Mainstream Games A Meh?
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Wow... Godwin's law in the second page, that is some kind of record.Sephychu said:
Halo 1 was the reason to justify an xbox, it was the reason for console FPS multiplayer, and it was pretty good. I may give you it wasn't perfect, maybe call it average... but it certainly wasn't bad... not that your example of calling Smash Bros a good, influential mainstream multiplayer game was better.
Actually EA has been reasonably good this gen, what with the likes of Mirror's Edge andBabitz said:
Dead Space. I think we should ban Activision instead.
Eh, the way we play games and the way we look at them is changing. We want replayability if we're going to shell out big bucks for them. People are getting tighter with their money and we've all been had by other hyped games before, so smaller games are less risk.
My issue with your example is not in the mainstream part, but the good. Considering the thread is called "mainstream games... ", all discused games are mainstream; and I believe Smash Bros is pretty mainstream without saying... And, together with most Nintendo sequels, are some of the most derivative, unoriginal and recicled examples of sequels.Sephychu said:
Derivative, unoriginal and recycled, when what we were talking about before was Halo? Come on. Also merely because the thread is called mainstream games, it's not supposed to be my call to tack the word 'mainstream' on to the word 'games', whenever anyone says it. Surely it isn't that much effort to type the word 'mainstream' when you want to refer to such? Anywhoodle, I wouldn't say that Smash Bros. Melee was at all mainstream relative to Halo or any other massive current generation game, and I really liked it. I thought it was a pretty big step up from Smash Bros., much more so than the step between Melee and Brawl.hermes200 said:
I don't think mainstream games are getting worse. It's something deeper than that. and far more dangerous. They're getting more Marketable.
They are increasingly being forced into certain boxes with repeating elements that make them easier to sell, which is both condescending and boring to us as players. Sure Halo was great (not what i think but whatever), that does not mean the next five years of gaming should be dominated by halo clones. No-one wants that, except for publishers, who recognize a quick and easy way to make money. Mass Effect will be the next on the chopping block. It will be copied, pasted sodomized and raped until the next 'innovative' game comes along.
They are increasingly being forced into certain boxes with repeating elements that make them easier to sell, which is both condescending and boring to us as players. Sure Halo was great (not what i think but whatever), that does not mean the next five years of gaming should be dominated by halo clones. No-one wants that, except for publishers, who recognize a quick and easy way to make money. Mass Effect will be the next on the chopping block. It will be copied, pasted sodomized and raped until the next 'innovative' game comes along.
I disagree. Very much so, because can you give an accurate definition of a "mainstream game"? If you can't, then you can't say that they're all collectively "meh". Some mainstream games, to me at least, are great such as Mass Effect 2 or Gears of War 2. However, just like everything else, some, to me, are not enjoyable (note the lack of the word "bad") like Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 or Fable 2. Funny how that works, isn't it?
To be "mainstream" is not something that can be defined relative to another example. Games are mainstream or not.Sephychu said:
This is getting ridiculous... we both agree on the point of this thread, we just don't agree on the examples. I think Halo 1 was mainstream and good, you think Melee was mainstream and good.
The point is that there are many examples this generation of games that are mainstream and are good. Bioshock, Fallout 3, Batman: Arkahm Assylum, just to name a few...
So, the TC thinks that all mainstream games are meh... He/She is wrong. He either didn't try some good mainstream games lately and is unfairly basing his hypotesis on shitty ones; or he is like a grumpy old man, looking at games now being popular and remembering with nostalgia when gamers were few and games like MK Ultimate were good (cue: it never was).