Lost respect to todays youth

[MasterOfWorlds]

I wouldn't be scared off by the sound of a shotgun being cocked. If I wasn't doing anything to aggravate anyone (my ground state of being) then I would assume it had nothing to do with me (I'm in Britain so we don't have shotgun wielding people) - if it was fired then I would work out where the shot came from, get to dead ground and phone the police.

If I was aggravating someone then I would back off slowly or stand still and apologise. There is no reason for me to 'run for the hills'; unless you are a psychopath or a lunatic.

I would assume from what these kids are doing that they would not cause you harm on purpose - remember, it's been repeatedly done - so if I was doing it then you could not 'shoot until it stops moving'. That's murder and wouldn't be defending yourself as it appears that when the adult left the house they stopped throwing; therefore weren't attacking you, so you couldn't defend yourself as there was nothing to defend from. It would also be undue force - i.e. overreacting.

OT: I'm a member of today's youth and I don't do stuff like that - can't see why you've lost respect for me.

If I leave the house with the shotgun and cock it, and you stop what you're doing, then I'm going to assume you're no longer a threat. So the problem is solved. It's not like I'd just start shooting regardless of whether they stopped or not. If I'm outside of the house and you continue, I'm going to shoot you, period. If it's a repeated offense, and I didn't for whatever reason pull a gun the first time, I'd pull it just to get the point across that I don't want you on my property or throwing anything at it. If they want a thrill, do it somewhere else. Unless the want to adrenaline rush of having buckshot or slugs coming really fast in their direction.

You seem to be missing the point, if you're on my property and throwing something at my home, I'm going to get you off my property somehow. If it's because I scared you off or the cops remove you, great. I'm not going to be shy about sending you away in a bodybag either if neither of those work though. Because if you don't scare off, or otherwise stop whatever it is that made me come out in the first place, I'm going to assume you mean harm. If you are afraid that someone is going to cause you harm, and is on your property, especially if they're on your property, especially in the US, you can react with force.

Besides, they make birdshot and rocksalt shot for shotguns, not to mention beanbag rounds. So there are varying methods to shoot people withouth lethal damage. Me though, I shoot to kill, whether it's cardboard, hunting, or a person, I'm shooting until it's dead.

 

[MasterOfWorlds]

Unlikely considering I live in the US. You know, if you bought a can of wasp spray, the ones that can spray 20 feet or so, and a lighter, you could do short bursts of flame to scare the hell out of them. XD

You might laugh, but it's actually very effective at scaring away people you don't want getting close to you. I recommend it for women that often drive along in their cars as well.

Have you ever actually done this?!?! So much could go wrong so fast. The very fact that you would suggest that some women should use this is preposterously hilarious. Thank you for genuinely making me laugh

I've done it, but never at anyone, and always in a controlled environment so nothing could go wrong other than the flame going back into the can. But yeah, I say it mostly as a joke, but the real fact of the matter is that there is something of a primal fear of fire...especially if it's coming at you and the person behind it has no reason to care for you wellbeing.

 

[Cowabungaa]

I'm just repeating what oh so many people have been saying; kids have been doing shit like thit since kids exist. And getting worked up about is what people in general have been doing since people exist. Just like wailing that they're the last generation that'll ever walk the earth.

People will always be people, whether they're kids or adults. Shrug it off.

Anyone throws stuff at my house and I go outside with my shotgun. If they don't run for the hills when I cock it, I start shooting until it stops moving. I have good aim, so it won't take much.

And then you'd get arrested for manslaughter or something along those lines. No judge or jury on earth would keep your ass out of some serious jailtime. Reacting with force ain't the same as murder afterall. Killing youngsters for pulling children's pranks. Funny you.

And if they don't run at the sound of a gun being cocked and loaded, they're probably there for more than "minor vandalism." For that matter, if anyone anywhere doesn't feel the need to not be in the immediate area of the sound of a gun being loaded and cocked, unless it's a shooting range, there's something wrong with them and/or are probably intent to harm you. If the cocking of a shotgun isn't enough to scare them off, I'm going to assume they're there to hurt me. I find that a reasonable assumption considering that it's a universal sound that translates roughly to "I'm about to blow a golfball sized hole in your chest."

It's called calling your bluff. Kids do that, especially around the teenage age. It's the whole hormones/proving one's manhood thing. Especially as lots of them realise the thing I said above.

Me though, I shoot to kill, whether it's cardboard, hunting, or a person, I'm shooting until it's dead.

Ever killed someone before? Looked them straight in the eye and shot them?

 

[MasterOfWorlds]

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In order: No, it's not manslaughter or any other such crime because they're on my property and throwing potentially deadly objects at my house, which I have the expectation of both safety and privacy. Also, if they don't run, hit the dirt, or show any other signs of stopping throwing whatever it is at my house/me if I step outside, especially after they see the gun, I'm assuming they're a bigger threat than simply some kids throwing rocks.

Have you ever had a gun pointed at you? I have, and it was loaded, I don't care how bulletproof you might think you are before it happens, it's a sobering experience. When you have a loaded gun's business end pointed at you, you're not exactly thinking about the legality of the other person's actions, because chances are, if they're pointing a gun at you, they're either damned sure that the law is on their side or just don't care.

Not yet, but I'm starting to see who my first victims might be. XD

In all seriousness though, no, I haven't killed anyone before and sincerely hope that I never have to. But don't think for a second I would hesitate to kill someone with a gun or otherwise if I thought my life was in danger. I'd have difficulty living with it, but I'd rather have nightmares than have some punk kill me because I wanted to give him an extra second or two to rethink their actions. If the gun doesn't scare you off or otherwise make you stop, you're a threat. Period.

 

[MelasZepheos_v1legacy]

I couldn't lose respect for today's youth, because I can't define who today's youth are.

I'm 21, and pretty much see anyone below about 18 as being part of the 'youth of today', but I know people in their mid-20s who see me as part of 'the youth of today,' and know that my 17 year old sister would consider anyone below 14 to constitute 'the youth of today.'

You see my dilemma? When I can't even identify clearly who it is I'm supposed to be losing respect for, especially when I might be caught up in the definition myself, it just seems ridiculous and farcical to even make the claim.

Our parents lost respect in us, our gradnparents lost respect in our parents, the older generation always always always feels like the youth of the day are inferior and wrong and bad in some way.

And don't try and claim that the youth of today are anything special in terms of their badness either. My parents grew up in the 60s and 70s, and according to them, gang culture back then literally meant joining the mob in your later life. You weren't just being street vandals, you were preparing for a life of organised crime, not random dicking around. Anyone who responds to that by saying anything positive about 'organised' gang culture being somehow better is a moron.

 

[Jimbo1212]

Todays kids are the most stupid and arrogant kids ever born. On top of this they are also self destructive as I have seen 10 yr olds try to start fights with 18 yr olds. No other creature does this as they know that they would get slaughtered if they were top pick on someone so much bigger. Personally I think we should drop the law protecting kids for a month and let nature sort them out.

Well, no we shouldn't. Kids will be kids. Always have been. They're stupid, young, ignorant, and immature. It isn't just today's youth, kids since the beginning of time have been mischievous little fucks. Every now and then you'll come across a quite one or two who wisens up pretty quick and never does anything wrong, but most of them are still incredibly mischievous. Those rules and laws are in place to protect them; most, no matter how intelligent they ultimately become, want to get in trouble because they find it fun and get a rush out of it.

I would disagree.
Kids will be kids, but today's youth take it to a whole new level of stupid, arrogant, and immature. It also shows a problem within our society of supplying kids with entertainment or parents controlling their children. In the past if a child did something wrong, then they would be punished eg. smacked or something that got the message across that what the did was wrong and will not be tolerated. But nowadays for some unknown reason everything has to be tolerated and kids will get away with murder which leads them to grow up into antisocial idiots who contribute nothing to society.

 

[Cowabungaa]

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That still doesn't give you the right to automatically kill. If some kids throw rocks at your home and stand there swaggering when you run out with a shotgun, I'm pretty sure no judge anywhere would say that those are justifiable reasons to comit homicide. Killing in home defence can be justified, but you try explaining to a judge that it's okay to shoot some darn kids because they called your bluff.

I also sincerly doubt you wouldn't hestitate to kill them. If you ask me, that's tough talk. Even lots of soldiers have massive troubles with it, and they're trained to do so. Drilled to kill.

But no, I never had a gun pointed at me. Had a knife held against my belly though, I reckon that's a comparable experience, the fear of getting your gut slit open or your head blown off.

I would disagree.
Kids will be kids, but today's youth take it to a whole new level of stupid, arrogant, and immature. It also shows a problem within our society of supplying kids with entertainment or parents controlling their children. In the past if a child did something wrong, then they would be punished eg. smacked or something that got the message across that what the did was wrong and will not be tolerated. But nowadays for some unknown reason everything has to be tolerated and kids will get away with murder which leads them to grow up into antisocial idiots who contribute nothing to society.

They've been saying exactly that since the times of Ancient Greece. Plato whined about it, they whined about it in Medieval times, etc. You're really no different. But that's okay, it's human to do so.

 

[MasterOfWorlds]

That still doesn't give you the right to automatically kill. If some kids throw rocks at your home and stand there swaggering when you run out with a shotgun, I'm pretty sure no judge anywhere would say that those are justifiable reasons to comit homicide. Killing in home defence can be justified, but you try explaining to a judge that it's okay to shoot some darn kids because they called your bluff.

I also sincerly doubt you wouldn't hestitate to kill them. If you ask me, that's tough talk. Even lots of soldiers have massive troubles with it, and they're trained to do so. Drilled to kill.

But no, I never had a gun pointed at me. Had a knife held against my belly though, I reckon that's a comparable experience, the fear of getting your gut slit open or your head blown off.

You're still missing the point, it's not like I would go out there and immediately start shooting. Having them see you cock the gun lends a realism to it that most people miss. Whether or not you doubt that I would hesitate is irrelevent. They're on my property, they're throwing things at my house, I don't want them on my property, and if they don't stop when I come outside, let alone when I cock the gun, they're a threat. I'm going to see them as a threat if they continue. Note that the kids in the OP stopped when the guy came out. If they stop, then we have no problems. If they don't, the gun gets cocked. If they still do it, they're getting off of my property if it's in handcuffs or a bodybag.

If they run or otherwise stop before I start shooting, all the better. If it takes me firing my gun to get them to run off, they're there to hurt me and that's the assumption I'm working off of. Especially since it's probably dark and there are more of them than there is of me.

If it would make you feel any better, I could also head towards them with any of my swords. If I take a swing, it's not guaranteed that I'd hit them, but then that put me in danger of possibly being surrounded and beaten by the group of thugs who decided that it was a good idea to vandalize my property in the first place, since they obviously attribute no value to anything.

 

[Crazy_Dude]

when has anyone older ever had any respect for those younger? Join the club, i havent had any respect to those younger than me ever since i first became a senior at any thing.

Respect is earned, not given.

That might be a little hypocrytical. Just because you are older then others doesnt mean you deserve more respect. And neither because people are younger then you they deserve less respect.

I know a 27 year old father and he is a total dickwad and an idiot I have zero respect for the guy and feel sorry for his young son.

Respect has nothing to do with age it is given based on the way you act towards other people regardless of age.

 

[Cowabungaa]

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I know that's your way of thinking, but a judge and jury don't really look at it like that. Neither does the law itself I reckon. I'd like to see you try to explain to a judge that some meddlin' kids weren't scared of you cocking your gun when they were screwing around (which is the scenario we're talking about in this topic), so that meant that they were a threat and you had the right to kill them. Again, you're forgetting about the whole teenagers-are-drowned-in-hormones-that-make-them-cocky thing. Judges won't forget about that.

Also, I'd go for the swords myself. Looks more insane.

 

[MasterOfWorlds]

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I know that's your way of thinking, but a judge and jury don't really look at it like that. Neither does the law itself I reckon. I'd like to see you try to explain to a judge that some meddlin' kids weren't scared of you cocking your gun when they were screwing around (which is the scenario we're talking about in this topic), so that meant that they were a threat and you had the right to kill them. Again, you're forgetting about the whole teenagers-are-drowned-in-hormones-that-make-them-cocky thing. Judges won't forget about that.

Also, I'd go for the swords myself. Looks more insane.

I also have a sledgehammer, bow, jo staff, and a lot of really sharp kitchen knives. I'd use an axe, but the one I have is really more of a logspitter.

Hmm...Maybe if I used a rifle and shot at the ground in between their feet? XD

I still disagree with you, but we're doing nothing but going in circles, so let's not flood this thread anymore, agreed?

 

[Cowabungaa]

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Well, actually there's not much to disagree with. Or agree with on my part. The law's there, right there for us to look it up and check for a fact who of us in right in this particular situation. Our opinion, technically, doesn't have to matter here. Somehow I think though, that both of us are too lazy for that. So yeah, lets just hope it never comes to the situation that you have to explain yourself for something like that, even if you are right.

I wonder though, where on earth do you live? Not just your country, mind you, my gut tells me that's America. I mean really, guns, blades, bows, logsplitters. Sounds like a farm. Mind you, not trying to say that you're just a stupid hick with mental issues, just wondering where you'd need all that stuff.

But honestly now, given the situation presented in the OP, would you really shoot such stupid kids if they would keep swaggering? Really? A bunch of kids acting like idiots? I mean, that'd make me think; who's more dangerous, a bunch of kids being stupid kids, or someone who wouldn't hestitate to shoot kids being stupid kids.

 

[MasterOfWorlds]

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Well, actually there's not much to disagree with. Or agree with on my part. The law's there, right there for us to look it up and check for a fact who of us in right in this particular situation. Our opinion, technically, doesn't have to matter here. Somehow I think though, that both of us are too lazy for that. So yeah, lets just hope it never comes to the situation that you have to explain yourself for something like that, even if you are right.

I wonder though, where on earth do you live? Not just your country, mind you, my gut tells me that's America. I mean really, guns, blades, bows, logsplitters. Sounds like a farm.

But honestly now, given the situation presented in the OP, would you really shoot such stupid kids if they would keep swaggering? Really? A bunch of kids acting like idiots? I mean, that'd make me think; who's more dangerous, a bunch of kids being stupid kids, or someone who wouldn't hestitate to shoot kids being stupid kids.

In live in Florida, which is in the US. No, I don't live on a farm. I actually live in a nice sized little city with about 150,000 people. And honestly, given that the rocks weren't even breaking the windows, unless I missed that in the OP, I would just go out there and yell at them to GTFO or the cops would be called. Now, if they were breaking windows with the rocks they were throwing, I'd be grabbing the gun, and would probably get off in court with not much more than a slap on the wrist and asked not to do it again because Florida has this thing called the "Castle Law" which allows you to shoot someone dead if they're on your property and you don't want them there. Of course, there's more to it than that, but not much more. It helps if they're throwing shit at your house though. XD

 

[Cowabungaa]

In live in Florida, which is in the US. No, I don't live on a farm. I actually live in a nice sized little city with about 150,000 people. And honestly, given that the rocks weren't even breaking the windows, unless I missed that in the OP, I would just go out there and yell at them to GTFO or the cops would be called. Now, if they were breaking windows with the rocks they were throwing, I'd be grabbing the gun, and would probably get off in court with not much more than a slap on the wrist and asked not to do it again because Florida has this thing called the "Castle Law" which allows you to shoot someone dead if they're on your property and you don't want them there. Of course, there's more to it than that, but not much more. It helps if they're throwing shit at your house though. XD

Ah, well that changes things. The other reason I wondered about where you lived, is that on a farm your property extends quite a bit from your actual house. I'd reckon that in a city it wouldn't be much of an issue to throw rocks from the street, which means they wouldn't be on your property.

But in that more extreme scenario I wouldn't blame you of course, and regardless of the law I'd be on your side. Pissing about is one thing, throwing in windows is quite a bit more violent in nature.

 

[TheLaofKazi]

Every generation says the younger generation is getting worse.

There are reasons people do things. Look for them, try to understand them. I'm not saying what they did was justified, for most intensive purposes, those kids were being jerks. But if you look at the bigger picture, nobody really is an asshole or a bad person. I know their actions must have pissed you off, it probably would have pissed me off too, but don't let that just manifest into pointless righteous indignation and hate. Blaming people or just saying a group of them are "terrible," does nothing, understanding the factors that cause behavior and coming up with a solution, does.

Thats actually kind of funny, getting a thrill being chased. Kinda sad at the same time too.

Thrills come from Living, but unfortunately modern society is against living.

Absolutely true.

Like I said, there are reasons why people do things. The fact that modern society forces what are really hunter-gathers into the mold of a mundane, stagnant life, may be the reason people act out. We no longer have to run from predators and hunt necessarily. The natural factors that made our blood rush and hearts beat are no longer there, so we create our own stimulation through other things and outlets. People go to concerts and parties, they get into fights, they vandalize, they play video games, play sports, and many others things. People need an outlet, and if they don't have one, they will make one. Sometimes that outlet can be healthy, fun and even productive, such as playing music (that's what I usually do). Sometimes they're not. I think the solution lies in giving people healthy ways to express their energy and feel alive.

So I say we start a spontaneous, city-wide game of tag. And while we're at it, let's dress up like clowns too. Clown tag. Yeah.

 

[Canid117]

Say that you would and next time they come around shoot em with a paint ball gun.

 

[Azaraxzealot]

Send em to me, I'll chase em.... If they can out run my 3 1/2in 00 buckshot I'll offer them a second chance to run if they want. I don't fuck around with people trying to throw rocks at me or my house, just like that Grandma awhile back.

Care to guess how many people throw rocks at my house?
Well.... I'm not behind bars yet.

instead of buckshot, fill the shells with rock salt. my grandpa told me about that.

 

[Weskerbot3000]

This is why you keep a shotgun on hand. If their parents don't instill the fear of god in them, you should