Man Charged over Toddler's Rape, Torture Murder.

[The Funslinger]

Don't get me wrong, I think this is disgusting, but I don't see how doing this to a toddler is somehow worse than doing it to an adult. Or worse than doing it to an animal, since adult rats are generally more intelligent (and less annoying) than one year old children, and we do all sorts of horrible things to them in laboratories.

Well if you want it from a scientific standpoint, I think that development-wise, everything there would be very small, and... well, putting his dick in there could actually mess up the toddler physically?

Yeah, freaks me out just thinking about it.

 

[The Funslinger]

OT: It's terrible that someone could do that to a child that young.. I never do understand why people do this sort of thing, there's nothing to gain from it...

I think there's plenty to gain from it, the man had himself a good time, and now the parent/s don't have to pay the expenses of having a child. Just think of it as natural selection, the kid got killed because he was probably just too darn cute, somewhere out there an ugly toddler is thanking his lucky stars that he's so ugly.

How do you not have more warnings for these kind of posts? I mean seriously.. you're disgusting.

I'm not sure. I've seen him posting, and he seems to go out of his way to be very controversial. Makes me kind of sick to share many of the interests he put on his profile. I guess considering there's such a huge stereotype of Canadians being incredibly pleasant individuals, there had to be one mega-creep to balance it out.

 

[lacktheknack]

I'll put it this way: EVEN ENCYCLOPEDIA DRAMATICA DISAPPROVES.

I'd explain how I know this, but it's too mind-scarring. All you need to know is that this is pretty much the only thing Encyclopedia Dramatica users seem to actually be sickened by. The mood whiplash was painful when I consider how they treat everything else...

 

[Chicago Ted]

This is why we have the death penalty.

This is why we must always have the death penalty.

No this is why there should always be a rehabilitating facility for the mentaly sick. Death penalty and other sentences that are designed to punish does nothing. You need sentences that are based on helping, not punishing to truly help society in every way.

You really want to rehabilitate scum like this? Why on Earth?

I don't want to co-exist with pedophilic child murderers, even after they are "rehabilitated". They are not the sorts society should waste time and effort helping. No-one like that deserves a second chance.

This bastard needs a bullet to the head.

Yes, I do think he should be rehabilitated. Everyone should get a second-chance. And before you ask, yes, I would actually live next door to him if he was rehabilitated. I was neighbour with an ex-murderer once, and he was like any other person. Sure, I was a bit scared when I was told, but it quickly passed. BUT! On to the topic at hand...

Now, let us say that he does not get the death penalty, but is imprisoned for... 25 years... Yeah, let us say that... What is to stop him from doing it again? Nothing (well, except going back to jail), so nothing have been accomplished.

Now, you said he should die, yes, that is a possibility, it would stop him from doing it, no need to waste money on him, etc, just pros here right? No, the Death penalty comes with a huge price.

Now, People know for sure he did it, with proof. But... What if he did not do it? Just hypotheticly, you would be killing an innocent man. Or maybe the next one is innocent. Is it really worth it? I do not think so.

Plus it has been shown death penalty does not act as a detergent for crime.
Why? Well, to put it like a professional; People who do these kinds of thingsare fucking crazy. Something is clearly wrong in this mans head. And as such, he needs need help. Sure, he might be locked up for 20+ years, but when he gets back out, he is (hopefully) a changed man.

Rehabilitating people acts as a better detergent than death penalty because it shows that everyone can get help.

Eh, I don't care if I'm the fourth or fifth person responding by this point; I'm still going to give my say on this one.

With the current system, a person who is guilty of a crime like this should be sentenced to life in prison NO CHANCE OF PAROLE. These are not the type of people that I believe deserve rehabilitation. While a murder could possibly be justified as being done out of a moment of desperation or intensity, the rape, torture, and murder of a 15 month old child can't. To say this individual is worthless is a massive understatement.

Now, while I don't support the death penalty normally out of principle (similar reasons of what if the individual is innocent and such and such), in cases like this, I really feel that my biggest argument against it boils down to cost effectiveness. I find it almost a crime in and of itself that now tax dollars will be wasted on the trial and subsequent incarceration of this individual should the charges turn out to be true.

Though, I won't be cited as saying this without disclaiming that I do believe that a fair trial must be held first. So far, all we have is the charge being laid out that this person committed this crime. Of course there has to be a trial to prove that these accusations are based on truth and not speculation. All I am really attempting to point out here is that when certainty exists in crimes like this, I do not believe that the guilty deserve rehabilitation of any sort. An individual guilty of crimes like this has no excuse for them in my mind, and absolutely no justification for committing them. The only other thing I really have to compare to something like this is thrill killing, which I believe is just as unforgivable.

I would like to end this on one final point though, that there is one positive about the death penalty however.

It'll stop the repeat criminal problem that you brought up.

 

[Zeema]

---------The Everyday Life of a Caring Person-----------
Jan. 17
"An old woman was murdered in her home."
Ohmygoshdarnit that is so horrible, oh gosh, how could someone do this I've lost my faith in humanity.

Jan. 20
A girl was raped and killed on a back street.
Ohmygoshdarnit that is so horrible, oh gosh, how could someone do this I've lost my faith in humanity.

Jan 22.
A man tortured another man over gambling debts.
Ohmygoshdarnit that is so horrible, oh gosh, how could someone do this I've lost my faith in humanity.
---------Repeat this over and over again, just with different news bits------------

Of course it's horrible and etc. etc. and just because it is not unusual we should not stop caring etc. etc... But... Don't you ever get tired of this endless cycle of somebody reading a news post, posting it on a forum and then people fussing over it until the next similar news bit arrives?
TL;DR: Boring thread with no discussion value.

Then why did you post?

 

[CrazyGirl17]

what is this i don't even...

Er, sorry, my brain just fused there. Is it wrong I think this guy should die? Painfully?

...Or, you know, just lock him away for the rest of his life, I don't care.

 

[WanderingFool]

I didn't know you could... rape a toddler.

You do know how creepy that avatar of yours makes this post sound... right?

Anyways, Its shit like this that could justify bringing back crucifiction.

 

[Pearwood]

/b/ isn't the whole of 4chan.

True, you still get some freaks in the other bits though. But /b/ is part of 4chan so what I said's still right

 

[Quaxar]

This is why we have the death penalty.

This is why we must always have the death penalty.

No this is why there should always be a rehabilitating facility for the mentaly sick. Death penalty and other sentences that are designed to punish does nothing. You need sentences that are based on helping, not punishing to truly help society in every way.

You really want to rehabilitate scum like this? Why on Earth?

I don't want to co-exist with pedophilic child murderers, even after they are "rehabilitated". They are not the sorts society should waste time and effort helping. No-one like that deserves a second chance. All they deserve is punishment.

This bastard needs a bullet to the head.

And this, gentlemen, is why the US has one of the highest crime and reoffending rates whereas <url=http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/europe/091017/norway-open-prison>Norway's system makes the country one of the safest in general.

 

[Chevalier noir]

And this, gentlemen, is why the US has one of the highest crime and reoffending rates whereas <url=http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/europe/091017/norway-open-prison>Norway's system makes the country one of the safest in general.

Its awfully ignorant to say that is the reason, considering the US has a much higher population then Norway. On top of the fact that we have a lot of people packed into very large cities in a very different economy.

But no, its because a few states here put down people who are beyond help.

 

[Quaxar]

And this, gentlemen, is why the US has one of the highest crime and reoffending rates whereas <url=http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/europe/091017/norway-open-prison>Norway's system makes the country one of the safest in general.

Its awfully ignorant to say that is the reason, considering the US has a much higher population then Norway. On top of the fact that we have a lot of people packed into very large cities in a very different economy.

But no, its because a few states here put down people who are beyond help.

For once, I'd like to quote the article I just linked:
Norway has one of the lowest incarceration rates in Europe at 66 per 100,000 inhabitants, compared to 738 per 100,000 inhabitants in the U.S.

And sure it's a different lifestyle but there's clearly something about the US legal system and its harsh punishment attitude.
People convicted of sexual crimes get put in a public database and their neighbors informed? They did their time, of course they now won't be able to fit back into society if everyone around them is paranoidly watching them all the time plus they are denied a lot of job opportunities.
Not to forget the way some prisons treat their inmates can screw you up pretty well too.

I'm not saying it's due to death penalty alone, I'm saying the whole system is a fucking mess.
If I'm getting bad press for my oppinion I might as well go the whole way.

 

[Chevalier noir]

For once, I'd like to quote the article I just linked:
Norway has one of the lowest incarceration rates in Europe at 66 per 100,000 inhabitants, compared to 738 per 100,000 inhabitants in the U.S.

And sure it's a different lifestyle but there's clearly something about the US legal system and its harsh punishment attitude.
People convicted of sexual crimes get put in a public database and their neighbors informed? They did their time, of course they now won't be able to fit back into society if everyone around them is paranoidly watching them all the time plus they are denied a lot of job opportunities.
Not to forget the way some prisons treat their inmates can screw you up pretty well too.

I'm not saying it's due to death penalty alone, I'm saying the whole system is a fucking mess.
If I'm getting bad press for my opinion I might as well go the whole way.

The US legal system is a mess, more concerned with revenge on criminals and not enough focus on rehabilitation for people who it would benefit. I agree that it needs to see serious reform in the way the prison system is handled.

Like not keeping people who can be rehabilitated with people who can't. There is no helping some people, this guy is one of them.

 

[MammothBlade]

This is why we have the death penalty.

This is why we must always have the death penalty.

No this is why there should always be a rehabilitating facility for the mentaly sick. Death penalty and other sentences that are designed to punish does nothing. You need sentences that are based on helping, not punishing to truly help society in every way.

You really want to rehabilitate scum like this? Why on Earth?

I don't want to co-exist with pedophilic child murderers, even after they are "rehabilitated". They are not the sorts society should waste time and effort helping. No-one like that deserves a second chance. All they deserve is punishment.

This bastard needs a bullet to the head.

And this, gentlemen, is why the US has one of the highest crime and reoffending rates whereas <url=http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/europe/091017/norway-open-prison>Norway's system makes the country one of the safest in general.

Japan has capital punishment, yet it has one of the lowest murder rates - by some measures lower than Norway.

Norway has a good social policy - which prevents many socio-economic crimes before they happen. However it doesn't stop bastards such as Anders Behring Breivik from gunning down innocent civilians - I believe that he and others like him deserve to die for their crimes, painfully.

The death penalty certainly acts as a 100% effective deterrent to re-offending. A corpse can't murder anyone ever again. Unless it's a zombie, of course.

 

[Quaxar]

For once, I'd like to quote the article I just linked:
Norway has one of the lowest incarceration rates in Europe at 66 per 100,000 inhabitants, compared to 738 per 100,000 inhabitants in the U.S.

And sure it's a different lifestyle but there's clearly something about the US legal system and its harsh punishment attitude.
People convicted of sexual crimes get put in a public database and their neighbors informed? They did their time, of course they now won't be able to fit back into society if everyone around them is paranoidly watching them all the time plus they are denied a lot of job opportunities.
Not to forget the way some prisons treat their inmates can screw you up pretty well too.

I'm not saying it's due to death penalty alone, I'm saying the whole system is a fucking mess.
If I'm getting bad press for my opinion I might as well go the whole way.

The US legal system is a mess, more concerned with revenge on criminals and not enough focus on rehabilitation for people who it would benefit. I agree that it needs to see serious reform in the way the prison system is handled.

Like not keeping people who can be rehabilitated with people who can't. There is no helping some people, this guy is one of them.

Well, I'm glad we can agree on that though I personally will not judge this case with this bit of information we have.

This is why we have the death penalty.

This is why we must always have the death penalty.

No this is why there should always be a rehabilitating facility for the mentaly sick. Death penalty and other sentences that are designed to punish does nothing. You need sentences that are based on helping, not punishing to truly help society in every way.

You really want to rehabilitate scum like this? Why on Earth?

I don't want to co-exist with pedophilic child murderers, even after they are "rehabilitated". They are not the sorts society should waste time and effort helping. No-one like that deserves a second chance. All they deserve is punishment.

This bastard needs a bullet to the head.

And this, gentlemen, is why the US has one of the highest crime and reoffending rates whereas <url=http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/europe/091017/norway-open-prison>Norway's system makes the country one of the safest in general.

Japan has capital punishment, yet it has one of the lowest murder rates - by some measures lower than Norway.

Norway has a good social policy - which prevents many socio-economic crimes before they happen. However it doesn't stop bastards such as Anders Behring Breivik from gunning down innocent civilians - I believe that he and others like him deserve to die for their crimes, painfully.

The death penalty certainly acts as a 100% effective deterrent to re-offending. A corpse can't murder anyone ever again. Unless it's a zombie, of course.

Even in the most peaceful countries there's always the possibility of a Breivik or Fritzl but they are really too extreme to be examples of any kind.

It's a way to prevent re-offending, yes. But the US "three strike"-system certainly does not present the perfect solution if you can get death sentence for committing petty crimes. And then there's also other factors such as who gets to make life-or-death decisions for other people and where you draw the line but I feel like this is a topic worth its own thread.

Again, my original post wasn't strictly aimed against capital punishment but against the general treatment of criminals in the legal system.

 

[Relish in Chaos]

Yeah, I don't want to think about how it's even possible to rape a toddler. I mean, I haven't seen "A Serbian Film" nor do I wish to, but...not meaning to be crude, but the "parts" would be too underdeveloped to "do" anything with it, so...ah, forget it.

Nothing surprises me anymore; only reminds me that we need to have a revision from the ground up of the justice system. If I had it my way, I'd make sure this guy was raped, tortured and killed himself. Tit for tat.

But of course, I don't have my way and I'm not a rich politician who gets to make those decisions. Oh well.

 

[Asuka Soryu]

I didn't know you could... rape a toddler.

You do know how creepy that avatar of yours makes this post sound... right?

Anyways, Its shit like this that could justify bringing back crucifiction.

Sorry, I couldn't afford the avatar whose expression changes to fit what you type.