Mac vs. PC and no, this is not a poll, kinda

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devotedsniper

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zyzz said:
With their lack of 6+ core processors and low clock speeds, macs have no advantage over PCs for the "arty" type.
+1, i totally agree with this statement, I'm sure Macs are fine and everything but when it comes down to the facts PC's are alot more powerful, alot cheaper and any software needed for the "arty" is usually available on PC too, e.g. Adobe Master Suite.
 

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Shadow-Phoenix said:
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Are Mac's better for use in art design or PC? i forget.
They probably develop that pony show using Microsoft operating systems :-D
Well frankly i dunno but it's flash based so could be any XD.

They're identical for the creative industry these days. Anyone who says different is talking out of their ass or just woke up from a coma that lasted 12+ years.
 

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I actually think macs are pretty good for elderly people who can't use PC's, and even just people who hardly use their computer. Besides that audience I believe PC's are far superior,

There's obviously the games thing that people have already bought up, But there's also a plethora of other problems with them, Ill only go into one though because frankly... Im tired

First there's no customization options, With Macs you get what you by and have to deal with it, With a PC you can open it up and change whatever you want, also when something in a Mac breaks... There's really nothing you can do about it, In a PC just buy a new part and stick it in
 

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Joshimodo said:
Shadow-Phoenix said:
Annoying Turd said:
Shadow-Phoenix said:
Are Mac's better for use in art design or PC? i forget.
They probably develop that pony show using Microsoft operating systems :-D
Well frankly i dunno but it's flash based so could be any XD.

They're identical for the creative industry these days. Anyone who says different is talking out of their ass or just woke up from a coma that lasted 12+ years.
well that means i don't have to buy a Mac afterall i thought a lot of people were making sense but just turns out they were damn hipsters.
 

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Macs are inferior in the sense that you pay more for the same hardware. I still prefer the MacOS personally. But PC's are no doubt better for gaming. Of course modern macs can boot camp so at least they can run the software now, but you can piece together or even buy a more capable Dell (yuck) for gaming at less than half the price of a competent Mac tower. The only Macs I'll ever buy again are laptops, where the asking price is at least closer to the actual value of the hardware, but then, tho a modern Mac laptop will likely not be a slouch for gaming, the compromises of being a laptop still make a cheap PC tower more desirable.

I see people discussing the creative field, I'd have to chime in I agree, Macs have lost their edge, if they ever deservedly had one. My MBP started acting a fool for its main purpose- music production- so I set up my music software on my gaming rig, which turned out to be quite a capable music station. The intel i7 is powerful enough that I'll max out my HDD and RAM before I run out of processor power. Which means more synths woo! Macs have these chips now, but I'm sure I paid a lot less for it when building the PC.
 

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I am personally a Windows, I just like the quantity over the admittedly better quality Macs have, and I find Macs overpriced compared to some of the Windows desktop that will suit my needs just as well, even better, because I can find that one game I really like that I can't play on the Mac on it.

I don't really think all macs suck, and I don't know anyone who does.

Kind of off-topic, but Ipads are ripoffs, just get an Itouch for way cheaper.

My dad did mention that it is harder to use the whatever-it-is-called thing where you use code on Windows because of all the accessories, and it is just altogether a better design for the mac/linux/unix programming-wise.
 

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Shadow-Phoenix said:
well that means i don't have to buy a Mac afterall i thought a lot of people were making sense but just turns out they were damn hipsters.

Even if you really wanted to use a Mac-only piece of software (there aren't many, and the Adobe suite beats them all anyway) such as Pixelmator, you can just set up a dual-boot operating system and have OSX as a choice when you turn your computer on. Instant Mac at a fraction of the price.



braincore02 said:
Macs have lost their edge, if they ever deservedly had one.
They certainly did have an edge. They were the only choice in the 80s, and the only sensible choice in the 90s (for the creative industry, I mean). Apple was also a much more user-centric and friendly company back then as well. All of that has changed, however.
 

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Koroviev said:
I'm running Gnome 2.x. Unity quickly lost its novelty (and not to mention revealed itself to be antithetical to productivity
Yeah, I have Unity on a netbook at home, and it works nicely for that, but as far as a dual screen "poweruser" setup goes, it really doesn't feel like the system for that (not to mention my personal dislike of the left hand bar... thing). The unified menu/window bar system would drive me nuts in no time (I have occasions I'll tile or otherwise move my windows, and I hate my menus disappearing out of sight). Never liked it when I first saw it on a mac, and still don't like it now :D.

Not seen Gnome 3, but that does sound bad. We're not all going to touchscreens y'know... especially us coders who spend most of our time typing, and don't want to be lumbered into using another peripheral mid-flow.
 

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tharglet said:
especially us coders who spend most of our time typing, and don't want to be lumbered into using another peripheral mid-flow.
Typing is just so much easier than using a touch pad for me, it is so easy to use.
^_^
 

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tharglet said:
Koroviev said:
I'm running Gnome 2.x. Unity quickly lost its novelty (and not to mention revealed itself to be antithetical to productivity
Yeah, I have Unity on a netbook at home, and it works nicely for that, but as far as a dual screen "poweruser" setup goes, it really doesn't feel like the system for that (not to mention my personal dislike of the left hand bar... thing). The unified menu/window bar system would drive me nuts in no time (I have occasions I'll tile or otherwise move my windows, and I hate my menus disappearing out of sight). Never liked it when I first saw it on a mac, and still don't like it now :D.

Not seen Gnome 3, but that does sound bad. We're not all going to touchscreens y'know... especially us coders who spend most of our time typing, and don't want to be lumbered into using another peripheral mid-flow.
Yes, it strikes me as odd that the newest interfaces have been designed with touch-screen-user ease-of-access in mind over that of more standard users.
 

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I prefer PC, because I like freedom :p

Bit of a joke and yet not, a blank PC is open to your every whim but ofcourse it takes some knowledge of what to do with it, and that is where Apple comes in for everyone who fears knowledge.
 

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Koroviev said:
Yes, it strikes me as odd that the newest interfaces have been designed with touch-screen-user ease-of-access in mind over that of more standard users.
Most likely because your "average" user will be a touch-screen user in the future. With the net, most people only type short things these days imo (if they actually contribute) so it works for them.
Still, doesn't mean us typers are gonna all go away. Just need a way of stopping all the interface writers from jumping on the darned bandwagon.
 

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tharglet said:
Koroviev said:
Yes, it strikes me as odd that the newest interfaces have been designed with touch-screen-user ease-of-access in mind over that of more standard users.
Most likely because your "average" user will be a touch-screen user in the future. With the net, most people only type short things these days imo (if they actually contribute) so it works for them.
Still, doesn't mean us typers are gonna all go away. Just need a way of stopping all the interface writers from jumping on the darned bandwagon.
Have never been a fan of touch screens myself. I prefer using the command shell when and where possible. Typing is just more efficient in my mind. Also, my perfectionist tendencies mean that I can scarcely ever find peace with a touch screen. Fingers and screens are not compatible! Oh how I wish...
 

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Conza said:
quad core i7 since you're gaming
multi-core benefits very few games. save money and play better with a large cache, high speed, single or dual-core processor.
 

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i really have no problems with either pc or mac both of them can get me internet access, help with doing study, look up the stuff i need to look up. they both sit on a desk all day long (or school bag) and are there when needed. i am a pc user but wouldnt really care if i had pc or mac just wont pay the price for a mac and i havent had any problems with any windows pc ive had for the entire time ive been using computers (about 9 years).

when you get down to it its just a matter of choice pc users use pc, mac users use mac...simple...just could really do without mac users being so effing snide and holier than thou about paying money for a machine that will do basically the same things that a pc can do...and i am also tired of other pc users that will actually take the time to react to these smug people by saying how much better they can make their pc by building a computer themselves...not everyone can.

its all just plastic, cables and electricity to me
 

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This is a little outdated, but I think it is still legit criticism. I don't own a mac, for various reasons, so I don't know how many of these things have been corrected, but still, here you are:

 

Yopaz

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Fun fact: a Mac is a PC.
But for the sake of discussion:

I use a custom built PC. I chose every component myself down to the speed on the RAM. When you can pick any component ever on a Mac I will say they're equal.
There's also the difference in price, the difference in freedom (OS BiOS those kinda things), game compatibility. I got no reason to have a Mac since I don't do things that have to do with pictures, video or any other kind of editing. I wont say they're crappy. They're well built, sturdy, fast, got a sweet looking OS, but it's not for me.
 

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Lol, this can only go well. I'll keep it civil. Apply a big, fat "IMO" to everything I'm about to say:

Story time! I'll start with the computers I've used over the years.

I used PCs at home for the vast majority of my life. The first family computers were DOS only. Then along came Windows 3.1, 95, 98, etc... My first computer was a hand-me-down of some sort. It had 32mb of RAM, a sub-100mhz processor, and cumulatively maybe 3gb of HD space (spread out over multiple drives). Later, that computer was upgraded to Windows 98. That was a mistake for two reasons. The computer genuinely couldn't handle it very well. And, as I found out on my subsequent computer (with a screaming 500mhz processor and a whopping 64mb of RAM), Windows 98 was an unstable piece of shit. After a big upgrade, I moved onto Windows 2000, which I'll maintain was probably the best release of Windows I've ever used. XP came after that, then Windows 7... each on a different computer.

As for Mac stuff, I used them at school throughout elementary school (those black and white, all in one Mac Classics) and junior high school (mostly iMacs). Since late 2008, I've also been the proud owner of an aluminum unibody Macbook. And, that Macbook has confirmed to me that I want very little to do with Windows anymore. That's quite an accomplishment, considering I absolutely LOATHED those Macs I used at school back in the day. Unstable, slow pieces of crap. When Windows 98 looks good compared to OS 8 and 9... you know you're using one shitty-ass operating system. In my younger, less mature days, I was pretty vocal about the fact that I hated the damn things. And, only until the last few years did I realize that OS X simply wasn't comparable to the crap I'd used in grade school.

One day, fixing something that was inevitably going wrong with my PC desktop, I realized something. Microsoft, as an entity, is responsible for more hours of frustration in my life than absolutely anything else. Cumulatively, I'd probably spent a good year of my life just fixing these fucking computers. Upon realizing that, I decided that I'd give a Mac a try when I got a laptop (though that still took a while to happen). My friend got a Macbook Pro (previous generation), and I was pretty impressed with it. OS X definitely wasn't the Mac OS I hated so much at school. It blew XP out of the water. Completely. It was fast, the interface was brilliantly designed, and so stable. A few months later, I got my Macbook. I've also kept my Windows desktop around, and upgraded it to Windows 7 when it was released. Honestly, I barely use the desktop anymore. It basically exists to store large files on its many big hard drives, or play games. That's it. And, really, I play most games on my PS3 these days as well. So, I might sell it, or I might keep using it until it's useless. Windows 7 is alright. It's definitely one of Microsoft's better efforts. But, considering how little time I spend using that computer, I still spend a helluva lot of time troubleshooting random crap. In terms of software efficiency, I find it pretty telling that my little Macbook with a much less powerful processor still manages to do everything except games faster than that desktop. I've always run a lean Windows install. Never more than 3 or 4 icons sitting in the taskbar. I'd always avoid installing all kinds of un-necessary software that would just serve to fill the registry with garbage. On top of that, I'd usually end up reformatting every year or so, just to keep everything running smoothly. I put dramatically less effort into keeping OS X neat and tidy, and yet it still runs faster. And, the interface on Snow Leopard is just glorious. I do everything a lot faster on the Macbook. It has nothing to do with familiarity. It's just a really well designed interface. So, I've made the proverbial switch, I guess. And I'm not looking back. If I'm ever dissatisfied with what Macs have become, I'm much more likely to switch to Linux than back to Windows.

This does mark a fundamental change in how I view computing. I'm sure one of the main reasons I kept using Windows all those years was just so I could play games. Now that my interest in PC gaming is waning (and the main titles I'm interested in are available for OS X anyway), I don't have much incentive to own a Windows machine. I built the majority of the desktops I own. I've built loads of computers for my friends or parents. I definitely know what I'm doing when it comes to all that. I just don't want to do it anymore. All that effort gets me dick all in the end. I'd rather spend a bit more money on a well built, well designed computer with a rock-solid operating system on it. This Macbook is going on three years old now, and it hasn't caused me any troubles. The battery still holds the same charge it did when I bought it. And I brought it to university with me literally every day for two years (usually without an AC adapter). I've never owned such a reliable and nice to use computer.

I don't care what other people use. And, really, if you're into PC gaming, you need Windows. It's a perfectly serviceable operating system. Not everyone wants to spend the so-called "Apple Tax". Fair enough. But, I've made my preferences pretty clear by now.

Edit: Do feel like addressing a few of the typical Mac criticisms.

- No right click: They've had right click for years now. It was lame that they didn't. But, it really isn't an issue anymore.

- Overpriced: Depends on what you want. You will always be able to build a computer with comparable hardware (ie. CPU, RAM, GPU, etc...) for less money than you'll be able to get from Apple. No argument there. What differentiates Apple products is build quality. Arguably not as big of a deal for a desktop. But, a huge deal for a laptop. A well built laptop will always cost a few hundred bucks more. Look at a Lenovo Thinkpad. They're consistently considered to be among the toughest, best built laptops out there. And note that they definitely cost a fair bit more than your typical 600 dollar HP from Best Buy. They might have similar hardware, but one will last for years. The other, speaking from experience, will be lucky to last 3 years. Same thing applies to Apple. They cost more, but they last. Don't get me wrong, there are exceptions. The old polycarbonate Macbooks definitely had their problems. But, the current lineup definitely ranks among the Thinkpads of the computing world. So, it's really a matter of priorities. If you want power but don't want to spend a lot, don't buy a Mac. No argument there. But, to say Macs are overpriced isn't really accurate. They're overpriced if you don't want what they offer. But, they're worth every penny if you do.

- Creative stuff: I'm reasonably inclined to agree with the majority here. To say Macs are universally better for creative applications isn't that accurate. Windows definitely isn't lacking in options there. You can get the same Adobe creative suite for either platform. And, having used Photoshop on Windows for years, I can comfortably say it usually worked pretty well. That said, Apple does offer some pretty good applications. Logic, from what I've experienced, is pretty glorious. Though, there are loads of Windows alternatives (of varying quality). Though, seeing my graphic designer friend work in CS5 on his Macbook Pro is quite a sight. He zips through everything at lightning speed, making heavy use of all the OS' unique features. So, if I had to guess, the interface is probably the main appeal to such users at this point. Not to say that Windows can't handle the same applications admirably.
 

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Mac is a pc with osx. Ever since Apple stopped using PowerPCs the term mac has been just a marketing word. OSX can be run on a pc with a little effort and the right hardware...

Just thought I'd bring this up.