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Worgen said:
as much as I like the idea of them all getting beat into a bloody mess, we have to keep in mind that freedom of speech isnt for speech you like, its for speech you hate
I get that you can say what you want but going to a funeral and doing it is just being a dick.
 

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Worgen said:
as much as I like the idea of them all getting beat into a bloody mess, we have to keep in mind that freedom of speech isnt for speech you like, its for speech you hate
no it isn't, freedom of speech is for speech which respects "other speeches", get what I'm saying?
as far as I know they arnt advocating taking away other peoples right to speech, they are just being assholes

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Worgen said:
as much as I like the idea of them all getting beat into a bloody mess, we have to keep in mind that freedom of speech isnt for speech you like, its for speech you hate
I get that you can say what you want but going to a funeral and doing it is just being a dick.
never said they werent being massive assholes, Im just saying that as much as I disagree with what they say I refuse to condemn the right to say it
 

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i've got an idea, everyone get a restraining order against them, and then if they come within 500 yards of anyone other than themselves, cops come and beat the shit out of them. soon they might just leave the country or end up in jail. and if they're in jail, they're gonna die. it's the perfect plan.
Never though of that, but it sure sounds like fun!
 

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bloodmage2 said:
the constitution roughly states that you have your rights as long as they don't infringe upon the rights of others. picketing a funeral procession, making the service unbearable certainly infringes on other rights. I'm surprised the man didn't start taking swings at anyone not knocked over by the spray.
I'm inclined to agree with this. As a species, we've pretty clearly adopted a wide variety of funerary rites, but the vast majority of them call for solemnity and serenity. I think actively impeding the proper execution of such rituals qualifies as unprotected speech.

Also, everything is eventually ruined. Free speech was so fucking sweet when it prevented the tyranny of an oppressive minority, but free speech sorta sucks now that it's serving the tyranny of an idiotic minority.

Edit: everyone seems to be hating on the fact that he brought his kid along. He might have preceded his pepper spraying with an impassioned monologue about how to stand up to hate-mongering assclowns, which would make the involvement of his child oddly touching.
 

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Prof. Jiggle Physics said:
I absolutely despises what these people stand for. Yet I must agree with the statements concerning the Fist Amendment; however that does not mean that I have to like it.

This man gives me hope for the USA.
 

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Worgen said:
k3v1n said:
Worgen said:
as much as I like the idea of them all getting beat into a bloody mess, we have to keep in mind that freedom of speech isnt for speech you like, its for speech you hate
no it isn't, freedom of speech is for speech which respects "other speeches", get what I'm saying?
as far as I know they arnt advocating taking away other peoples right to speech, they are just being assholes

xmbts said:
Worgen said:
as much as I like the idea of them all getting beat into a bloody mess, we have to keep in mind that freedom of speech isnt for speech you like, its for speech you hate
I get that you can say what you want but going to a funeral and doing it is just being a dick.
never said they werent being massive assholes, Im just saying that as much as I disagree with what they say I refuse to condemn the right to say it
no, I'm sorry, you clearly have a wrong idea of what "freedom of Speech" is, freedom of speech does not defend hate speech or any form of discrimination or hatred towards others, and CLEARLY these guys are not respecting others.

and..really? do you really beleive EVERYONE has the right to speak his mind? should fascists/religious extremists/sexists/racsists/homophobes/etc. have the right to say their opinion?
 

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Worgen said:
never said they werent being massive assholes, Im just saying that as much as I disagree with what they say I refuse to condemn the right to say it
Oh I know you weren't standing up for that I'm just saying.
On a related note I would like to go to one of their churches with a sign that reads "God hates intolerant scum", I doubt they would be backing the first amendment in that situation.
 

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I wish we could do what they did in the old days. If a group doesnt represent your religion how you want them to, you burn them at the stake. Ah witch hunts.
 

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I am disgusted that he did this with his kid in the truck, and I think that him spraying in such a way to also hit counter-protesters was unacceptable.

From a philosophical/moral standpoint, I support his pepper spraying the Westboro Baptist Church. From a practical standpoint, its probably good he was arrested for it. What if next time it was Fred Phelps and crew pepper spraying a gay pride parade? Then we wouldn't be so happy about it.
 

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k3v1n said:
Worgen said:
k3v1n said:
Worgen said:
as much as I like the idea of them all getting beat into a bloody mess, we have to keep in mind that freedom of speech isnt for speech you like, its for speech you hate
no it isn't, freedom of speech is for speech which respects "other speeches", get what I'm saying?
as far as I know they arnt advocating taking away other peoples right to speech, they are just being assholes

xmbts said:
Worgen said:
as much as I like the idea of them all getting beat into a bloody mess, we have to keep in mind that freedom of speech isnt for speech you like, its for speech you hate
I get that you can say what you want but going to a funeral and doing it is just being a dick.
never said they werent being massive assholes, Im just saying that as much as I disagree with what they say I refuse to condemn the right to say it
no, I'm sorry, you clearly have a wrong idea of what "freedom of Speech" is, freedom of speech does not defend hate speech or any form of discrimination or hatred towards others, and CLEARLY these guys are not respecting others.

and..really? do you really beleive EVERYONE has the right to speak his mind? should fascists/religious extremists/sexists/racsists/homophobes/etc. have the right to say their opinion?
as long as they are advocating the harm of others its their right to spew whatever crap they want just as its everyone elses right to counter them and mock how stupid they are and the reason why its so important it stays that way is because its not hard to move from that to getting rid of the right to disagree. Hell this is a videogame site, there are more then a few people who would love to see videogames removed from being protected speech, there is currently a case being seen by the supreme court about that right now. All you have to do is look at the history of comics and the mccarthy era to see what can happen when you start limiting speech. And really in the end these shit heads are doing more damage to them selfs then anyone else could, well assuming they dont have a bulldozer
 

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Worgen said:
as long as they are advocating the harm of others its their right to spew whatever crap they want just as its everyone elses right to counter them
As much as I never thought I'd say this, I agree. It is important to preserve religious freedom (whether people agree or not), because to outlaw someones belief system is, to me, far worse then even outlawing videogames, because to outlaw a belief system, you're telling someone it is illegal to even think a certain way.
 

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theSovietConnection said:
Worgen said:
as long as they are advocating the harm of others its their right to spew whatever crap they want just as its everyone elses right to counter them
As much as I never thought I'd say this, I agree. It is important to preserve religious freedom (whether people agree or not), because to outlaw someones belief system is, to me, far worse then even outlawing videogames, because to outlaw a belief system, you're telling someone it is illegal to even think a certain way.
oh I dont give a damn about religion, its all horrible to me, but I have a deep respect for the ability to say what we want without being punished for it (with the stipulation of not advocating harm)
 

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Why bother with pepper spray? Wasp spray is ten times worse. Kid you not, it'll make you go blind.