Marines Desecrate Insurgent corpse, urinate on it
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Oh nice. We're giving some of the most advanced military equipment in the world to men with the emotional maturity of five year olds. So much for military respect and discipline, next they'll be chopping up the bodies and feeding them to the mine-sweeping dogs.
Lead by example. I for one wouldn't sink so low as that. These people have been kept ignorant by their former rulers, of course they'll resort to barbarism, their government has been a psychotic system of abuse and terror.Heimir said:
You first need to soothe them to the point where they don't reflexively attack you as a knee jerk emotional fear response due to all the anti-western propaganda the taliban forced down their throats, then educate them and bring them up to our level.
Oh, no. I know from experience that if the Escapist community has one fault, it's taking the actions of individuals as the motive of the whole.
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I hope you don't all do that here because that would be- Ahh, too late.
Also, off topic, but why is the comment box randomly expanding? It's creepy.
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I hope you don't all do that here because that would be- Ahh, too late.
Also, off topic, but why is the comment box randomly expanding? It's creepy.
You know, I hope that when these dickheads are caught, their commanding officer fucking tears strips off them til there's nothing but the soles of their boots left of them. It would also be a good idea to perhaps assign them to assist in the burying if the indiginous dead.slopeslider said:
Lads, you're supposed to be members of the US Marine Corps. One of the loudest, proudest branches of the US Armed Forces: this sort of frat-boy bullshit should be beneath you and frankly I think you shame the uniform you're wearing.
The fact that you can see they derive pleasure from urinating on corpses is quite disturbing, to say the least.
Yes, because desecration is such a vital part of being a soldier.Brett Dumain said:
West's attitude is despicable. I don't need to be a chef to know when the food is burnt. I don't need to be a pilot to know when the plane has crashed. I also have no idea how he managed to miss the massive freakout everybody had over the treatment of the Blackwater bodies. Mistreatment of our soldiers bodies is in no way justification for the reverse. Isn't the whole point of this that we're supposed to be BETTER than them?
I could care less. I can see why the marines would do this, for your reasons above, but it is still completely unprofessional and disrespectful. we can't sink to the terrorists' levels. We have to kill them with kindness--kindness and bullets.Heimir said:
Typical American liberal. The Middle East has been murdering protesters for almost a year, and you describe a few Occupiers getting pepper-sprayed as a 'violent crackdown.' Seriously, get some perspective.Wicky_42 said:
OT: As usual, it's not the act that's the problem, it's the fact that they got caught. As far as violations of the laws of war go, corpse desecration is about as benign as you can get. But now we're in negotiations with the Taliban (never thought I'd say that), and they're about as stable as meth addicts in a trash compacter. Things like this will set anyone off, but we really don't want them walking away from talks right now. If this had come to light four or five years ago, they'd probably have gotten some form of Non-Judicial Punishment (NJP) and the media would have forgotten about it in a couple weeks. NCIS certainly wouldn't be involved.
Personally, I don't give a flying fuck about what happens to Taliban corpses. They're an irregular force that use the dirtiest, lowest, mot despicable tactics imaginable, and I'd like to see them burn for it. However, the US military needs to hold itself to a higher standard so as not to give all the anti-American talking heads out there more proof that the US is an evil Imperial Death Star predecessor with kitten-fur coats.
Well, isnt that the most obvious lie ever? Nothing? You think nothing happened when we first saw that videos of beheadings were being uploaded? If we did nothing that would have been the right response, its a fear tactic and remaining exactly the same is the best response. Its why all these changes in the name of National Defence is fucking stupid and its why we have already lost to the terrorists.Synek said:
You let them scare you and change your way of life, becoming more right-wing which is exactly what Islamic Extremists wanted. They wanted your countries to be like their countries, less rights, more religious inteference in daily life... more extreme reactions to gay people and differing religious views. All of this happened, so yeah... we lose.
And yeah, if you are going to claim to be morally superior then dont piss on corpses. Simple.
My brother is a Navy Corpsman and while over there he told me the most horrible things the Taliban were doing to people. He had to deal with charred toddlers because they would hold them over fires for torture. Captured marines would be dragged by trucks on rocky desert grounds and be decapitated. While pissing on a corpse is yes a bit uncivilized and barbaric, you have to take a step back and realize that that part of the world is one of the most backwards places on the planet right now.
http://www.military.com/news/article/graphic-video-shows-troops-urinating-on-dead-taliban.html?ESRC=dod.nl
They are being investigated, "Panetta said. ?This conduct is entirely inappropriate for members of the United States military and does not reflect the standards or values our armed forces are sworn to uphold" (Miltiary.com).
This is a disgusting act and I hope they're caught soon.
They are being investigated, "Panetta said. ?This conduct is entirely inappropriate for members of the United States military and does not reflect the standards or values our armed forces are sworn to uphold" (Miltiary.com).
This is a disgusting act and I hope they're caught soon.
Who cares. Dehumanizing the enemy is pretty standard practice in war. Seems the main reason that many people are upset is that the international prestige of the USMC might be tarnished. I can understand why the official line is condemnation, but really this dosen't seem that bad given the countless other far more severe atrocities (justified or not) which have taken place.
Very few people cared all that much that much about the "collateral murder" video which IMO is far more shocking. I don't think there was even an official response to it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0
Very few people cared all that much that much about the "collateral murder" video which IMO is far more shocking. I don't think there was even an official response to it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0
Yeah, I'm so American I actually visited the country for two whole weeks!. Fail. Typical Right-wing propagandist response. Again, quoting news articles featured on the Escapist. You do realise that, although they do have a fine selection of hats, the escapist isn't the only source for news?The Long Road said:
If i was the taliban id be more offended that id been shot and killed rather than my meaningless remains were desecrated. I love life more than i love my future dead body. War is curious. We meet, we shake hands, we brutally murder eachother, we clean the blood up and everyone goes home in their three piece suits. Ettiquete is fundamental apparently. How odd, we manage to attatch strange emotional ties to acts in war ABOVE the killing of one another. No one questioned the fact that three men were shot dead and murdered. Everyone questioned than their bodies got ill respected. Would you rather be pissed on or shot in the face? I know which one i would.
However what the marines did was wrong. They need to show locals they are kind. They are caring. And that when they fight, they do so for others, for peace and not for revenge or cruelty. These actions dont show this. They show angry soldiers. And when the poor civilan with an AK forced into his hands aims down the sight at a US trooper what will he see. A man who is fighting for the civilians freedom? Or a man who pisses on the dead enemy for the sake of revenge? And what will he think then?
We need to show these people that what we do is right. We need to make what we are doing right. We cant lose sight of fighting for liberty and peace. The enemy do monstrous things, but its NEVER ok to debase ourselves to the enemies level when it is a war against those we call "evil". It isnt ok to become hitler when fighting hitler. It isnt ok to commit war crimes even against the filthiest war criminal. We can hold our heads high and tell the civilians who live there, "We can give you a better life than this violence, if we win your life will get better". But with this video how can we? All they see is scary mob soldiers fighting other scary mob soldiers. We have to SHOW who is the diciplined force of peace keepers and who are the insurgents.
However what the marines did was wrong. They need to show locals they are kind. They are caring. And that when they fight, they do so for others, for peace and not for revenge or cruelty. These actions dont show this. They show angry soldiers. And when the poor civilan with an AK forced into his hands aims down the sight at a US trooper what will he see. A man who is fighting for the civilians freedom? Or a man who pisses on the dead enemy for the sake of revenge? And what will he think then?
We need to show these people that what we do is right. We need to make what we are doing right. We cant lose sight of fighting for liberty and peace. The enemy do monstrous things, but its NEVER ok to debase ourselves to the enemies level when it is a war against those we call "evil". It isnt ok to become hitler when fighting hitler. It isnt ok to commit war crimes even against the filthiest war criminal. We can hold our heads high and tell the civilians who live there, "We can give you a better life than this violence, if we win your life will get better". But with this video how can we? All they see is scary mob soldiers fighting other scary mob soldiers. We have to SHOW who is the diciplined force of peace keepers and who are the insurgents.