No one was bitching when the Russians wrap dead Chechen in pig skins and shit. No one was complaining when Samurai warriors used dead opponents to test their new blades. No one was complaining when bulldozer dump countless of bodies combatants into mass graves in WWII.
Marines Desecrate Insurgent corpse, urinate on it
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I'm certainly not saying that they are actually less intelligent, I was referring to the point in the conversation that I originally quoted where somebody referred to the Marines as "more brawn than brains". I was trying to come up with a logical reason for why that stereotype exists, but I only got as far as "People tend to think tough=strong", leaving my post rather truncated. Most of the service members that I've met in my life have been rather polite and intelligent.jdun said:
I would like to think that peoples moral standard isnt "Well, terrorists do it.", isnt the entire point of all of this SHIT that somehow "we" are better than "them"?NotSoLoneWanderer said:
Well, at least I can say I dont support either group and my actions prove that I am morally superior to them. The problem is the action movie mentality of your home team being the unquestionable "good guys" rather than their actions deciding who is and is not good, this mentality allows them to do ANYTHING and get a parade when tey come home and be hailed as "heroes". News flash, heroes dont desecrate corpses or kill with a smile.
This is what happens when you send immature young men to fight for reasons that are unclear or non-existant.
I understand that most soldier are professional and wouldn't even think about doing something like this but frankly it seems like this kind of thing is becoming more common, or at least made public more.
I understand that most soldier are professional and wouldn't even think about doing something like this but frankly it seems like this kind of thing is becoming more common, or at least made public more.
Er, no, you're incredibly wrong. We've directly killed well over 100,000 civies in Iraq alone, far more than insurgents have. In Afghanistan the numbers are closer, with insurgents killing more civies than we have.Krion_Vark said:
We have killed more civilians than insurgents have, and we have killed more civilians THAN insurgents. Fact.
Yeah, not terribly offended by this. Sure it's "Unprofessional" and a little stupid, but insurgents are scumbags. Religious fanatics who try to kill American soldiers whenever and however they can, so forgive me if I don't really care about showing their corpses the utmost respect.
And this is coming from a guy who doesn't have a single nationalistic bone in his body.
And this is coming from a guy who doesn't have a single nationalistic bone in his body.
No need to worry about this story hitting the mainstream media anymore, it already has. I've been hearing about it off and on all throughout the day, just check any news station, I'm sure you'll see it on there eventually. Apparently this vid was made sometime over the summer, and the guys have already been identified. Only 2 of them will be held accountable though, because the other two have already left the Marine Corps before this was brought to light.
One of the worst parts about this is that its going to make the whole military look bad. I don't think I know one person in the military who would do such a thing, they might be your enemy but there is supposed to be respect for the dead and most people who are in the military respect that.
See, here we go again, in your mind the current economic climate=bad, oppression in Libya=bad, therefore current economic climate=oppression in Libya.Wicky_42 said:
In my mind, the more intelligent occupy protesters can argue something of a point, a point that I disagree with, but it is there. Only the smug, self entitled bastards think that their situation is comparable to that of pro-democracy protesters being gunned down in the streets. Try rereading the comparrisons again. Try comparing the so called violent crackdown to the one that actually happened in Libya.
And while you're at it, try to use a more relaible source next time, because here's a little scoop that I found fun to track, when you're source calls something a shocking truth and paints a vast, shaddowy conspiracy reminiscent of dues ex and uses a site that has the catagory 'uprising' as her evidence it may not be as impartial as you think. The fact that this seemed to be your ace in the hole to immediatly show that a bunch of people well off enough to use their Iphones to track the status of their protest were in the same boat as democracy protesters who, and I know I sound like a broken record on this one, were being gunned down in the fucking streets in the thousands, is worrying. (seriously death toll of occupy wall street crackdown- well I couldn't find one but rest assure that I will edit it in if you find it. death toll of Libyan civil war 25-30000 with 4000 still unnacounted for.)
Forgive me if I'm leary of people telling me what occupy... wanted? We're using the past term now? Well at least even the supporters are now admitting the whole thing has faded like a fart in the wind. Sorry, diversion, leary of people telling me what occupy wanted because so many of you were insistent of the fact that you had no consistent message. I went by occupy melbourne and was told that so long as I was angry, I was a part of occupy, but when I indicated a desire to occupy occupy melbourne until they left, it did not go down well.
I also like the snide little comment about my reading sources, no proof, no indications as to why you think this so, only the hope that the world fits into the little hole that you have set for it, where the government is evil and faceless, the protesters heroic freedom fighters and all of your opponents either shills for the corporate overlords or simply missinformed, waiting for your superior knowledge to come and rescue them.
Finally and somewhat hiliariously, what motivated me to post in the first place; the thread title. Marines desecrate insurgent corpse. No mention to libya, no mention of occupy wall street and no mention of corporations. The only rational conclusion that I can come to is that you have some sort of echelon type system installed on your computer that gives you a popup everytime brown people, Americans, guns and the chance of a protest come together.
You and your freinds are not in the same league as the Libyan protests/civil war, it is really obvious to anyone outside of the movement and so next time that little box pops up on your screen telling you that Pakistan is considering an official protest about... you know what, I'm going to kill that joke right there, because I am having trouble thinking of a less relevent threat to your cause than this one right here. All I'm asking is that when that box comes up and asks if you want to try to puff up your self indulgent, entitled cause, please please please, look at where you're doing it and don't try to compare yourself to people who died, fucking died in their thousands in an attempt to get the basic rights that you take for granted, even the ones that you had before OWS came by and fixed everything. In the before times, in the long long ago.
I said we do too but this was just something that shouldn't have been video taped let alone done. They also put there unit name and post in the video description. Not a smart move either.ElPatron said:
I'd like to say were better then them but we've done things on there level too. The fact is we aren't "better" or "worse" we just don't announce our terrorism publicly. I hope your not saying I have any notion of a hollywood mentality when it comes to good and evil. Hope this isn't coming off as defensive and angry but I'm well aware of the morally grey world we inhabit.Kinguendo said:
I'd like to say were better then them but we've done things on there level too. The fact is we aren't "better" or "worse" we just don't announce our terrorism publicly. I hope your not saying I have any notion of a hollywood mentality when it comes to good and evil. Hope this isn't coming off as defensive and angry but I'm well aware of the morally grey world we inhabit.Kinguendo said:
It's appaling, by most peoples standards, and it's even more shocking when you think that they didn't learn after colleagues in similar situations got in trouble the last time in Iraq!
Don't forget though (and i'm not trying to justify there actions, I do think it discusting) that these are a bunch of lads who find beating eachother senceless a funny game... I've known marines who, as a source of entertainment, will piss into a mates pocket in a bar, or dare someone to down a pint of sick... To these lads this was probably nothing! Just a joke...
I haven't looked into the story much, yet, but I am more shocked at the guys in charge of these marines... They are the ones who let this happen, and ultimately they will be the ones getting it in the neck! Thats pretty much how it works!
And I agree with @Daystar_Clarion. As western soldiers they should know better, and they have a degree of proffessionalism they should conduct. I don't know about the US, but I receive, as part of yearly training, awareness of conduction yourself in the battlefeild. We go back and look at the Iraqi prisoner incidents, and reaffirm that it shouldn't happen. Afghan civilians have a different idea of life and death, and havent received the education, or conduct themselves to the same level of morals as we do, but that doesn't mean we should backpeddle to their level and treat them the same way!
Don't forget though (and i'm not trying to justify there actions, I do think it discusting) that these are a bunch of lads who find beating eachother senceless a funny game... I've known marines who, as a source of entertainment, will piss into a mates pocket in a bar, or dare someone to down a pint of sick... To these lads this was probably nothing! Just a joke...
I haven't looked into the story much, yet, but I am more shocked at the guys in charge of these marines... They are the ones who let this happen, and ultimately they will be the ones getting it in the neck! Thats pretty much how it works!
And I agree with @Daystar_Clarion. As western soldiers they should know better, and they have a degree of proffessionalism they should conduct. I don't know about the US, but I receive, as part of yearly training, awareness of conduction yourself in the battlefeild. We go back and look at the Iraqi prisoner incidents, and reaffirm that it shouldn't happen. Afghan civilians have a different idea of life and death, and havent received the education, or conduct themselves to the same level of morals as we do, but that doesn't mean we should backpeddle to their level and treat them the same way!
And my personal favourite.Smeggs said:
'That's nothing, you should have seen what I did to your mum last night.'