling them out for corruption. The instant reliance of lethal force before even identification could be made shows a value on killing him over anything else and can easily lead to the belief that they have something more to hide or they know they have far less actual power to stop him then they let on. Either way, I would highly recommend tearing apart and examining the administration, the corruption claims and the management.


Or to put it simply here, both are wrong, both need to be taken care of and even if one may be "worse" then the other, doesn't mean they should be exclusively chosen.

Dammit ninja stop stealing my thoughts and typing them out before our do >_<
But in all seriousness this a thousand times this!
Both parties are in the wrong and both need to be dealt with correctly.
This means investigation-trials-precaution.
Not shoot kill shoot.

 

[major_chaos]

clearly showing they want to kill this guy so he doesn't stand trial.

You honestly think they're going to let him be taken alive?

Dose it really not occur to either of you that the cops are scared out of there wits because a psychopath is hunting them and their families? a psychopath who has already jumped and killed two officers at a red light? nope it must be the EVUL POLICE covering their HORRIBLE EVUL. because after all the ruthless murdering sociopath says he is justified and his kind are known for being honest and reasonable. I'm not saying these cops shouldn't be investigated, at best they have show that they are too scared to do their job correctly and need to be taken of duty.

OT: IIT: people make excuses for a serial killer because when it comes to police the half the Escapist has a knee jerk reaction so strong it shatters bone. and logic.

 

[Padwolf]

I really hope they catch him soon. The police and their families must be terrified. The police that have shot at civilians do need to be investigated, but not right now. That killer is a psychopath and needs to be stopped before more innocent people get hurt by him. There is corruption in the police force but really killing people is not the way to solve it. Both parties are at fault and no doubt the police will be investigated too once they have caught the psychopath which is the more important thing right now. There is no excuse for a serial killer at all. There is no defending him either, he is doing bad things and would turn and kill you in an instant if you were the family of a police officer.

Dose it really not occur to either of you that the cops are scared out of there wits because a psychopath is hunting them and their families? a psychopath who has already jumped and killed two officers at a red light? nope it must be the EVUL POLICE covering their HORRIBLE EVUL. because after all the ruthless murdering sociopath says he is justified and his kind are known for being honest and reasonable. I'm not saying these cops shouldn't be investigated, at best they have show that they are too scared to do their job correctly and need to be taken of duty.

OT: IIT: people make excuses for a serial killer because when it comes to police the half the Escapist has a knee jerk reaction so strong it shatters bone. and logic.

This I agree with completely. Too much anti-police reactions

 

[Thaluikhain]

It's actually quite interesting to watch how this guy managed to tap into the national consciousness and get everyone to think of him as the classic hero struggling against the system. It's been so effective that everyone's concerned that the evil LAPD has wounded civilians when Dorner actually HAS killed multiple civilians for no better reason, so far as we know, then that they were related to a police officer. I'm sorry, but you can't really fix injustice with injustice. That just makes Dorner as bad if not worse then the organization he's fighting against, regardless of how legitimate or not his complaints may be, and in my opinion he's already invalidated everything he's fighting for.

My two cents, anyway.

Mmmm. Mind you, triggering an excessive response from the authorities to turn the public against them (such as the police shooting up a few random innocents by mistake) is a/the classic method of urban insurrection. In that, he's struck the LAPD a terrible blow, or at least provoked them into striking themselves.

But for him to somehow become a hero...I don't quite fathom that. Mind you, there's a lot of bandit heroes in folklore (glorified murderer Ned Kelly comes to mind), but I think it helps that they've been safely dead for decades, I'd like to think that sexy Nazi costumes weren't popular during WW2 (though it annoys me nowdays as well).

 

[DudeistBelieve]

clearly showing they want to kill this guy so he doesn't stand trial.

You honestly think they're going to let him be taken alive?

Dose it really not occur to either of you that the cops are scared out of there wits because a psychopath is hunting them and their families? a psychopath who has already jumped and killed two officers at a red light? nope it must be the EVUL POLICE covering their HORRIBLE EVUL. because after all the ruthless murdering sociopath says he is justified and his kind are known for being honest and reasonable. I'm not saying these cops shouldn't be investigated, at best they have show that they are too scared to do their job correctly and need to be taken of duty.

OT: IIT: people make excuses for a serial killer because when it comes to police the half the Escapist has a knee jerk reaction so strong it shatters bone. and logic.

First off, Mass Killer.

They're police, not soldiers. they are not allowed to go off half-cocked and get a drop on a suspect. If their nerves are so rattled that they are a danger to themselves or others they should stay home.