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gnarf

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to say that Macs are higher quality is wrong, if windows were only installed on 3 different models of hardware and the hardware manufacturers weren't allowed to create extra options and customizations then sure windows would probably have the same quality illusion that Macs have. hardware is hardware you buy good hardware for your PC and it'll last you forever, buy low end crap and you'll have crap. I refuse to pay a premium for image (also why i don't own an ipod)
 

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Bobzer77 said:
There was once a time when a P.C and a Mac would share a desk together.
Lies.
Back when that was theoretically possible, both platforms took enough desk space to fill the whole damn thing.:)
 

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Although I am a windows user, there is one misconception I would like to clear up about the Apple price and the "quality"

As explained to me by a friend who is an engineer at Apple, when Apple orders say 1000 CPU's from intel, intel makes a batch of 10,000 to fulfill all their orders. Rather then just send out the first 1000 to Apple, Apple sends a representative to hand pick the 1000 from the batch. We all know manufacturing defects happen so this is another step in Apples quality control that contributes to the higher cost.
 

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I've seen someone else say this here or somewhere else:
"Since when are solid blocks of aluminium as cheap as plastic?"

I have both a Mac and a PC, both laptops as I am a student and portability in one form or another is important to me.
Sony 16.1 inch PC for main use at home and playing the odd game that doesn't appear on xbox.
Apple MacBook Air for school use/working/travel.

Even though the PC is a Sony and has at least double the power of the mac it was about 8-900 euros cheaper. However if I could only keep one it would be the mac. Why? Detail.

Simple things like the track pad. most track pads are innoperable over long sessions (Sony) or just downright crap (netbooks). MacBook Air track pad is a joy to use, better than a mouse at times, particularly when web browsing. The aluminium casing feels nice to the touch, it feels like a quality product as oppposed to sheets of cut open weelie bin plastic that make up most PCs.

Those are just 2 things (out of a long list), but to me they make a big difference. Sure you can sit there and dis the specs all day and say you could by 5 netbooks or a massive gaming rig for the price of a macbook air but that's not the point. The point is that it is a design statement that combines asthetic beauty with power and practicality. It's not for everyone, it's not the most powerful, its not the most practical, its probably not the most beautifull either. But it scores highly in all categories with ease.

Just beacuse something is more expensive doesn't automatically make it a "waste of money"

Many "gamers" buy into their own "lifestyle" with LED lights in their custom builds and buy custom faceplates for their xbox, or have 4 PS3's all in different editions. Is this adding anything to the "system" the amount of power you can generate? no of course not, so why are people who pay for an actual quality substance (aluminium) regarded to be a bunch of lifestyle posers? Is every person who custom builds a computer with flashy lights and pays a fortune for special editions of games so they can get a 10 cent plastic figurine just a silly sweaty nerd?
 

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Jaded Scribe said:
Macs are great for creative work, such as photo-editing, creating computer artwork, music/sound mixing, film editing, etc.
Please explain this. Every time there's a Mac Vs PC topic, this comes up. No-one ever justifies it. It's just "Macs is better at the photos, lol", and that's the end of it. Why? What makes them better?

Also, Mac Vs PC topic, lolololololololololololololol
 

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Well, to be perfectly honest, I can understand why apple products typically have a two to eight hundred percent markup. Idiot proofing is hard. Not only is it hard, you'll hit diminishing returns almost instantly. Every effort made to protect stupid people from screwing up simply opens up new and different ways for people to screw up. The fact they've even come close to making an idiot proof operating system that doesn't automatically crash is utterly amazing. To reference an old quote, "if one were to attempt to create an AI by pre-programming every possibility, it'd instantly suffer a nervous breakdown and crash, if it did anything at all."

Its for this is the reason apple products are so restrictive and overly simplified. Yes, this should piss you off. Steve Jobs is basically saying to every macOS user "you are too stupid to have a options. You'll just fuck them up anyway."

Not to mention, their earlier marketing plan of getting as many macs as possible into as many schools as possible, so as to establish their platform as the end-all for any sort of professional application through pure conditioning was the antithesis of ethics.
 

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I like Pc and linux os alot more than macs, plus theres the customization and actually being affordable. I don't understand why so many people who have trouble using computers go to mac though. They could always you know... learn how to be awesome.
 

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Also, Apple's advertising campaigns generally just piss me off because they spend more time bashing on Windows than they do actually telling us about their product, and when a company pisses you off you really don't feel like giving them money.
It's ironic that Apple would've been out of business if it weren't for Microsoft. Microsoft bought a lot of Apple's stock back in the 90's which helped them stay in business.
 

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In my house we have a couple of Dells, a home-built Win7 PC, an iMac G3, an iMac G5 and an iMac Intel Core 2 duo. (And a whole lot of even older computers that don't see any use any more. The old PCs are junk. The old Macs - and I'm talking vintages as old as 1986 - still work flawlessly. Of course, there's not much you can do with a computer that old these days, no matter what OS it runs.)

As someone with a good deal of experience on both major platforms, I can tell you that a Mac is NOT overpriced. If you go out and configure a Dell or HP today and get it as close as possible to the hardware specs on a Mac, there's really very little difference. The reason people think that Macs are more expensive is because you CAN get a cheap PC. You can get it stripped down with a low feature set. And you can build your own. It's not that Macs are so much more expensive, it's that Apple refuses to play in the lower end of the market. They're competing for the high-end dollar.

Also, Macs come with a better design overall, which, to me, is totally worth a small premium. And I'm talking hardware AND software. Mac OS X is hands-down a better operating system than Windows. I understand if you want to tinker and upgrade pieces and such, you get or build a Windows box. If you want a larger library of games, you go with Windows (or run Windows on your Mac). But if you want a reliable, easy-to-use computer that you want to get work done on, you're better off with a Mac.

Also, Macs have had multi-button mice standard for YEARS now. They may LOOK like single- or even no-button mice, but their surfaces are touch-sensitive, and can tell which side you're clicking. The newer ones are actually MORE versatile than a standard Windows mouse, as they've added swiping gestures and such.

And when it comes to people who have used Photoshop on both a Windows machine and a Mac professionally (as I do - I work in graphic services for a large publisher) - I will guarantee you that after giving both a good, fair chance the VAST majority will prefer the Mac.

In my house, the Windows boxes are used for a few games. When anyone wants to get work done, though - they go to one of the Macs. (Although, in the case of games that are available on the Mac, the Macs are preferred.)

I have nothing against Windows users - hell, I am one - and there are plenty of good reasons to choose a Windows machine. But, overall - dollar for dollar - the Mac is the better machine, and has the better system.

At least that's how I see it.

~Cheers!
 

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Fanta Grape said:
This thread is a DISCUSSION. SO DISCUSS. I don't want to see any comments saying, "macs r gay lololol" READ this post and then answer it.

So anyway, me being a hipster douche bag and all, I use a mac. It's not the newest model, second newest, but it works fine. And so I was watching those hilarious "I'm a Mac and I'm a PC" and it got me thinking. At this point in our modern era, it does not matter. Sure, 10 years ago it would be a HUGE difference in choosing between the two, but now, both sides are losing their definitive aspects. Any smart PC user won't get (m)any viruses, they'll use a decent graphics card, and they know how to do everything simply. Macs are introducing video games with Steam and whatnots, the awesome applications like imovie aren't free anymore and they're getting more compatible with programs. The discussion has been redundant. Regarding hardware, with macs, you'll be paying for quality, but any smart computer user will tell you that it's overpriced and it's purely for the aesthetics, but it's not considerably more powerful. The hardware with PC's can range from excellent to terrible, so it's really much more flexible. Comparing the two operating systems, they've gotten even more similar since snow leopard and windows 7, with nothing that's ever really bugged me from either side. Now don't get me wrong, these are two different computers, but all the arguments and debate over which is better has long passed the point of it mattering. Now a mature person will tell you that it never mattered, but shut up; my thread!

So, the question is: Which one do you use and how does it affect your usage of the computer? Could you do everything you normally do on your current computer on the other? Are there any myths that you would like to explain that aren't true?

P.S. I know nothing about Linux so that's why it wasn't discussed here but feel free to talk about it.
There is only one way I know to solve this, as highlighted in this video. Seriously watch it to the end, it's awesome.

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AugustFall

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My dad uses macs because it's what the university uses and tbh I could never get used to them. I agree with what you are saying that macs and pc's are getting more and more a like but I still prefer Windows, even vista. I'm hopefully upgrading to 7 soon with a new computer.
 

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I bought a [very overpriced] macbook pro for the program I'm going into (Graphic Design). The screens pretty damn nice, and I can just attach a usb mouse to it for working in photoshop and stuff. Personally, I don't like it very much for gaming. Not many choices of games (that I like), the ported version of audiosurf I have for it is less than adequate in performance and that whole multiple OS thing isn't working out for me. I at least have Starcraft 2 on it and it runs as well as it does on my not-so-great HP Desktop.

I definitely prefer gaming on my PC (but that's probably just a laptop vs desktop thing) and I find both OS to be pretty comfortable. Mac was easy to adjust to and I'm no computer expert so all that fancy customization jazz means little to me. Chances are I will use my macbook for my entire university career and then buy a Mac Pro when I get a job. As for my PC, I definitely want to replace that junk with a far better gaming rig (I sincerely regret buying HP instead of having my friend build me one) sometime next year.

So all in all, I take no sides in this "war". As far as I'm concerned both do certain jobs, and they do them well. Mac will always be for my graphic design work/video editing and Pc will always be my gaming rig (not that they can't switch roles).

Acryllos...signing out
 

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I personally hate macs with a passion, I had to use one for the first time yesterday and it was a huge WTF do I do? I was logged in as a different user as school and I didn't know now to log out, and I couldn't even find the mouse options (it was extremely unsensitive and I wanted to change it). Or any options for that matter. It took me a while to find a file browsing and I still couldn't find the harddrive, I know I'm an idiot especially when I was looking for a C: drive (or any letter really). It was just completely unfamiliar and unintuitive. I like there being words on my OS so I can read what things do, when the start bar says start that seems like a good place to click first. Then again I hate windows 7 to because it looks like a mac, but at least being windows I know what it can and cannot do and some of the basic are still there.

If I got use to a mac it might be different, but I don't like things you have to get use to. Where at an age where technology should be intuitive like they were 10 years ago. Half of it is I like reading, I don't understand hieroglyphics, what the fuck does that picture mean.
 

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I Prefer OSX,the extra games isn't much of an advantage when you realize most of the games not on OSX can be summed up in one or more of the words "Shit(ty)" "Console" and "Port" and the few that aren't will be buried under a stream of pop-ups from Windows.

The fact that just about every anti-Apple/Mac argument I've ever heard can be summed up as "Macs are overpriced because <insert shitty reason that was false years ago and proves I'm just a mindless bandwagon-jumper has no idea what I'm talking about>" while not listing the advantages (either due to "forgetting" to add them or just plain lack of research) doesn't hurt either.
 

Gildan Bladeborn

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If you're a gamer, and you only own a Mac, and you haven't set it up to dual-boot into Windows, then you are not in fact a gamer. Or rather, not a particularly voracious one, as Macs are not very good for gaming at all - if you play a lot of games, you aren't using a Mac to do it[footnote]Or if you are, you've paid way too much money for your "PC", because you've just put Windows on it and are running that to play your games.[/footnote]. Not due to hardware deficiencies necessarily, the issue is there are just not that many titles released each year that are available on the Mac - the sheer overwhelming majority of all games released for a computer system are Windows titles.

Now there are ways to run games in a non-native environment (things like Wine in Linux for example) and modern Macs are based on Intel hardware, which means they're x86 based and Windows can be loaded onto them now[footnote]The older Macs used Motorola-branded RISC processors, which were incompatible with traditional PC environments, as those had adopted the more general purpose (but potentially less efficient) x86 architecture.[/footnote], so if you have a Mac and you want to play games on it, you can get around the limitations your OS places on you by just not running it, but if you aren't technically savvy (or don't have a spare Windows license around or something), gaming on the Mac is limited to the comparative handful of titles available with Mac versions.

Things like the recent release of Steam are great news for folks who, for some reason or another, find themselves saddled with a Mac but still want to actually play games on it, but the titles that are now available are still just a drop in the ocean that is all the games you can find on the PC that aren't on the Mac. Clearly there isn't any reason Macs can't run those games, should anyone take the trouble to port them to the Mac OS, but for the most part nobody does anymore; Macs are, for all the recent success Apple has enjoyed, still a very small minority of computers in use compared to Windows PCs, and the platform itself isn't perceived as a particularly viable gaming system.

Gaming enthusiasts tend to be the sort who will build their own systems and comparison shop (we find concepts like "I have the second newest model" to be ridiculous - computers are conglomerations of components, not "models"), and anyone with the technical know-how to understand the hardware that goes into a decent gaming machine will know that, for the money, Macs are a horrible choice: Apple charges a significant premium for hardware that is, once you get past their "sleek" case designs, the exact same components you could find on a shelf for a fraction of the price Apple expects you to pay. You also have far fewer options, as Apple only writes drivers for the very limited selection of hardware they offer in their products and nothing else (top-down control is a big part of Apple's philosophy; the idea that a user could put together a Mac themselves is something that gets companies who try it sued into oblivion).

So in essence, if you bought a Mac specifically with the intention to use it to play games, you've paid too much money and you're the owner of a system that doesn't actually have a whole lot of games available for it. Nobody with common sense buys a Mac to be their "gaming computer", and the people who own them now are languishing in the "here be no games" wastelands; internet wags are fond of igniting the whole "PC gaming is dying" fallacy, but Mac gaming isn't dying because it was never alive in the first place.

If you own a Mac, you're pretty much a graphic designer, a hipster, or somebody who either doesn't know any better or simply doesn't care - gamers and Macs do not really go hand in hand.

[small]Note that here I'm discussing desktops, Apple makes fairly decent laptops and a lot of the 'issues' with Mac desktop hardware are less problematic when you're in the arena of portable computing, where the options are more limited no matter which platform you adopt.[/small]
 

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Sebenko said:
Jaded Scribe said:
Macs are great for creative work, such as photo-editing, creating computer artwork, music/sound mixing, film editing, etc.
Please explain this. Every time there's a Mac Vs PC topic, this comes up. No-one ever justifies it. It's just "Macs is better at the photos, lol", and that's the end of it. Why? What makes them better?

Also, Mac Vs PC topic, lolololololololololololololol
First and foremost, the display of colors on a Mac is better, and closer to what you'll see when you print.

Second, is that Mac used a variety of psychologists in the development of features to make working with a mac more intuitive for non-techies to use, particularly for artists.

Adobe and Apple have a love/hate relationship, but the simple matter is that their products (which are at the forefront of the various arts industries) run much better on a Mac.

There is a lot of very good hardware compatibilities and tools not widely available on PC.

These and more are why Apple is the standard for the art industry, and when working at home, it's best to have the same devices as your work uses for compatibility. And if it's the industry standard, a freelancer, or someone working on their own would do well to use it.
 

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Jaded Scribe said:
First and foremost, the display of colors on a Mac is better, and closer to what you'll see when you print.

Second, is that Mac used a variety of psychologists in the development of features to make working with a mac more intuitive for non-techies to use, particularly for artists.

Adobe and Apple have a love/hate relationship, but the simple matter is that their products (which are at the forefront of the various arts industries) run much better on a Mac.

There is a lot of very good hardware compatibilities and tools not widely available on PC.

These and more are why Apple is the standard for the art industry, and when working at home, it's best to have the same devices as your work uses for compatibility. And if it's the industry standard, a freelancer, or someone working on their own would do well to use it.
That doesn't make much sense. Is it not possible to buy a good monitor for a PC?

Psychologists? what? To eject a CD you put it in the bin. That makes no sense.

And run better on a mac? Surely the money you'd save on not buying a mac could be put towards a more powerful PC.

Hardware tools and compatabilities? such as?

Yeah, using the same a work as at home is probably a good idea, though.
 

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Just a note: Macs = PCs. That is, a pc is a personal computer. Macs are personal computers.

Anyway, I use Windows Vista, and I've had it for over a year now, and it is quite reliable, haven't really had any OS issues come up since I got the service packs. The only things that bug me about Vista is how it wants to put everything in user's my doc folders by default, and when searching for files during a "load file" or "save file" window dialog, by default it has the directory display minimized, like on a mac (something I didn't really like when I used Macs).
 

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Sebenko said:
Jaded Scribe said:
First and foremost, the display of colors on a Mac is better, and closer to what you'll see when you print.

Second, is that Mac used a variety of psychologists in the development of features to make working with a mac more intuitive for non-techies to use, particularly for artists.

Adobe and Apple have a love/hate relationship, but the simple matter is that their products (which are at the forefront of the various arts industries) run much better on a Mac.

There is a lot of very good hardware compatibilities and tools not widely available on PC.

These and more are why Apple is the standard for the art industry, and when working at home, it's best to have the same devices as your work uses for compatibility. And if it's the industry standard, a freelancer, or someone working on their own would do well to use it.
That doesn't make much sense. Is it not possible to buy a good monitor for a PC?

Psychologists? what? To eject a CD you put it in the bin. That makes no sense.

And run better on a mac? Surely the money you'd save on not buying a mac could be put towards a more powerful PC.

Hardware tools and compatabilities? such as?

Yeah, using the same a work as at home is probably a good idea, though.
Color display has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the monitor. It has to do with how color is processed and the code used to display it. They don't use the same color palettes, and Mac's palette is far superior to PC when you're working at the level of detail as an artist.

For the psychology, check out Apple Human Interface Guidelines. It details how Apple used the psychology behind human-computer interactions to build their interfaces. There's more to it than just ejecting stuff. A lot of the features really are better designed around how humans think. For a lot of us, who are avid PC users, we don't see it as much because we've been using PCs all our life.

Just having a more powerful PC doesn't help. It's how the programs are allowed to interact with the OS and communicate with the hardware. It's the same reason why the port of MS Office runs so poorly on a Mac, they can't utilize the computer in an optimized way as it can on a PC.

As for tools, I've rarely had to install hardware to a Mac the way you do a PC. Most hardware devices (that are designed for Mac, not just generic products) are completely plug-and-use. No installation, no drivers, none of that. For artists and musicians and the like, this is important due to the large amount of hardware they exchange between. Would suck having to install and/or update drivers for each and every one of them.


These qualities make Mac better for artists. It doesn't mean it's a better computer. Just a better tool for a job.