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jdun

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No one was bitching when the Russians wrap dead Chechen in pig skins and shit. No one was complaining when Samurai warriors used dead opponents to test their new blades. No one was complaining when bulldozer dump countless of bodies combatants into mass graves in WWII.
 

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Hal10k said:
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Couldn't care less. Deficate on them too for good measure. Have you seen what the locals do to the corpses of marines? Now thats barbaric. When you allow your children to pull them to pieces and batter them with sticks and stones all while chanting "Allah Akbhar".
When we're condemning a country for their actions to the point of war, we can't just turn around and start acting like them.
They why does America only get their retards to become soldiers? The standard for the american forces is pretty low in comparison to the standards of lets say european forces.
Marines are cannon fodder. Literally. That is their entire purpose. First in, last out. They take the bullets so that the people worth something don't have to.

That's not to say that all Marines are dumb muscle and some do actively choose to be there, but most are put into the US Marines because they have more brawn than brains.

That's probably why.
Hm, I thought it was because they were elite infantry (compared to the regular army anyway) and elites are better at their job. Or at least that's the vibe I seem to be getting from every video game, movie, and book involving them.
In theory, the main thing that distinguishes the United States Marine Corp from the other military service branches is an increased speed and effectiveness at which they can be deployed. The name "marine" originally referred to the amphibious assaults undertaken by forces of their nature, but the modern day Marine Corp is a bit more diverse in this regard.

In practice, there are a few factors that lead to the "dumb but tough" Marine stereotype. The primary factor is that boot camp for Marines is actually harder for the Marines than the other branches: it lasts longer, has higher fitness requirements, and has more difficult marksmanship requirements.
I fail to see how being better shots makes marines dumbasses.
That's just the explanation for the "tough" part of the stereotype. The best reason I can think of for the "dumb" part is the tendency for people to associate an inverse relation between strength and intelligence.
IIRC over 90% of US military personnel have graduated from High School and the majority of them have a college degree.
 

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jdun said:
Hal10k said:
Double A said:
Hal10k said:
Double A said:
Kopikatsu said:
Heimir said:
Sexy Devil said:
Heimir said:
Couldn't care less. Deficate on them too for good measure. Have you seen what the locals do to the corpses of marines? Now thats barbaric. When you allow your children to pull them to pieces and batter them with sticks and stones all while chanting "Allah Akbhar".
When we're condemning a country for their actions to the point of war, we can't just turn around and start acting like them.
They why does America only get their retards to become soldiers? The standard for the american forces is pretty low in comparison to the standards of lets say european forces.
Marines are cannon fodder. Literally. That is their entire purpose. First in, last out. They take the bullets so that the people worth something don't have to.

That's not to say that all Marines are dumb muscle and some do actively choose to be there, but most are put into the US Marines because they have more brawn than brains.

That's probably why.
Hm, I thought it was because they were elite infantry (compared to the regular army anyway) and elites are better at their job. Or at least that's the vibe I seem to be getting from every video game, movie, and book involving them.
In theory, the main thing that distinguishes the United States Marine Corp from the other military service branches is an increased speed and effectiveness at which they can be deployed. The name "marine" originally referred to the amphibious assaults undertaken by forces of their nature, but the modern day Marine Corp is a bit more diverse in this regard.

In practice, there are a few factors that lead to the "dumb but tough" Marine stereotype. The primary factor is that boot camp for Marines is actually harder for the Marines than the other branches: it lasts longer, has higher fitness requirements, and has more difficult marksmanship requirements.
I fail to see how being better shots makes marines dumbasses.
That's just the explanation for the "tough" part of the stereotype. The best reason I can think of for the "dumb" part is the tendency for people to associate an inverse relation between strength and intelligence.
IIRC over 90% of US military personnel have graduated from High School and the majority of them have a college degree.
I'm certainly not saying that they are actually less intelligent, I was referring to the point in the conversation that I originally quoted where somebody referred to the Marines as "more brawn than brains". I was trying to come up with a logical reason for why that stereotype exists, but I only got as far as "People tend to think tough=strong", leaving my post rather truncated. Most of the service members that I've met in my life have been rather polite and intelligent.
 

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It was proven and documented that the Taliban used torture techniques. While this isn't acceptable at all it's not like there saints either. True, we used torture to but...you know what? Nobody is innocent in all of this. Does it really matter? I can't prove it but I wouldn't have a hard believing that there wasn't at least one Taliban member who pissed on captured soldiers. I'm sure there's a long un-storied history of soldiers peeing on enemy soldiers dead. Is this a deplorable act to do and film? Yes. Have much worse more disrespectful things been done by both Taliban and American forces? Yes. I still don't have much sympathy for anyone who is a member of a group where strapping bombs to one's self and exploding themselves in crowded areas filled with civilians isn't somewhat looked down upon but this still shouldn't have happened. Has it happened before? Probably. Will it happen again? Probably.
I would like to think that peoples moral standard isnt "Well, terrorists do it.", isnt the entire point of all of this SHIT that somehow "we" are better than "them"?

Well, at least I can say I dont support either group and my actions prove that I am morally superior to them. The problem is the action movie mentality of your home team being the unquestionable "good guys" rather than their actions deciding who is and is not good, this mentality allows them to do ANYTHING and get a parade when tey come home and be hailed as "heroes". News flash, heroes dont desecrate corpses or kill with a smile.
 

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This is what happens when you send immature young men to fight for reasons that are unclear or non-existant.

I understand that most soldier are professional and wouldn't even think about doing something like this but frankly it seems like this kind of thing is becoming more common, or at least made public more.
 

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Anyway, I'm not going to watch the video, but I don't think that this video nearly compares to the damage we've done first-hand, with the blood of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians on our hands. Iraq now has over 5 million orphans, which is half of the children there. It's disgusting, and it's our fault for being there for 10 years. Afghanistan isn't much better.
You do know that the insurgents have killed 1000x more civilians than the coalition troops have right? Also that whether or not being there the people would still be dying and leaving millions of orphans? You do know that Muslims are pretty much at a civil war in the Middle East because of the Sunni Shiite sects? Hell there was a section in Afghanistan where the fighting just STOPPED because all of the Sunnis I think it was were killed.
Er, no, you're incredibly wrong. We've directly killed well over 100,000 civies in Iraq alone, far more than insurgents have. In Afghanistan the numbers are closer, with insurgents killing more civies than we have.

We have killed more civilians than insurgents have, and we have killed more civilians THAN insurgents. Fact.
 

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Yeah, not terribly offended by this. Sure it's "Unprofessional" and a little stupid, but insurgents are scumbags. Religious fanatics who try to kill American soldiers whenever and however they can, so forgive me if I don't really care about showing their corpses the utmost respect.

And this is coming from a guy who doesn't have a single nationalistic bone in his body.
 

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These guys are dumb. Why let yourself get taped doing this?
The Russian did it. They wrap Chechen in pig skin and shit. Posted it on the internet and the Russian people love it. Not only that the world didn't care. A double standard IMO.
 

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No need to worry about this story hitting the mainstream media anymore, it already has. I've been hearing about it off and on all throughout the day, just check any news station, I'm sure you'll see it on there eventually. Apparently this vid was made sometime over the summer, and the guys have already been identified. Only 2 of them will be held accountable though, because the other two have already left the Marine Corps before this was brought to light.
 

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One of the worst parts about this is that its going to make the whole military look bad. I don't think I know one person in the military who would do such a thing, they might be your enemy but there is supposed to be respect for the dead and most people who are in the military respect that.
 

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Wicky_42 said:
Well, I guess you could source all your news about current events from Escapist forum posts, but I prefer to read around a little, noting stories of journalists trying to cover the Occupy crackdown being arrested or detained, reports on Whitehouse backed violence against peaceful protestors as part of an organised, systemic intimidation campaign against those willing to speak up against the American government's continuous, unquestioning support of entrenched corporate interests that played counterpoint to the American medias' constant derision of the movement and continuous peddling of lies and misinformation to suppress a civil protest that as far as I can see is in the best interests of everyone bar (surprise surprise) those very few with exorbitant wealth and the obscene power and political clout that goes with it.

"-Libya-wanted democratic elections to occur
-Occupy-were pissed that people weren't voting the way that they want
Conditions"
Libya wanted change. Occupy wanted change - nothing to do with people voting, everything to do with the wealthy who have caused the current economic climate to contribute a proportional share in its recovery. Is that so hard to understand?

I found this fun to read, [http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/nov/25/shocking-truth-about-crackdown-occupy]with a follow-up here [http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/dec/02/crackdown-occupy-controversy-rebuttal-naomi-wolf]
See, here we go again, in your mind the current economic climate=bad, oppression in Libya=bad, therefore current economic climate=oppression in Libya.

In my mind, the more intelligent occupy protesters can argue something of a point, a point that I disagree with, but it is there. Only the smug, self entitled bastards think that their situation is comparable to that of pro-democracy protesters being gunned down in the streets. Try rereading the comparrisons again. Try comparing the so called violent crackdown to the one that actually happened in Libya.

And while you're at it, try to use a more relaible source next time, because here's a little scoop that I found fun to track, when you're source calls something a shocking truth and paints a vast, shaddowy conspiracy reminiscent of dues ex and uses a site that has the catagory 'uprising' as her evidence it may not be as impartial as you think. The fact that this seemed to be your ace in the hole to immediatly show that a bunch of people well off enough to use their Iphones to track the status of their protest were in the same boat as democracy protesters who, and I know I sound like a broken record on this one, were being gunned down in the fucking streets in the thousands, is worrying. (seriously death toll of occupy wall street crackdown- well I couldn't find one but rest assure that I will edit it in if you find it. death toll of Libyan civil war 25-30000 with 4000 still unnacounted for.)

Forgive me if I'm leary of people telling me what occupy... wanted? We're using the past term now? Well at least even the supporters are now admitting the whole thing has faded like a fart in the wind. Sorry, diversion, leary of people telling me what occupy wanted because so many of you were insistent of the fact that you had no consistent message. I went by occupy melbourne and was told that so long as I was angry, I was a part of occupy, but when I indicated a desire to occupy occupy melbourne until they left, it did not go down well.

I also like the snide little comment about my reading sources, no proof, no indications as to why you think this so, only the hope that the world fits into the little hole that you have set for it, where the government is evil and faceless, the protesters heroic freedom fighters and all of your opponents either shills for the corporate overlords or simply missinformed, waiting for your superior knowledge to come and rescue them.

Finally and somewhat hiliariously, what motivated me to post in the first place; the thread title. Marines desecrate insurgent corpse. No mention to libya, no mention of occupy wall street and no mention of corporations. The only rational conclusion that I can come to is that you have some sort of echelon type system installed on your computer that gives you a popup everytime brown people, Americans, guns and the chance of a protest come together.

You and your freinds are not in the same league as the Libyan protests/civil war, it is really obvious to anyone outside of the movement and so next time that little box pops up on your screen telling you that Pakistan is considering an official protest about... you know what, I'm going to kill that joke right there, because I am having trouble thinking of a less relevent threat to your cause than this one right here. All I'm asking is that when that box comes up and asks if you want to try to puff up your self indulgent, entitled cause, please please please, look at where you're doing it and don't try to compare yourself to people who died, fucking died in their thousands in an attempt to get the basic rights that you take for granted, even the ones that you had before OWS came by and fixed everything. In the before times, in the long long ago.
 

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ElPatron said:
NotSoLoneWanderer said:
It was proven and documented that the Taliban used torture techniques.
So do the United States, lawl.


Either way, by doing that they are only making their country look bad to the eyes of the rest of the world, spoon feeding their enemies with propaganda, making people rage against the "capitalist pigs" and fight US soldiers.

It's not like they need to piss off (pun definitely not intended) even more people to gain enemies.
I said we do too but this was just something that shouldn't have been video taped let alone done. They also put there unit name and post in the video description. Not a smart move either.
 

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Kinguendo said:
NotSoLoneWanderer said:
It was proven and documented that the Taliban used torture techniques. While this isn't acceptable at all it's not like there saints either. True, we used torture to but...you know what? Nobody is innocent in all of this. Does it really matter? I can't prove it but I wouldn't have a hard believing that there wasn't at least one Taliban member who pissed on captured soldiers. I'm sure there's a long un-storied history of soldiers peeing on enemy soldiers dead. Is this a deplorable act to do and film? Yes. Have much worse more disrespectful things been done by both Taliban and American forces? Yes. I still don't have much sympathy for anyone who is a member of a group where strapping bombs to one's self and exploding themselves in crowded areas filled with civilians isn't somewhat looked down upon but this still shouldn't have happened. Has it happened before? Probably. Will it happen again? Probably.
I would like to think that peoples moral standard isnt "Well, terrorists do it.", isnt the entire point of all of this SHIT that somehow "we" are better than "them"?

Well, at least I can say I dont support either group and my actions prove that I am morally superior to them. The problem is the action movie mentality of your home team being the unquestionable "good guys" rather than their actions deciding who is and is not good, this mentality allows them to do ANYTHING and get a parade when tey come home and be hailed as "heroes". News flash, heroes dont desecrate corpses or kill with a smile.
I'd like to say were better then them but we've done things on there level too. The fact is we aren't "better" or "worse" we just don't announce our terrorism publicly. I hope your not saying I have any notion of a hollywood mentality when it comes to good and evil. Hope this isn't coming off as defensive and angry but I'm well aware of the morally grey world we inhabit.
 

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Kinguendo said:
NotSoLoneWanderer said:
It was proven and documented that the Taliban used torture techniques. While this isn't acceptable at all it's not like there saints either. True, we used torture to but...you know what? Nobody is innocent in all of this. Does it really matter? I can't prove it but I wouldn't have a hard believing that there wasn't at least one Taliban member who pissed on captured soldiers. I'm sure there's a long un-storied history of soldiers peeing on enemy soldiers dead. Is this a deplorable act to do and film? Yes. Have much worse more disrespectful things been done by both Taliban and American forces? Yes. I still don't have much sympathy for anyone who is a member of a group where strapping bombs to one's self and exploding themselves in crowded areas filled with civilians isn't somewhat looked down upon but this still shouldn't have happened. Has it happened before? Probably. Will it happen again? Probably.
I would like to think that peoples moral standard isnt "Well, terrorists do it.", isnt the entire point of all of this SHIT that somehow "we" are better than "them"?

Well, at least I can say I dont support either group and my actions prove that I am morally superior to them. The problem is the action movie mentality of your home team being the unquestionable "good guys" rather than their actions deciding who is and is not good, this mentality allows them to do ANYTHING and get a parade when tey come home and be hailed as "heroes". News flash, heroes dont desecrate corpses or kill with a smile.
I'd like to say were better then them but we've done things on there level too. The fact is we aren't "better" or "worse" we just don't announce our terrorism publicly. I hope your not saying I have any notion of a hollywood mentality when it comes to good and evil. Hope this isn't coming off as defensive and angry but I'm well aware of the morally grey world we inhabit.
 

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It's appaling, by most peoples standards, and it's even more shocking when you think that they didn't learn after colleagues in similar situations got in trouble the last time in Iraq!

Don't forget though (and i'm not trying to justify there actions, I do think it discusting) that these are a bunch of lads who find beating eachother senceless a funny game... I've known marines who, as a source of entertainment, will piss into a mates pocket in a bar, or dare someone to down a pint of sick... To these lads this was probably nothing! Just a joke...

I haven't looked into the story much, yet, but I am more shocked at the guys in charge of these marines... They are the ones who let this happen, and ultimately they will be the ones getting it in the neck! Thats pretty much how it works!

And I agree with @Daystar_Clarion. As western soldiers they should know better, and they have a degree of proffessionalism they should conduct. I don't know about the US, but I receive, as part of yearly training, awareness of conduction yourself in the battlefeild. We go back and look at the Iraqi prisoner incidents, and reaffirm that it shouldn't happen. Afghan civilians have a different idea of life and death, and havent received the education, or conduct themselves to the same level of morals as we do, but that doesn't mean we should backpeddle to their level and treat them the same way!
 
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Smeggs said:
I'm not even going to look at the Youtube comments.

I can aready pretty accurately guess what I'll find.

"Americans are fucking pigs, go die."
"WE DE BEST CUNTRY EVUR!"
"The [Insert Countryman] would never do something like that."
"*Someone pulls out historic instances of said country's cruelty*"
And so on and so forth.
And my personal favourite.

'That's nothing, you should have seen what I did to your mum last night.'