Man accused of being a pedophile for snapping a picture of his son at a mall

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Matthew Forde

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TOGSolid said:
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TOGSolid said:
The UK is becoming saturated with the police state mentality. It's no surprise that some rent a cop moron would do this there.
Because you're in such a position to know, Mr Alaskan.
Thanks to Eve Online I got to know a lot of brits, plus I actually, yanno, bother to read global news on a regular basis.

DEM KIDS AND THEIR CRAZY INTERNETS
Sorry the British government aren't clever enough nor well resourced enough to do this. On the other hand certain wings of the government probably are but they aren't in charge of the police (MI 5/6) and the guy at the top will have been told nothing so it couldn't get passed on. The news of the bins... probably the Sun, News of the World or Daily Mail wrote them and they are idiots, where do you get your news? The Beano? The Dandy? I hope you have been enlightened. I don't believe the story as it is amazingly retarded... and most police officers are actually quite smart.

thegreatmilenko said:
Well theyre british....theyre retarded
You sir fail at stereotyping, British people are quiet, reserved and boring stereotypicly. American's are loud, obnoxious and ignorant. Hmm maybe some stereotypes are correct.

On another point I saw a woman beating up her son today, who couldn't be more than 4 years old. Now society has gone to the dogs.
 

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Someone making a thread about someone taking a picture of a kid?
PEDOFILE!!!!1!1111!11...1111

OT: The cop probably read the Kamasutra instead of "The Law".
 

MaVeN1337

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Society is depressing..
Everyday, Freedom diminishes just a little bit more and corrupt politicians and the over sensitive, over secure are to blame as well as corrupt politicians.
 

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Hobo Joe said:
Police State or Political Correctness gone mad? Probably a mixture of both.
In the UK, it is usually both.

Unfortunately, this isn't the only case of something like this I've heard of. I remember hearing somewhere that certain schools had banned parents from taking photos of their kids on sports days/school plays etc.
Yeah, this is just one symptom of a society that's going to hell...
 
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soceity is so fucked up. you call a women by her first name, your sexist! when you take a pic of your kid in a mall, your a pedo fag. WTF is wrong with this world?!
 

thethingthatlurks

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Let me summarize the story: dumbass overreacts and does something stupid, society is one step closer to hell.
Need I add anything else? No, well, how about this: Have any of you read Brave New World? Why don't we talk good old Huxley literally and delegate all stupid people to undesirable tasks and keep them happy with drugs?
 
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That video reminds me of an experiment they showed on TV where they got 2 children, one boy and one girl both around 6-7 years old to pretend that they were lost in the middle of a shopping centre to see if anybody helped them.

The results were that only 3 people helped them over the space of the whole day that the study took place. When people are too scared to help a child because they're worried about the repercussions you know that society's gone down the shitter.
 

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Trotgar said:
Yeah, here in Finland the news told that many pupils have answered to some investigation that they have been sexually harassed by teachers.

Turned out that even things like a pat on the shoulder could count. Many probably just thought something like "He touched my arm, I think that counts".

I think children (and according to this thread some adults too) should be educated about these things properly, because saying something like "If someone touches you in a way you don't like, He's a pedophile" could make someone think that a handshake is a sexual assault.

Well, probably not, but you get the idea.
We had the same issue at my high school here in Sweden (hi there, neighbor!), our P.E teacher did exactly what you described, he just gave us a pat on the back and asked us how we were doing, etc, but most of the pupils freaked out and thought that he wanted to sleep with everyone. I understood his thought though, he just wanted to make sure that everyone felt good and safe, and body contact in any way is proven to make us feel better, (endorphines are released/produced when either in pain or when in love, when hugged, etc. It's a naturally produced "morphine of the body", but I bet you already know that).

Anyhow, he was never accused for trying to hit on anyone in common, which I think is good because he was really just trying to be a good teacher and sort of a friend at the same time. But it's sad how people react just because they are touched by someone, even if it's just a pat on the back.
 

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Milky_Fresh said:
Security guards get bored. Cops get bored.
Besides that I remember reading about an experiment a little while ago. They took two groups of people and set them up as prisoners and guards. Within days the guards were forcing the prisoners to humiliate themselves and beating them. After the experiment they were shocked at their behavoiur.
Power does weird things to people, they like to excercise it.
You're referring to the Stanford Prison Experiment which was done almost 40 years ago. You are indeed correct that the guards became corrupted by power. However, in a more recent remake the guards found themselves unable to control the prisoners whilst the prisoners took power for themselves. I think the more important lesson is that people are now very quick to judge and stereotype a situation based on what the media is telling them.
 

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That security guard is only ever going to experience failure at everything he ever does.
 

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imahobbit4062 said:
Furburt said:
Right, the world is going insane at a faster rate than I could have predicted.

Time for another week of stockpiling food in my attic and sitting bolt upright with my rifle in my hand!

Send me a PM when it's all over.
Mind if I join you?
I'll bring lawn chairs and buttered popcorn!
OOH! I'll bring the videogames!

OT: ... ...... wow...
(I find myself having these sorts of moments more often...)
 

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thethingthatlurks said:
Let me summarize the story: dumbass overreacts and does something stupid, society is one step closer to hell.
Need I add anything else? No, well, how about this: Have any of you read Brave New World? Why don't we talk good old Huxley literally and delegate all stupid people to undesirable tasks and keep them happy with drugs?
Hey, I may not be stupid but I would still enjoy some soma... then I could be oblivious to the stupidity going on around me
 

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CincoDeMayo said:
Apparently some stupid mall guard overreacted, called the police, and the poor guy almost got arrested for taking a picture of his own son
My parents must be major pedos. THE AMOUNT OF PHOTOS THEY TAKE OF THEIR CHILDREN ON VACATION....creepy.
 

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I know of a situation when a man was kissing his daughter goodbye and every one was looking at them wierdly.
 

Therumancer

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Touchy subject since I wasn't there.

For starters I have an issue with the whole idea of censoring everything and turning society into a police state for the sake of "protecting the children". That's the job of parents not society in general.

However, also consider that parents are responsible for abusing their children in many cases. A lot of those pedophille photos and such ARE taken by parents for sale, and some of them are taken in public places (playgrounds, etc...) as part of the "erotic" appeal.

The questions that come to mind here are things like how the kid was posed, was the father telling the kid to pose? What exactly did the entire scene look like at the time?

Plus I'll be somewhat honest here, if some "rent a cop" reacted like this it's probably a bigger deal than if a cop did it. The reason why is simple, a security guard exists to represent the interests of his employer, and keep things quiet. Things like "Code Adam Training" are as much to look good on paperwork, and so if something happens your bosses can point a finger at you and place blame for not having done anything (holding up a uniform and taking the blame for what goes wrong is pretty much the job description for security), whether you could have or not. Being in security is 99% of the time about covering your rear and keeping things as boring and stable as possible. Generally speaking when things get exciting that's a bad thing, especially seeing as it means the guys in charge are going to look for a scapegoat (who WILL be Security) just for having the quiet disturbed. Anyone who does this professionally learns this kind of thing quickly. I won't go into the exceptions which should be fairly obvious (but again are pretty rare).

At any rate if some security dude stuck his neck out to harass a customer/patron for any reason at a mall or whatever, he probably had a bloody good reason for it. Either that or someone with a bloody good reason (ie one of his bosses) told him to. That leads me to believe that the situation was pretty over the top, and probably the kind of thing where NOT intervening would have created more of a disturbance.

Just to point things out in a practical sense. Security guards basically operate as a representitive of the property owner, what kind of power that entails depends on the property, and of course how much backup the person is going to get from the actual owners when he does something. Where I used to work was on an Indian Reservation (differant situation) I *could* potentially have a lot of leeway (though mostly we passed that kind of thing over to Tribal Police, or State Polie we "invited" to have a station right there specifically to help defuse problems) but even so I wouldn't just casually harass someone like this because in the end all security officers are concerned about their job and their paycheck, your being paid for quiet, not for any kind of "results". The movie stereotype of the security officer who thinks he's a cop generally does not exist, even when dealing with security that on paper (or in certain kinds of situations) could operate on a similar level.

Even on a reservation, understand that nobody wants to come to a casino that operates like a police state. You don't WANT to keep people detained on property (hence why you have real police handy to get them off site). When security actually does something it's pretty much in the interest of the Casino due to some extrerior factor like say a liquor compact with the state that requires drinks stay on the casino floor, with a fine if someone is drinking an an unliscened area, or agreements about fines for minors caught gaming. You wind up with a back and forth between liquor comissioners or whatever running around trying to fine the casino and the security guards hired to prevent it from happening. So basically if your insistant about something that you actually do (and carry authority with) it's because there is money involved as far as the property owner is concerned.

All of this rambling is mostly leading up to pointing out how over the top this must have been to get some security officer to step in, or even the property owner for that matter. Unless the guy just started two days ago, anyone who holds a security job for long knows all of this (in a general sense).