Marines Desecrate Insurgent corpse, urinate on it

[the clockmaker]

Couldn't care less. Deficate on them too for good measure. Have you seen what the locals do to the corpses of marines? Now thats barbaric. When you allow your children to pull them to pieces and batter them with sticks and stones all while chanting "Allah Akbhar".

When we're condemning a country for their actions to the point of war, we can't just turn around and start acting like them.

This. It would almost be like bombing a country because its regime was violently cracking down democratically-minded protesters, then turning round and doing the same thing to your own citizens...

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OH WAIT :/

Can we get a raincheck on occupy protesters comparing themselves to the Libyan rebels, is there a lever that says 'pull in case of entitlement or persecution complex' that just causes people to think about what their actually saying, can we at least look into one?
differances
Motivation
-Libya-wanted democratic elections to occur
-Occupy-were pissed that people weren't voting the way that they want
Conditions
-Libya-a country ruled by a dictator who had no intention of stepping down, where any dissent is crushed mercilessly
-Occupy-The western world, where leaders change depending on the vote and any dissent is met with acclaim in roughly half the population depending on the slant of the dissent
The Violent crackdown (most notable incident)
-Occupy- the cop who maced a group of university protesters
-Libya- the murder of thousands of unarmed civilians with a massive toll on infrastructure
Achievements
-Libya- brought down the government
-occupy- mildly inconvenianced city workers and police, broke a few windows

 

[the clockmaker]

So business as usual for the US Marine Corp? Many, not all, but many men who join the military do it because their raving sadists and bullies who want legitimate power. Same reason people join the police force. Them doing something like this does not surprise me.

Do you care to back that up mate, or is it the sort of thing that you just know?

 

[Jedoro]

Touching the corpse with their left hand probably would have been a sufficient insult, but hey, Marines aren't renowned for their intellect.

 

[AT God]

I must admit, I am amazed how political this became. Its a shame we as a species can't get past this crap. War atrocities happen, but that doesn't make them ok. The country that did it shouldn't matter, the reasoning behind the war shouldn't matter. Desecrating a corpse is not okay. Don't blame the marines for this, war creates monsters out of men, it should be dealt with individually, not pawned off as some politcal statement. In all honesty, these comments seem like the audio to from a Fox & Friends show.

 

[The Bum]

"Ours (our army) is composed of the scum of the earth - the mere scum of the earth." - The Duke of Wellington

No one said all soldiers were honourable.

 

[Grospoliner]

Man that's sad.

Completely disrespectful and unprofessional. Although from the many years the war has gone on, this isn't the first time something like this has happened, and other thing have been much worse.

Tell that the to insurgents that plant roadside bombs and detonate them regardless of what non-combatants are near by. In my opinion they should wrap these guys in bacon and bury them in a shallow grave. They don't fight in uniform, they don't protect civilians, they don't know the concept of honor or valor. To be clear I am under no illusion that all of our soldiers are decent folks, yeah civilians get killed in our airstrikes, but our soldiers don't wrap women and children in suicide vests and tell them to blow up checkpoints, or London buses, or Afghan girl's schools.

 

[Marik2]

If this thread is still up in 24 hours without any mod action I'm leaving this site. Just saying.

Yeah I'm just as surprised as you are that this thread is still fucking going....

But don't leave man, you're like the fine wine of this site. You give out great life lessons and you're in the music business.

 

[Kopikatsu]

Couldn't care less. Deficate on them too for good measure. Have you seen what the locals do to the corpses of marines? Now thats barbaric. When you allow your children to pull them to pieces and batter them with sticks and stones all while chanting "Allah Akbhar".

When we're condemning a country for their actions to the point of war, we can't just turn around and start acting like them.

They why does America only get their retards to become soldiers? The standard for the american forces is pretty low in comparison to the standards of lets say european forces.

Marines are cannon fodder. Literally. That is their entire purpose. First in, last out. They take the bullets so that the people worth something don't have to.

That's not to say that all Marines are dumb muscle and some do actively choose to be there, but most are put into the US Marines because they have more brawn than brains.

That's probably why.

 

[manic_depressive13]

Well, yeah. I don't object to any of the comments but I'm amazed that the video has been posted and not removed. When I think that how relatively harmless pornographic content ISN'T allowed on this site, to think that a video of some guys flopping out their dicks and pissing on corpses is allowed is in my opinion the height of hypocrisy and it needs to be removed or I'm outta here. I know mods have a busy job, hence maybe it got overlooked so I'm giving them 24 hours.

Can you actually see their dicks? I wouldn't know what was happening if it weren't for the title and the growing stain on the dead men's shirts. I see images on this site of extremely skimpily clad women all the time. I don't see how this is worse when you can't even see anything. I also find it disturbing that you think posting pornography and raising awareness about the reprehensible behaviour of American troops in the middle east is somehow comparable.

 

[ImmortalDrifter]

Well let's see... I don't see him saying that it isn't offensive. I don't see him saying it isn't desecration. I do wonder why you talk about their actions being overlooked because we don't exactly have the authority to discipline Taliban troops. Yes, we're definitely just overlooking what they do instead of, oh I dunno, trying to discipline enemy troops.

I mean really, I think it's pretty obvious. We're not supposed to have as low standards as them. Btw, refraining from desecrating a corpse isn't what it takes to be a 'paragon of virtue'. It kinda helps keep them away from 'violent thug' status, it isn't some kind of bonus point.

When did I bring up discipline of them? At all? And there is a major difference between finding an act morally wrong and stopping it. I'm saying that if it's wrong for the U.S. it should be just as wrong for them. There's a difference between trying to discipline enemy troops and saying the following "Americas military is composed of sadistic bastard becasue of the actions of a small group of soldiers/the taliban are pissing on a dead American soldier well that's completely fine."

Crap like this happens in every war, these marines were just stupid enough to tape it.

 

[ryanxm]

Oh god, this certainly doesn't help in any way. Fucking terrible is what it is. Not only will some people make the assumption that a majority of marines are complete dicks, but the groups associated with that dead man will become outraged, and rightfully so. This man may have very well deserved to die. May have done some REALLY fucked up things, I don't know. But when someone's dead, leave them be. There was absolutely no need to do such a thing to that body.

 

[Elementlmage]

I can't imagine their superiors will be happy with this. But I don't see anything inherently wrong with the act, apart from it being disrespectful to most cultures.

Most?


OT:

Yeah, I'm pretty sure desecration of a corpse is illegal under US Law and is a complete violation of the spirit of the Geneva Convention(Conduct in War)/Hague Accords(Conduct on the Battlefield). I'm not one to down on soldiers deployed to active warzone; they have a hard job that is almost impossible for a civi to understand. But Jesus fuck, that was just uncalled for! Why not go find that guys son and kick him square in the nuts while you are at it!

WE are better than this and THEY need to be made an example of!

 

[ImmortalDrifter]

I didn't say it was any better if they did it to us, what I'm saying is that if they do it to us, then it just makes them look worse. We ARE required to be the paragons of virtue.
You know why that is?

Because no national leader sits behind his desk wondering how to impress the Taliban. America has a responsibility it has been shirking. The most well-funded military in the world and they even fancy themselves liberators, and yet their knights in shining armour can't help but desecrate the corpses of their defeated foes? That's not how you gain the trust of the people you're invading.

You did say that it wasn't worth noticing though. I've never heard anyone in the military claim they are knights in shining armor, don't go into Bush rhetoric. And if the Taliban are manipulative thugs, why would anyone but the Taliban care? Would you lift a finger if you saw a WW2 soldier of any allied nation pissing on the corpse of a nazi? Would the jews he oppressed care? Would those jews think less of the allied soldier as he gave them food and shelter because of said corpse pissing? I know the Nazis are an easy strawman, but it fits my point well.

 

[Grouchy Imp_v1legacy]

Winning hearts and minds indeed...

This shit is all over the <a href=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16522973>BBC. And of course the attitudes of these irreverent meatheads will used as propaganda to discredit the 99.99% of the services who are professionals. Well done you dumb pricks, you've just fuelled a new wave of Taliban recruitment.

I can't decide whether I'm fucking angry, fucking depressed, or fucking ashamed.

 

[II2]

As a rule of thumb, peeing on dead things is pointless and crude.

That said, fucked up stuff happens during war and the frustrations of tense, battle hardened soldiers tends to cook off in strange ways. Maybe the dead insurgents had killed someone they all liked, or respected. Maybe they're just young, angry men with a dehumanized view of their enemies and an overinflated sense of license acting in petulant defiance. Maybe they're just massive dicks.

I wouldn't want to BE them, I wouldn't want to BE around / associated with them and I wouldn't want to BE where they ARE. Bad scene, all around.

 

[Thyunda]

I didn't say it was any better if they did it to us, what I'm saying is that if they do it to us, then it just makes them look worse. We ARE required to be the paragons of virtue.
You know why that is?

Because no national leader sits behind his desk wondering how to impress the Taliban. America has a responsibility it has been shirking. The most well-funded military in the world and they even fancy themselves liberators, and yet their knights in shining armour can't help but desecrate the corpses of their defeated foes? That's not how you gain the trust of the people you're invading.

You did say that it wasn't worth noticing though. I've never heard anyone in the military claim they are knights in shining armor, don't go into Bush rhetoric. And if the Taliban are manipulative thugs, why would anyone but the Taliban care? Would you lift a finger if you saw a WW2 soldier of any allied nation pissing on the corpse of a nazi? Would the jews he oppressed care? Would those jews think less of the allied soldier as he gave them food and shelter because of said corpse pissing? I know the Nazis are an easy strawman, but it fits my point well.

That's actually a very good argument. And you know what? I'm gonna have to get back to you on it when I've had some rest and my brain's back to full. WW2 was rife with both sides committing atrocious acts that were forgotten in the chaos of total war. Maybe I don't see it as the same because WW2 was essentially 'Defeat the evil empire', and there was no delicacy. The Allies could be as heavy handed as they liked, because Nazis were the bad guys. End of story.

In this case...I would say it's different because the US is fighting a war of public presentation as much as against an enemy. Think of it on the lines of an Iraqi citizen. If you start misbehaving because the Taliban aren't any better, you have to remember that you are how the citizens will see America. Seeing Marines pissing on Taliban corpses will have a different effect, because you guys are the replacement, essentially. People will quietly wonder what the difference between having a few Taliban men lying your husband down in a ditch on suspicion of being a spy, and a U.S. Marine lying him down on suspicion on being in the Taliban.


I totally went off-track with that, but as I said. Need to get back to you.

 

[51gunner]

I think I might be the only one in the entire thread who found that video funny. So be it.

 

[PureIrony]

Yeah, I'm not surprised by this at all. I'm not even disgusted; when you're killing people, you tend to dehumanize them, and hey, every drop helps.

Remember when military troops raped captive women and burnt down villages with napalm? That was something to be disgusted by. But this? This is just too high school.

 

[BonsaiK]

Well, yeah. I don't object to any of the comments but I'm amazed that the video has been posted and not removed. When I think that how relatively harmless pornographic content ISN'T allowed on this site, to think that a video of some guys flopping out their dicks and pissing on corpses is allowed is in my opinion the height of hypocrisy and it needs to be removed or I'm outta here. I know mods have a busy job, hence maybe it got overlooked so I'm giving them 24 hours.

Can you actually see their dicks? I wouldn't know what was happening if it weren't for the title and the growing stain on the dead men's shirts. I see images on this site of extremely skimpily clad women all the time. I don't see how this is worse when you can't even see anything. I also find it disturbing that you think posting pornography and raising awareness about the reprehensible behaviour of American troops in the middle east is somehow comparable.

Can you see their dicks? Yes. At 0:10 the guy second from left gets it out quite clearly.

As for your second objection, they're NOT comparable and that's exactly the point. This video is far worse than any porn I've ever seen. And I've seen a lot of porn. I'm all for awareness-raising but my point is the double-standard that applies to video content here.

Just on another note, the guy who posted this thread here is the same person who own the YouTube channel it's posted on. Therefore he's promoting his own channel, which is advertising, which is banned here. Another reason for the mods to clamp down on this quicksmart, just in case they didn't have enough reasons.