Man faces jail for handing in a gun.

[thejadefalcon]

I am..completely speechless. I wanted to say something relatively snide about the UK law systems, but I can't create even a remotely coherent sentence.

[HEADING=3]Fuck. This. Bullshit.[/HEADING]

The jury should be ashamed, the judge should be fired and the police officer reprimanded for abuse of his power.

This is why I am convinced that the entire country should be purged clean of any and all existing law and order and rebuilt from scratch by people with more half a brain cell between the lot of them.

Fuck, I'm angry now. >:[

Thats what I think (and actually living in England, I think I'm entitled to that view), but no-one in power shares the same view. I'm genuinely surprised this country hasn't rioted against the government yet...

Of course we're entitled to complain about our government. It's practically our National pastime!

And we have rioted, many times. Cromwell for example. The trouble with revolutions is that we take out one imbecilic leader and replace him with another and it all goes round in one big circle. That's why they're called revolutions.

Let me restate that then (though history is not my strong point). Why the hell haven't we rioted against THIS government?

 

[Geamo]

Bloody retarded. Thats the problem with this world - do a good deed and get punished for it.

Disgusting.
All politicians are giving us BS these days. Why can't we in the UK get a charismatic tyrant for a change?

 

[Chrissyluky]

happy veterans day huh? Honor your troops throw them in jail.

 

[McNinja]

Two words: BULL SH*T

 

[The Hairminator]

Sometimes common sense should go before the law, because the law is obviously flawed here.

 

[Akai Shizuku]

You don't get this kind of bullshit with Anarchy. It's the fairest system, because there is none.

99% of the worlds problems are not caused by terrorists. They're not caused by immorgrants or black people, nor crinimals or the working class, it's not the russians or the americans, hell, it's not even Fox.

99% of the worlds problems are causes by less that 1% of the population...leaders. Politians, Prime Ministers, Presidents, Dictators, Kings and Queens...They're the reason that a man can't do something for his fellow man without being prosicuted. They're the reason that people will never be truelly free, not while there's someone up there rubbing his fat belly and changing the lives of millions of people with a bit of writing on a bit of paper.

At least if the goverment went to shit we'd have a choice about our lives, be our own leaders.

The problem with that is, without proper education, people will have a hard time making intelligent and wise life choices, and that could be seriously harmful to society as a whole. Now, I myself am an anarchist (or, more specifically, Communist), and I adamantly hold that the problem with anarchy is the same problem that democracy has - people are freaking idiots. This is largely because of borderline retarded education systems brought about by capitalist governments. Because of the incompetence of these systems, education is no longer about learning and the acquisition of important life skills. No, now it's about slaving for marks and grades that mean absolutely nothing.

Therefore, I propose that before society is to move into a more democratic system and before leaders are to be booted out of office, the education system must have a complete and total reform. Once this is accomplished, humanity will be able to make progress.

 

[CHangedUsername]

There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible to live without breaking laws. ? Ayn Rand

 

[Akai Shizuku]

There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible to live without breaking laws. ? Ayn Rand

While the political ideology I hold is very different to that of Ayn Rand, I find no disagreement at all with this quote.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Though, I don't know if the UK has any anti-entrapment laws.

There are a few, and under section 78 of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 they have to exclude evidence on the ground that its admission would have an adverse effect on the fairness of the proceedings. Which I believe, and IANAL, means that on receiving the information that he would be coming, they would have to inform him that it would be a criminal offence to do so, as part of the Miranda warning. However, once they had informed him of that, then they were well within their rights to arrest him.

 

[Jinx_Dragon]

If he knew that it was a strict liability crime, he should have stood there and called it in for the authorities to retrieve it.

I can see why there arresting him, its written down in black and white, ofc, I think he should get off on minimal charges.

I don't find it too hard think that the police, considering no crime was actually happening, would of labeled it as a lower priority. Even if they got out there half a hour to a hour later, a quick response for something down on the priority tree, who knows what could of happened during that time. Someone could of come looking for their missing gun and taken it by force, he could of been forced away from his 'vigilance' over the fire arm and a kid found it. Lots of things could of happened that didn't because he took the gun directly to the police station.

Also what about entrapment, as others have pointed out?

The police didn't explain that he would be arrested if he brought it in. They didn't even hint at that, given that he then walked right in and handed it over to them! By definition they entrapped him, encouraging him to commit a crime and then arresting him for it!

"sure, bring the gun in... *snicker and hang up* Hey everyone, going to get another arrest to my tally today!"

Ok sure it wasn't that bad but he phoned the police and it is clear they didn't tell him not to touch it. It is likely the person he talked to was all for him bringing it in, probably not thinking some other arse-hole of a cop would arrest him over it. Still... entrapment anyone?

As for the Ann quote: I disagree with much of the political mentality of hers, the whole screw everyone else cause greed is good, but this is one thing that I agree on. One can not leave their houses, and many times even indoors isn't safe, without violating one of the many many laws on the books! The police can arrest anyone, without cause, and know a whole bunch of crap laws will stick...

If none do, by chance alone, then you can always hold them for resisting arrest even if that is the only thing on their records. I kid you not, many protectors who did the whole 'passive resistance' thing have only one charge against their name... resisting arrest... as the other bullshit they attempted to stick to them failed. Mind twist that, resisting arrest for no crime what so ever!

 

[Supreme Unleaded]

WHAT THE FUCK. THATS RETARDED.

That is the most retarted thing I've heard in the last month that i can think of.

Seriosly, this guy brought in an illegal firearm that wasnt his to get it off the streets and he gets arrested. BULL...FUCKING...SHIT.

And he served in the military too, great way to show apreciation UK. I'm acually supprised that im somewhat enjoying the fact that i live in the US right now.

Okay that enjoyment is over because i just remebered that we have FOX News.

I blame FOX for all this because we all know that they had something to do with this.

 

[SomeBritishDude]

You don't get this kind of bullshit with Anarchy. It's the fairest system, because there is none.

99% of the worlds problems are not caused by terrorists. They're not caused by immorgrants or black people, nor crinimals or the working class, it's not the russians or the americans, hell, it's not even Fox.

99% of the worlds problems are causes by less that 1% of the population...leaders. Politians, Prime Ministers, Presidents, Dictators, Kings and Queens...They're the reason that a man can't do something for his fellow man without being prosicuted. They're the reason that people will never be truelly free, not while there's someone up there rubbing his fat belly and changing the lives of millions of people with a bit of writing on a bit of paper.

At least if the goverment went to shit we'd have a choice about our lives, be our own leaders.

The problem with that is, without proper education, people will have a hard time making intelligent and wise life choices, and that could be seriously harmful to society as a whole. Now, I myself am an anarchist (or, more specifically, Communist), and I adamantly hold that the problem with anarchy is the same problem that democracy has - people are freaking idiots. This is largely because of borderline retarded education systems brought about by capitalist governments. Because of the incompetence of these systems, education is no longer about learning and the acquisition of important life skills. No, now it's about slaving for marks and grades that mean absolutely nothing.

Therefore, I propose that before society is to move into a more democratic system and before leaders are to be booted out of office, the education system must have a complete and total reform. Once this is accomplished, humanity will be able to make progress.

This is probably where faith in Anarchy lies. Your faith in the lack of a system depends on your faith in people.

I have enough to believe that most people seek to be good people and wish to do good things. And even if someone doesn't, they won't have the power a lot of morally questionable people have, so they won't be effecting other's like a lot can. That's why I think Anarchy could work, at least for a time, until someone takes over and the cycle starts again.

 

[CHangedUsername]

This reminds me of a a book I've been meaning to pick up called "Three Felonies a Day"

http://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp/1594032556

 

[Akai Shizuku]

You don't get this kind of bullshit with Anarchy. It's the fairest system, because there is none.

99% of the worlds problems are not caused by terrorists. They're not caused by immorgrants or black people, nor crinimals or the working class, it's not the russians or the americans, hell, it's not even Fox.

99% of the worlds problems are causes by less that 1% of the population...leaders. Politians, Prime Ministers, Presidents, Dictators, Kings and Queens...They're the reason that a man can't do something for his fellow man without being prosicuted. They're the reason that people will never be truelly free, not while there's someone up there rubbing his fat belly and changing the lives of millions of people with a bit of writing on a bit of paper.

At least if the goverment went to shit we'd have a choice about our lives, be our own leaders.

The problem with that is, without proper education, people will have a hard time making intelligent and wise life choices, and that could be seriously harmful to society as a whole. Now, I myself am an anarchist (or, more specifically, Communist), and I adamantly hold that the problem with anarchy is the same problem that democracy has - people are freaking idiots. This is largely because of borderline retarded education systems brought about by capitalist governments. Because of the incompetence of these systems, education is no longer about learning and the acquisition of important life skills. No, now it's about slaving for marks and grades that mean absolutely nothing.

Therefore, I propose that before society is to move into a more democratic system and before leaders are to be booted out of office, the education system must have a complete and total reform. Once this is accomplished, humanity will be able to make progress.

This is probably where faith in Anarchy lies. Your faith in the lack of a system depends on your faith in people.

I have enough to believe that most people seek to be good people and wish to do good things. And even if someone doesn't, they won't have the power a lot of morally questionable people have, so they won't be effecting other's like a lot can. That's why I think Anarchy could work, at least for a time, until someone takes over and the cycle starts again.

The power must be evenly distributed amongst the people so that true democracy may be implemented. But again, I stress that anarchy will not work in today's society as it presently exists because people are uneducated. Che Guevara said that for such a system to work, people need to change, and as the days go by I am more convinced that this is true. The key to all this is better education. Once this is implemented, anarchy has a much better chance of not only establishing itself, but lasting. Possibly as a permanent system, although how long it lasts is directly related to what kind of anarchy it is. individualist anarchy and "anarcho-capitalism" will inevitably fail because a minority party will inevitably end up controlling more resources and thus more power than everybody else and will take over. Then it's back to the drawing board.

Social anarchy, however, should last a very, very long time, because it simply does not have this problem. The people will collectively and democratically make and enforce law as well as defend the country in event of foreign assault.

 

[stabnex]

That's it, I've been wanting Britain dead for over 200 years now, but this seals it. They don't deserve to exist as a nation, to say nothing as a people.

Kill them, burn their homes, salt the earth.

 

[Nazulu]

Makes me wish someone would bomb the UK back into the stone ages.

I live in the UK and i say you go to far in making that statement even if its just a joke

Alright, let me fix that. I wish someone would bomb the UK justice system back to the stone ages.

Because those idiots deserve to die anyway.

Don't forget our crappy justice system in Australia, they need a good bombing!

That's it, I've been wanting Britain dead for over 200 years now, but this seals it. They don't deserve to exist as a nation, to say nothing as a people.

Kill them, burn their homes, salt the earth.

You really don't think things through before posting, don't you? If I said that about the USA, would it bother you seeing it or anyone else?

Two words: BULL SH*T

BS seems to be the chosen words for this thread. I personally prefer for this kinda subject a good WTF! Followed by "No Way!"

 

[stabnex]

That's it, I've been wanting Britain dead for over 200 years now, but this seals it. They don't deserve to exist as a nation, to say nothing as a people.

Kill them, burn their homes, salt the earth.

You really don't think things through before posting, don't you? If I said that about the USA, would it bother you seeing it or anyone else?

No, I don't. And if you did say that, me and you would have be friends And as far as anyone else goes, no, I prefer to set them on fire too.

Fire. Solves. Everything.

 

[Gitsnik]

Way to go, British justice system.

I know this is waaay back on the first page, but I felt it warranted a mention:

It is not a justice system, it is a legal system. If it were a justice system this wouldn't have even made it to the court room, but as it is everyone is so flaming scared of making a non-pc comment that this sort of shit makes it to the court room - thus everything follows the letter of the law (even in dumbass cases like this), rather than the spirit.

I was in training to be a judge for a while, purely with the intent that I one day wanted to do this:

*starts laughing* Are you fucking serious?!? Get out of my court room.

 

[Nasti]

In the UK it is illegal to to possess a firearm. This means dont touch it, definitely dont carry it in public. This guys broke the law, that has to be recognised. If they let him off, others transporting a weapon for any other reason could pretend they were going to hand it in.


The sentance is abit much - if honest intent is proven then there should be an allowance. But the story is abit sketchy, he kept the gun for a day before handing it in.