Man kills newborn daughter because he couldn't afford to keep her

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Sammisaurus

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What I think is terrible is how everyone freaks out over one baby when thousands of poor and equally defenseless animals are being tortured every day and hardly anyone even gives that a second though. What happened to the baby was bad but, meh, there's worse out there.
 

Farseer Lolotea

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And here, we have still more evidence that humans are disgusting creatures.

But regarding the mom? The article stated that she's got five other kids that don't share genes with this psycho, not that she's got five other kids by five different guys. Which makes her irresponsible (and rather pathetic), true, but not necessarily the same sort of moral sinkhole that he is.

She's a failure of a parent, but he's scum.
 

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Farseer Lolotea said:
And here, we have still more evidence that humans are disgusting creatures.
I never really got this lost my faith in humanity or all humanity is a Dick von Douchebag.

Why does one person have to bring us all down? How about we just say by that he's fucked up, and not everyone belonging to his entire species? I never killed any babies.
 

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My opinion (as a father): This filthy vermin needs to be coated in smoky BBQ sauce and dropped into a terrarium filled with bullet ants, starved rabid dingos, and at least 3 different Jigsaw killer traps.
I actually like this idea. Maybe set on fire at some point as well.
Oooo, that's good. We could all stand around the rim of the enclosure and shoot at him with Roman candles. Aim for the face!
Nah, the gentleman bits. Then he won't have more kids to kill, and it hurts more. Lasts longer too.
 

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O_O Seriously?!? Come on!! If his fate were in my hands, he'd have a bullet in his head right now. There is NO justification and NO forgiveness for such a heinous act.
 

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This is the first time I can remember where I actually had the urge to vomit upon hearing of an act someone committed. I have nothing else to say on the matter.
 

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Sammisaurus said:
What I think is terrible is how everyone freaks out over one baby when thousands of poor and equally defenseless animals are being tortured every day and hardly anyone even gives that a second though. What happened to the baby was bad but, meh, there's worse out there.
It wasn't just the fact that it was a baby dying, it's the fact that it is HIS baby, HIS own flesh and blood ground into the dirt by a cinder block to the head. In my view, anyone who kills their own children for any reason has forfeited their right to live. Just my thoughts.
 

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Sammisaurus said:
What I think is terrible is how everyone freaks out over one baby when thousands of poor and equally defenseless animals are being tortured every day and hardly anyone even gives that a second though. What happened to the baby was bad but, meh, there's worse out there.
Killing and neglecting animals is a disgusting crime I agree and should be punished and enforced to a greater extent than current laws allow. That said there is very little that is worse than smashing a cinder block to a babies head and animal abuse doesn't even come close even if its on a larger scale in my mind. But perhaps I like the innocent of my own species a bit too much.
 

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I'm curious as to how some people still don't know that you can take a baby to any hospital, police station or fire station and give it to them and they will see that the baby is cared for properly, no questions asked.
 

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SUPA FRANKY said:
I never really got this lost my faith in humanity or all humanity is a Dick von Douchebag.

Why does one person have to bring us all down? How about we just say by that he's fucked up, and not everyone belonging to his entire species? I never killed any babies.
The thing is, this isn't really an isolated incident.

I have no trouble with taking a shine to specific individuals. But from what I've seen of the species as a whole? We may be social animals, but we're bad at it.
 

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That's one problem with abortion, however my biggest problem is taking away someones chance at life because it doesn't fit in with yours.

Selfish.
You say that like it's a bad thing. What would it mean to take that to its logical conclusion? If a woman doesn't get pregnant every time she brings down an egg, she's selfishly denying "someone" a chance at life?

I rather wish my mom had had the guts to abort me.
I didn't say that, shit happens but that doesn't mean it's alright to MAKE shit happen.

If something falls on someone and kills them it's not the same as if you'd pushed that thing on them and killed them.

Did you really need that little attention seeking comment at the end there? GG.
 

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I honestly have to say that this is pretty much no different, or even worse, than killing an adult with a cinder block, but they have an idea of what is happening, so might see the end coming. Right now I am not going to comment on abortion/adoption, but I think that we are really making too big of a deal about this, call me a cold bastard.
 

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No fucking quarter. Hang them both. There is no excuse for this behavior. None. What. So. Ever.
 

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linwolf said:
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Poor girl...

Wouldn't it have been better just to put her up for adoption?
I read this alot, really, no. Adoption is hell for kids, usually kids that are in there, do not enjoy or remotely like it. Don't know their parents and wonder if they love them or not. Watch the movie Annie if you want to understand it a little kiddish way.
What the fuck? My mother was adopted she and her brother had a great childhood and I loved my granddad. I am appalled by you post.
I'm sorry, I'll change it, is usually is person's case by case basis, I'll change my comment so future people won't be apalled by it, I'm very sorry, sir or madam.
 

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And yet nobody frowns upon abortion, even though this is exactly the same thing.
Not even close, if you have an abortion in the first trimester, you've killed a lump of cells, but after the baby is born, its actually a person, with thoughts, emotions and such.
 

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NO. Don't you even try to use the "potential" argument. Because you're not using it properly. If you truly cared about the "potential" argument, you wouldn't stop at abortion. No. You would take the stance of the Catholic church and admit that every sexual act has the "potential" to create a person, and thus all forms of birth control should be outlawed. But even the Catholic church isn't following through properly with this argument.
Why stop at sexual acts? All sperms and all unfertilized eggs have the potential to make people. If you want to follow through properly with the "potential" argument, you should argue that its should be illegal to allow menstruations, as it is a lost potential to make a person.

"All those women had to do was to have sex. Their bodies clearly had the potential to conceive. Why didn't they? they may have just missed out on creating the next Da Vinci or Einstein. They are denying the world potential people by wasting perfectly good eggs. And where are the men? they should be fertilizing these women!"

If you truly wanted to go through with the "potential argument" THAT is what you should be saying. An if you think it's absurd, then you may realize how we see your argument. Abortion is done wile the foetus is still just a bunch of cells, with no brain or nervous system available to classify it as a living being. Once the foetus has reached the stage of brain activist, then it would be murder to abort it, but no legal abortion is done after that stage.

EDIT: This argument is also useless, as we live in a world where we already have problems with overpopulation. If we were underpopulated, your argument would still not be valid, but the argument to make as many new people would.
Well, the problem I have, ultimately, with abortion isn't the process of the development of the fetus, but the fact the process isn't entirely or even largely dictated by direct parental influence. A woman doesn't dive in with her hands to mix and shape and assemble. She doesn't devote entire thought sessions to enabling growth in cardiac, nervous, or cranial areas. It's more involuntary than voluntary, so destroying a fetus before it can develop its nervous system or brain functions irks me because, when left to develop, it will have those systems and functions (obviously barring circumstances beyond human control). It's not like making a video game; if you start production, you have to follow through with the process because the game won't make itself.

Now, to your point: "every sexual act has the 'potential' to create a person" - I don't disagree with that at all. The problem I find is in justifying abortion in light of that. If we know that all sexual encounters could result in a child, and no contraceptive is 100% effective 100% of the time, why do we insist on assuming that small percentage of conception taking place will happen to someone else? If you can't support a child or you don't want a child, why plant the seeds? Is it really so much to ask that a couple willing to sleep together also be prepared for the potential for a child? Are we beyond expecting responsibility of ourselves? Are we above having to suffer the consequences of making mistakes, hasty decisions, or ill-informed decisions?

To cap this post, I readily concede my example for "potential" was a spectacularly flimsy one. I'll make a note to avoid that.
Like you conceded that your "potential" argument is less than useless, I will also have to concede that if people truly want to have sex, but don't want children they should not look at abortion as their answer. Their answer is double contraceptives: condom and pills, but also be ready to use abortion as a final last resort. Abortion should never be the first contraceptive a couple can fall back on, but an extreme last resort.

Also, abortion comes very much in handy when a young woman who is not sexually active (and thus has no need to be on the pill) gets raped by a man who doesn't use a condom. In these cases, any arguments about how a couple mature enough to have sex, should be mature enough to at least consider the possibility of conceiving a child, and how they would deal with such a situation (which is a very good point), becomes moot.