Man Flips Off the Police Then Sues

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Ghonzor

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Kuchinawa212 said:
*faceplam*
I can't even believe this. I really can't. Maybe if I don't think it happened it'll go away
If only it worked that way...if only.
 

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Its easy to quickly jump to the officers side because the guy was being a dick, but that does not mean the officer had the legal right to issue a ticket for this.

This should be interesting and i hope the guy wins.
If he wins ALL HELL BREAKS LOSE. I'm sorry, but freedom of speech is Nice, but I wish everyday these people would THINK about what their doing. Do this in China, to an official. chances are we would NEVER know about it. He deserves to lose.

You hope this guy wins because it favors freedom of speech, I hope it looses because, frankly, im sick of people doing this. He is most likely not in for this, but aggressive driving. And I hope to the universe he pays.
Why so dramatic? Why would all hell break loose? Anyone who thinks that is way off base. I should have the right to flip off whoever i want to. A Cop cuts me off i should be well within my rights to flip him the bird?

flipping off cops does not = end of society as we know it.
Yes it does, it means basically, I could go outside your house EVERDAY with a megaphone and yell obscenities at your family. Then I could claim freedom of speech. Forget disturbing the peace, because I was excersising my freedom of speech.

Things like this can open a Can of worms
Well now you're confusing two different things. There is a difference between quietly extending a middle finger and grabbing a megaphone and shouting obscenities.

Ones disturbing the peace and one is a not. However, thats why cases such as these go to federal court to determine just that.

I'm not well versed in constitutional law so i'll leave it at that, my point is that this guy actually does have a case, and i actually do agree with him.
OK law aside. Why did he do this? This is like the lady that got 14 abortions (im not kidding)
to prove it was her body, she can do what she wants. Some people take this shit to far. We have freedomes, but god forbid you tell these people that. I say on the grounds he was given an inch and took a mile he be punished, otherwise he won't learn. Loopholes cannot be catered to.

If the policeman was being mean why didn't HE HIMSELF just shrug it off like the police should have done to him?
 

Kuchinawa212

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Ghonzor said:
Kuchinawa212 said:
*faceplam*
I can't even believe this. I really can't. Maybe if I don't think it happened it'll go away
If only it worked that way...if only.
AAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH

it was working! I just forgot all about it, but now that you quoted me I had to remember it again
 

Capt. Crankypants

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This is comforting. I'll be heading into the AFP (Aust. Fed Police) later this year, and it's nice to know that, for all the shit I'll put up with, that there are alot of sensible people who understand. Thanks guys.
 

Devi Darkside

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That's hilarious, but i can sort of see what he saying and I can't.

Yes, technically that is freedom of speech but at the same time most people don't respond too well to it. I mean, there are people who take offense to it and would kick the living shit out of someone like him for giving them the finger.

I think the person here forgets that he may have the freedom of speech and expression others do too and they have the right to respond.
 

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the fact that he talked about it like it was some stunt so "people dont have to live in fear" from the cops just makes im more of an idiot.those cops where just doing there job.you do not flip off cops.thats insulting autority.he deserved those tickets.ad then he sues them.just show how some idiots misuse the law system over there.fat retarded basterd.
 

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I don't see what the big deal is. The fat man didn't do anything wrong, the cop was being a dick. The cop shouldn't have given him a ticket because he was well within his rights. The first amendment as we all knows clearly states that you can insult anyone of authority as much as you want and they have to sit there and agree.
We don't all know because we don't all live in America, don't assume everyone follows the same code/constitution.
As for the incident, while he may have the right to free speech, the officers have the right not to be abused, so they can hit him with verbal assault if its free speech, or abusing an officer. And TBH hes an idiot for giving an officer the finger for being an officer, if the officer had of done something wrong (eg: cut in front of him/dangerous driving) then it would be a different matter, but random abuse has no excuse.

Lucas_90 said:
This is comforting. I'll be heading into the AFP (Aust. Fed Police) later this year, and it's nice to know that, for all the shit I'll put up with, that there are alot of sensible people who understand. Thanks guys.
Good to hear mate, while the system and some people in it are in question (aka corruption), its good to know some people are putting their lives on the line for the rest of us (even those that are ungrateful).
 

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Uh no....you disrespected an officer. That will get you tickets in most cases. And maybe he should take his own advice and learn from his mistakes instead of dragging this out.
Yeah I seem to recall in Washington at least you can get fined for doing this kind of thing.

Frankly as much as I HATE traffic police (the ones in Washington are especially malicious I received a ticket for a hundred and one dollars while turning right on red because my two right wheels contacted the fog line.) if I meet any cop on anything besides a motorcycle (those are the ones that fine like crazy there) I give them 30 sirs and tell them to have a good day :p. If they are on a bike I just mumble how much I hate to myself them and move along :p.

The fact that they are willing to spend their days protecting me and others is worthy of respect in my book.
 

Samurai Goomba

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The guy might be an idiot, but I don't think insulting the police is worthy of a ticket. That's some Soviet crap, right there.
 

reg42

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What... an... idiot...
I can't believe their are people this stupid and/or attention seeking in our world. Oh wait, yeah I can. It still saddens me though.
 

Lord Krunk

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Have you heard... about the bird?

EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THE BIRD IS THE WORD!

In all seriousness, he deserved those tickets.
 

^=ash=^

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1st Ammendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech , or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

thechnically by flipping the bird he didn't speak then i agree with:
The_root_of_all_evil said:
Freedom of Speech/Expression is negated by Breaking the Laws of the Land, to whit, using inflammatory gestures to an Officer of the Law.

I'd give him a third one for using non-authorized hand signals while driving.
 

jonnosferatu

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I don't agree with the lawsuit, but I don't think he deserved the tickets. I don't agree with his doing it, but it's not a violation of the law.
 

Lightslei

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I doubt he'd win, with such a stupid case.

Main reason for posting this is @ all of the people saying they risk their lives everyday:
The problem with your logic is many of them don't. Don't worry I have respect for the one's that do. However considering how often I have to hear from relatives who live nearby, or friends the number of police officers who do nothing other then drive around the same block the entire day to harass anyone who steps outside a store front and harass them for loitering regardless if they've been there for four seconds, and then tell them to walk in a certain direction like they have the power of a dictator is astounding. These pathetic ones that are "risking their lives everyday" to harass groups of teenagers, need to be committed to an asylum or class on how the legal system works.

Sorry for the wall of text.
 
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^=ash=^ said:
1st Ammendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech , or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
As an addition, Freedom of Speech isn't blocked by the Slander laws, despite it abridging the freedom of speech. Equally, you have the Right To Silence.

The Miranda rights apply to anything that has been "said" as well as said out loud, or some whit will call the officer a c*** in Makaton (sign language).
 

blalien

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ace_of_something said:
Intentionally inflammatory gestures and statements are NOT covered by free speech.
While there are restrictions on free speech, more recent Supreme Court decisions have ruled that free speech includes other forms of expression, including inflammatory gestures. Read up on Texas v. Johnson and United States v. Eichman. The cases are about flag burning in particular, but the justices' statements set a precedent for these kinds of situations.

Like it or not, what the guy did was legal. Don't take my word for it. Find a lawyer friend and ask him yourself.