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Atmos Duality

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When peaceful protest escalates beyond that, we leave the important realm of "why".
I don't condone any action that suppresses anyone's right to peaceful protest, no matter what the reason, no matter what the cause.

The instant we cross that line into forceful measures, then we can only assume that the other party isn't interested in 'why' any more.

This is why it's important to keep bias out of civil discussion. It's a core component for free speech and free thought to work.

I hate what these Phelps protesters are doing, and I disagree with their message... but that does not give anyone the right to assault them. Period.

If you believe in free speech, then don't condone such actions, because you are in fact, agreeing to a double standard ("protesters' rights should be protected...as long as I don't disagree with their message").
 

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The Austin said:
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I'm going to laugh my ass off when Fred Phelps ends up in Hell.

Oh the irony will be so delicious.
Actually, I don't think that will happen, because there is no heaven or hell or any god to worry about pissing off.
Wow, thank you so much for missing the point of my post to tell me that my religious views are wrong.

I'm SO glad that you contributed so much to this conversation.

You know what? I have been enlightened. I'm going to stop following the deep and complex metaphysical and philosophical ideologies I have been living my life by, just because some guy on the internet told me that they were wrong.
Your welcome.
Wow. "Your welcome". Didn't see that coming.
Don't you dare tell me that my beliefs are wrong, because they are just as valid as yours, weather you can admit it or not.
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The Austin said:
I'm going to laugh my ass off when Fred Phelps ends up in Hell.

Oh the irony will be so delicious.
That's definitely not irony.

He shouldn't have done that. They have the right to believe whatever stupid shit they want. This just gives them attention.
Hows that not irony? i'm just saying, that the guy constantly spouts that everyone is going to hell, so I'm just saying that it would be funny if he ended up going to hell.

Thats irony! :D
That's true, I my beliefs are no more valid than yours. Except mine are based on evidence (or lack thereof) and reason. I could get into details, but frankly, I just don't care.

But I will say this. When I was young I was jumping around from religion to religion, before I heard Penn Jillette's essay on atheism, it clicked for me, and I never truly realized that was an option, that it was okay to be an atheist. It never clicked for me. Call me stupid or whatever.

Anyway, my point is thus. I seem to have made you angry, and that was not my intention. I apologize, I have this snarky side to me that I find hard to control. But the reason I mentioned that I'm an atheist is the same reason I first got into atheism. Through the sharing of ideas. Honestly, I'm hoping more people will realize it's okay to be an atheist and sign up.

You know I'm open to the idea of Christianity, I'm just looking for evidence. So far I haven't seen it.

By the way, I agree, it would be ironic for Phelps to end up in hell. But I think deep down the man's an atheist, because I refuse to believe anyone would pray for people to die, while believing prayer is not bullshit.
 

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here's what I would have done:
1. get a TON of hot sauce (like habenero, the kind where if ou ingest too much you need to go to a hospital)
2. fill water balloons
3. MAKE IT RAIN.
 

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Worgen said:
as much as I like the idea of them all getting beat into a bloody mess, we have to keep in mind that freedom of speech isnt for speech you like, its for speech you hate
I share your sentiments. As much as I would love for them to get assulted again and again, everything theyve done is legal and I regretfully accept that.

Hopefully theyre also the type of christian that refuses medical care becuase it would be an insult to God (sadly the show enough cunning that its highly doubtfull).
 

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Shockolate said:
I always thought that Paintball guns from a nearby building would be a better...."attack," for lack of a better word.
It's also a felony...

So instead of misdemeanor assaults it would be a felony for each one.

Much worse and isn't nearly as painful.

Personally, he shoul dhave drove into them instead.
 

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Acting as bad, or in this case worse, than the WBC, is not something I would do, or condone doing.
 

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I heard the WBC uses this extreme view to get money. They protest someone attacks them and they sue. They make money. I don't know how true that is. No sane person would do anything that crazy. Im not sure if the are sane or not though.
 

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Ultratwinkie said:
what you're describing is Agnostic, not Atheism. Agnostics are open to the idea of god, Atheism rejects it entirely. Atheism isn't some after-school club to "sign up" to look cool, its a very personal choice. Experience life by yourself, think for yourself, make choices by yourself. That is why its called a personal choice, no one can force you.

There are more religions and beliefs than Muslim, Atheism, Judaism, and Christianity you know. There is Nihilism, Deism, etc. There is a wide range of beliefs, and people can make their own. There is another thing in your post, you don't seem to differentiate god and religion. They are two different things.
Actually, the worlds most outspoken Atheist, Richard Dawkins, has said he would believe in god if someone provided solid evidence. You're confusing Atheism with every other religion.

I believe there is no god. But if you can prove me wrong, I welcome it. That doesn't make me an Agnostic, that makes me an Atheist with self-respect, or as some say, a Teapot Agnostic. You see I'm also open to the idea of a teapot orbiting Mars, but I don't think it's there.
 

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Ultratwinkie said:
BlackWidower said:
Ultratwinkie said:
what you're describing is Agnostic, not Atheism. Agnostics are open to the idea of god, Atheism rejects it entirely. Atheism isn't some after-school club to "sign up" to look cool, its a very personal choice. Experience life by yourself, think for yourself, make choices by yourself. That is why its called a personal choice, no one can force you.

There are more religions and beliefs than Muslim, Atheism, Judaism, and Christianity you know. There is Nihilism, Deism, etc. There is a wide range of beliefs, and people can make their own. There is another thing in your post, you don't seem to differentiate god and religion. They are two different things.
Actually, the worlds most outspoken Atheist, Richard Dawkins, has said he would believe in god if someone provided solid evidence. You're confusing Atheism with every other religion.

I believe there is no god. But if you can prove me wrong, I welcome it. That doesn't make me an Agnostic, that makes me an Atheist with self-respect, or as some say, a Teapot Agnostic. You see I'm also open to the idea of a teapot orbiting Mars, but I don't think it's there.
Actually Richard Dawkins cannot tell the difference between multiple beliefs and Atheism. Richard Dawkins does not control Atheism, nor does he dictate what Atheism is. He is a person with faults, not the infallible Atheist pope that people make him out to be. Hell Dawkins tried to push Einstein, and Benjamin Franklin as Atheists despite being known Deists.

Dawkins is not infallible (far from it as he contradicts himself in multiple instances), he is just another human on earth with faults like everyone else. To use the "it's okay because Richard Dawkins says it is" argument is an insult to Atheism. Richard Dawkins did not create Atheism, nor does he control it.
Wow, nice going, missing the point entirely. True, Dawkins does not dictate what Atheism is, but neither do you. Being open to the idea of there being a god, providing evidence, doesn't make me an Agnostic, it makes me an Atheist. Most Atheists will believe in god if you provide evidence, but since there is no evidence we don't. I don't know why you decided to bash Richard Dawkins, because that really wasn't the point.
 

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I understand protecting Free speech and we need to protect it.........but having said that i think if your speech is vile like the WBC then you deserve this kinda of thing

but i might be biased since im a Vet
 

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Where were those biker gangs dedicated to shielding the family from those jerks?