Major Changes In Youtube Involving Let's Players

[GoaThief]

Video games are a product not a license.

As usual, you're totally off base and wrong. Video games are a product as such but you do not own the game, you pay for the right to use the product for your own personal use.

I can play my games without the permission of the publisher or developer

No you cannot play without permission, that is exactly what you are paying for. You do not own the game. The game belongs to the people/entity who produced it. There are restrictions on it's use, much like how you cannot purchase a blu-ray and then use it for public airings, especially charging other people for it.

or sell them for a profit.

This is a grey area, but what you are doing is selling the license to use the product on.

Personally I hate copy right laws because they are so easily abused.

I've heard similar arguments from pirates. You can hate them all you want but they're important, protect lots of people and are here to stay. Just because you're of a belief that you can just choose to own something and can do whatever the hell you like with it, doesn't make it so and could well constitute a crime.

I'm honestly astounded that people have this kind of viewpoint. You want to screw over hundreds, if not thousands just to get at one person you don't like?

Uh, no. I think you're taking all that a bit too literally. Read the whole thread.

 

[Eve Charm]

Except that does'nt apply to physical games because you can do anything you want with them except make copies.If video games were a license then a developer/publisher could for example prevent someone from selling the game by rendering the disc unusable.Therefore physical games are a product while digital games are in a grey area.

EDIT:Also would like to add that the publisher/developer can't stop people from doing whatever they want with their games which makes them a product.A license is completely different story since the buyer is completely at the developer/publisher's whim.

Actually currently gen and last gen companies CAN stop you from playing a game you physically own. They could remotely brick your entire system if they wanted to. The ps3 not being able to run Linux anymore is a perfect example of how much you do not own your physical product and if you want to continue using it they can take things away from you. Welcome to the new age of consumers not owning anything.

adding in

Can the developer prevent me from playing a game?No.

Can they prevent me from breaking a game?No.

Can they prevent me from lending it to people?No.

Can they prevent me from selling it?No.

1. By updating the game or sending a deactivation code to your console, Yes they can.

2. They can't but they can ban your account depending what you mean on breaking. I guess they can still technically ban your account to if you break your disc in half.

3. and 4. Yes, one time activation codes or online passes will stop you from doing either or at least the person you lent it to or sold it to wouldn't be able to do anything with it.

 

[McFazzer]

How would this actually affect guys like TotalBiscuit and Angry Joe? Sure they have SOME LP stuff, but isn't the meat of their channels reviews? Or since the reviews have gameplay footage will they be disallowed? I thought copyright law allowed parts of a product to be used when it's a part of a critique or review?

 

[StriderShinryu]

This is total garbage. Thankfully, the channels I follow in a dedicated manner are more indie oriented so hopefully they won't be too hard hit by the changes. Definitely not happy about things though.

 

[Jenvas1306]

I never liked lets players like the famous pewdiepie (what a whimp...) but someone how watching someone play a game in a stupid way without actually informing about the games qualities or lack thereof got so popular. well there is something wrong with internet people no doubt but I found this video to explain the thing (or problem) with lets players very well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgMqhEMhVV8

 

[Specter Von Baren]

Video games are a product not a license.I can play my games without the permission of the publisher or developer or sell them for a profit.Personally I hate copy right laws because they are so easily abused.

Wishful thinking does not make something fact. Yes, it's shitty, but it's still true. Video games are a licence, not a product. For example: Just because you bought a game, doesn't mean you have a right to re-use the code to make a new game, same concept as using the footage of a game to make a let's play.

No they're not a license.Video games or atleast the physical ones are printed on disc and afterwards the developer/publisher has no control over it.Digital games however are a different case since the developer/publisher can exert more control over them.

Again, you are wrong. You do not own the rights to the contents of a disc, you own a licence to use them in a certain way.

Think about my example again. A video game disc contains code. If you copy that code to use in your own game, you are committing a crime. The same holds true for the video and audio contents of a disc.

Except that does'nt apply to physical games because you can do anything you want with them except make copies.If video games were a license then a developer/publisher could for example prevent someone from selling the game by rendering the disc unusable.Therefore physical games are a product while digital games are in a grey area.

EDIT:Also would like to add that the publisher/developer can't stop people from doing whatever they want with their games which makes them a product.A license is completely different story since the buyer is completely at the developer/publisher's whim.

Ok then dude, it's clear that me and GoaThief can't make you see sense. I recommend that you attempt to create a commercial application using code that you ripped from a disc and see how long it goes before you find yourself with a hefty fine :^)

No I'm pretty sure you're wrong and that you do own your game and it is not a license. Or did you completely ignore one of the big gripes people had with the X-bone?

 

[Racecarlock]

All of this just proves that trickle down economics is complete bullshit, because when people are actually making money off of the products of a larger company, they want to shut it down.

And frankly, I don't give a shit what is legal. It's still a huge dick move and any publisher that deserves fans would not pull this shit. I mean, driving is a license too, but that doesn't mean you have to pay ford every time you drive to work.

 

[Rellik San]

Put simply a video game without player input is a menu screen... without the player input the video game can not function (save for Quantic Dream games, cheap shot, I know I know). As a result the simple act of playing a video game makes it a transformative work as people have differing play styles and as a result create different experiences.

So like Photoshop drawing videos, model kit lets builds and other such things, without the input from the human the work is inert, they are inherently transformative media by the very virtue of interacting with them. However, apparently music, film and video games are immune to this, why is beyond me.

 

[The Great Fungus]

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So I finally made an account just to reply to you two.

One question: Why do you guys think EULAS are called EULAS (End-user license agreements)?
I just read the last page of my GTA 4 manual. And there it clearly states that by purchasing the product you buy a license.


On topic: While I don't want innocent people to lose their livelihoods, I don't think anything of value would be lost if LPs disappeared.

 

[Rellik San]

So I finally made an account just to reply to you two.

One question: Why do you guys think EULAS are called EULAS (End-user license agreements)?
I just read the last page of my GTA 4 manual. And there it clearly states that by purchasing the product you buy a license.

By that logic, does purchasing Photoshop then allow Adobe to place watermarks, advertising and reap all the revenue from my art work created with it?

After all Photoshop is also purchased as a license not a product.

 

[miketehmage]

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Well to be honest I kind of agree with the music thing. It kind of fits with what I was saying. I mean, look at how many shitty boybands are out there who have absolutely zero talent, they sing songs that were written for them, and then have everything autotuned to make them sound good;

and they make a bazillion dollars just because they got lucky and were picked to be special(Pewdiepie)

Of course you have real talented musicians who write their own stuff and put in the time to practice (because playing an instrument takes skill, people can't just pick them up and play). And those are my "Competitive gamers".

Look I'm not trying to get all LP's removed from the internet man, I'm just saying it's really shitty that all a person has to do is play a game, record it, and shout a little bit and BOOM tonnes of money.

You really don't think that it's ridiculous?

Then I guess we just have differing opinions.


EDIT: I suppose I missed the main point of your reply the first time round, which is that there is a solution to this that makes everyone happy, I get it.

Basically all I was saying was that if some LPers lose out on some money, I probably wouldn't care much.

 

[The Great Fungus]

So I finally made an account just to reply to you two.

One question: Why do you guys think EULAS are called EULAS (End-user license agreements)?
I just read the last page of my GTA 4 manual. And there it clearly states that by purchasing the product you buy a license.

By that logic, does purchasing Photoshop then allow Adobe to place watermarks, advertising and reap all the revenue from my art work created with it?

After all Photoshop is also a license not a product.

That would depend on the agreement. One thing is certain though. You're not allowed to use their code to make your own software. That's how it's been with software for as long as I can remember. I think Blizzard used to reserve their right to take your disc away if you didn't comply with their EULA. But that I might be wrong on that one.