Marijuana Legalized in Two States

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blackrave

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This is amazing. If only Texas would follow suit (YEAH RIGHT). I wonder though, what happens to the people already in jail?
I assumes they remain to finish their sentences. Regardless of the law now, they were still breaking the law when they were arrested.
Well that would suck. They're wasting their lives in jail while everyone else is getting higher than the empire state.
Reminds me that one dude that was imprisoned in 16(or17) century for smoking tobacco (something about demons and religion and blablabla)
Basically he was imprisoned for a lot of time (I'm not sure, but I think it was 20 or 30 years)
And the most fucked up thing was that tobacco was legalized few years (5y tops) after he was imprisoned
And yes, he was pissed when he came out of prison
But at least now there is a chance to appeal :)


Macgyvercas said:
Okay, government. Got an idea for you. You know you like money, right. Well, legalize marijuana...and then tax it.
It even might bring prices down
Because high prices are dictated by it being risky business
When you remove danger to sell marihuana and replace it with acceptable tax, price should go down
 

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Okay, government. Got an idea for you. You know you like money, right. Well, legalize marijuana...and then tax it.
 

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I don't do, nor intend to ever do drugs and can't reeeeally see why you would, but to each their own I guess. Better it be legalised than sold by gangs and shit.
 

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Evil Smurf said:
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Education is important here, I would not touch weed because I don't want a mental illness. Each to his own I suppose.
Are you also afraid of vaccines causing Autism? Just curious...

OT: Awesome. Glad to see another progressive Dutch policy, besides gay marriage, is being adopted abroad (give us our 5 minutes of fame, we don't get them that often... our last chance with football kinda failed...).
No, I know that that is false, Autism is a thing you are born with. No I say it can cause mental problems because several adults I trust have told me this, I have got friends who have self attained schizophrenia from drug abuse and it is tragic. Maybe with proper use this does not occur, But I would not tempt fate.
To incur Schizophrenia you'd either have to smoke Marijuana from birth every single day all day long or, much more likely, use stuff that's a lot heavier like cocaine. I'd make sure those adults have degrees in psychiatry before you take their word on issues like this.

Marijuana, if used by an adult, is about as dangerous as alcohol. Which means it has it's risks but poses no real danger with casual use.
 

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Macgyvercas said:
Okay, government. Got an idea for you. You know you like money, right. Well, legalize marijuana...and then tax it.
The only counter argument to Taxing it is would allowing people to smoke MJ create more strain on the health care system (this may only apply to country's where you get free health care) i could be wrong on this one but alcohol and tobacco is legal in the UK and does the tax from this out weigh the costs put onto the NHS (national health service)?

I would like to believe that legalizing and taxing MJ wouldn't put anymore of a strain on the health service than alcohol or smoking but i can't say this with authority so just some food for thought :)
 

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Rastien said:
Also food for thought maybe?, i've never seen 2 stoners fighting, but if i walk up the road on a friday night at 2AM when the bars are kicking out it's a safe bet i will find someone fighting with someone else.
Nobody's claimed that pot makes you violent, though. That's like saying that you've sure never seen anyone getting a bullet in the head from putting a joint in his mouth, but people who do that with guns usually do. Or you could say that your teeth don't get cavities from smoking pot, but candy sure gives you some. You're really just syaing that marijuana doesn't do something nobody said it does.
 

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Rastien said:
Macgyvercas said:
Okay, government. Got an idea for you. You know you like money, right. Well, legalize marijuana...and then tax it.
The only counter argument to Taxing it is would allowing people to smoke MJ create more strain on the health care system (this may only apply to country's where you get free health care) i could be wrong on this one but alcohol and tobacco is legal in the UK and does the tax from this out weigh the costs put onto the NHS (national health service)?

I would like to believe that legalizing and taxing MJ wouldn't put anymore of a strain on the health service than alcohol or smoking but i can't say this with authority so just some food for thought :)
If I recall my freshman presentation correctly, marijuana is actually less dangerous than caffiene, alcohol, and nicotine, all of which are legal.
 

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Queen Michael said:
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Also food for thought maybe?, i've never seen 2 stoners fighting, but if i walk up the road on a friday night at 2AM when the bars are kicking out it's a safe bet i will find someone fighting with someone else.
Nobody's claimed that pot makes you violent, though. That's like saying that you've sure never seen anyone getting a bullet in the head from putting a joint in his mouth, but people who do that with guns usually do. Or you could say that your teeth don't get cavities from smoking pot, but candy sure gives you some. You're really just syaing that marijuana doesn't do something nobody said it does.
It was more pointing out that smoking pot generally doesn't require police time to intervene as public disruption or acts of violence tend not to occur whilst on the substance. Police time and resources costs money that's all :) sorry if i made this point in an ass backwards way ^^

Macgyvercas said:
Rastien said:
Macgyvercas said:
Okay, government. Got an idea for you. You know you like money, right. Well, legalize marijuana...and then tax it.
The only counter argument to Taxing it is would allowing people to smoke MJ create more strain on the health care system (this may only apply to country's where you get free health care) i could be wrong on this one but alcohol and tobacco is legal in the UK and does the tax from this out weigh the costs put onto the NHS (national health service)?

I would like to believe that legalizing and taxing MJ wouldn't put anymore of a strain on the health service than alcohol or smoking but i can't say this with authority so just some food for thought :)
If I recall my freshman presentation correctly, marijuana is actually less dangerous than caffiene, alcohol, and nicotine, all of which are legal.
I would agree but i can't confirm this with any degree of authority so can't state it as fact :)
 

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Good to see that the world is moving a tiny bit in the right direction.

Now let's just hope that they don't just go "legalize it" and leave it at that.
A fairly radical change like this needs follow up to make sure children aren't encouraged to smoke, and that the cannabis comes from legal growers.
If they were to legalize marijuana, but still let the drug be supplied by violent criminals, the problem wouldn't be solved at all.

I just hope that legalizing isn't only about giving people the personal freedoms they should be entitled to, but also about making the world of recreational drug use a safer and less crime-laced place.
 

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As someone who's lived in California his whole life, I can honestly say WHAT THE FUCK I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY BEAT US TO IT. On top of that I would like to add that this is going to be the sink or swim moment for recreational marijuana legalization. If the benefits outweigh the negatives (as I suspect they will being as pot's pretty tame compared to alchohol) then countrywide legalization is inevitable.
 

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...I don't have a problem with people smoking and jazz so long as they don't try to make me start once I tell them I'm not interested.
You have a problem with JAZZ? :O
Kidding, kidding. SO kidding.
To be fair, I started on Jazz a while back.
I know I should try to stop, but it's just so hard.
Damn it man! Don't you know jazz is a gateway substance?
If you don't quit listening to jazz, it'll only be a matter of time before you start doing harder stuff like marijuana.
Just go to any jazz club in a major city and see the evidence for yourself.
 

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I just hope the people in Columbia, and Washington can be sensible with this new legitimization.

Then hopefully other politicians in other countries can see that legalizing it in their country could be a valid option. Only time will tell if this "Social experiment" (so to speak) will go down well with the people and the politicians.

I can't see it taking off in the UK anytime soon though, even despite being one of the countries that has one of the biggest percentages of cannabis users in the world. Mainly because our politicians seem to be ignorant to drugs, evident by the fact that cannabis is a class B drug (Yeah that's bullshit!).

Apparently 5 million smoke it, or have smoked it in the UK, which is a considerable amount considering there are 65 million in the UK. I guess I'm one of those 5 mil...
 

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I smoke every day, and my biggest problem is getting decent stuff. Smoking a joint is as normal for me, as having a cup of coffee, in fact, I wouldn't have a cup of coffee at home without a joint. Most people would label me a pothead, but I've only really been properly stoned a couple of times this year, it relaxes me, that's why I smoke it... being stoned out of your mind is actually pretty unpleasant IMO - I like the middle ground, when you hear sounds differently, surround sound systems freak you out, you get the munchies and waffles turn into the most awesome invention ever. Being so stoned that you don't want to have any more is not fun. I have been smoking for... about 20 years, and have never felt the need to take anything stronger.

Incidently I'm a programmer, have never been out of work, I write computer games while stoned - in fact I really enjoy that because it can take away the tedium. My brother smokes as much as I do, he likes to play racing games while stoned... it kinda shifts your perspective, when you can forget all the usual shit and just do something, spend your whole brain on 1 task and do it well - weed provides that clarity of thought. It's not like your worries disappear or anything like that, it's more like weed makes your brain prioritise between what you want to do, and what you think you should do... Like I should really go home after work and do the dishes, put a washing on, cook my dinner, tidy up, do some work, and be in bed before 10. I won't - I'll go home have some weed, play Borderlands2 with my friends, phone for a pizza, and re-fricken-lax. The way I see it, if you get up and go work all day, the rest of the night should be about what you want to do, and sometimes it sickens me to see people run around like a headless chicken after work... chill the fuck out! Smoking a joint or 2 is the best remedy for the bullshit we put ourselves through every day.
 

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I hope that legalisation works for them, and that the citizens accept their new freedom with an accompanying sense of responsibility to work to mitigate risk and make this a positive example.
 

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I know where my next vacation is.
It's too bad I don't see it becoming a nation-wide thing: the prison industry and pharmaceutical lobbyists have too much money and would never let that happen.
 
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Rastien said:
Macgyvercas said:
Okay, government. Got an idea for you. You know you like money, right. Well, legalize marijuana...and then tax it.
The only counter argument to Taxing it is would allowing people to smoke MJ create more strain on the health care system (this may only apply to country's where you get free health care) i could be wrong on this one but alcohol and tobacco is legal in the UK and does the tax from this out weigh the costs put onto the NHS (national health service)?
Cigarettes: Massively.

From 20012 Cigarette tax £12 billion.

http://www.the-tma.org.uk/tma-publications-research/facts-figures/tax-revenue-from-tobacco/

Approx cost of smoking to NHS £5 billion

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/smoking-costs-nhs-pound5bn-a-year-1700509.html

So about £7billion "profit"

Alcohol: Massively not

Alcohol cost £25 billion.

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/230760-25billion-spent-on-alcohol-abuse

alcohol takes in about £15 billion

http://www.wsta.co.uk/facts-and-figures.html

So about £10 billion loss.

So overall about £3 billion down. Alcohol is a particular problem here though, the weekend night ritual of going out and getting insanely drunk, having sex with random drunk strangers and then getting into a fight turns most city centres into massive drunken fuck-brawls at weekends.
 

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Here comes an old Bill Hicks joke.

They really took their time to legalise a drug that has directly killed NO ONE, and lets put that in a time frame people, EVER.

And I thought it would have gone without saying that the same rules apply to this drug as all others; use it responsibly, there should be a reasonable legal age attached to it, it shouldn't be advertised and people should be properly educated any potential harm it can cause.

One of the reasons I started smoking cannabis is because I found out that half the propaganda they feed you in school (it causes schizophrenia etc.) is completely untrue or greatly exaggerated.
 

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Macgyvercas said:
Okay, government. Got an idea for you. You know you like money, right. Well, legalize marijuana...and then tax it.
I can see it now, a Golden Virginia pouch of weed being sold behind the counter.

That would be so epic!

Sadly though that would never happen, but my local Newsagents does sell the long Rizla papers, that would only really be used to make spliff's. I find it funny that the paraphernalia such as bongs for cannabis is sold everywhere in the UK even in market stalls, and poundland.
 
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FelixG said:
I wonder if the mods will do their job and smack down the people admitting to the drug use in this thread like they smack pirates.

Anyone want to make any bets?
I've never seen the mods issue warnings to anyone admitting to using drugs. Ever. So I'll bet on no. Drug use isn't directly related to the Escapist's business though, piracy is.