Marvel's Superman and Aquaman?
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actually alot of people HATE the scarlet witch cause of what she did in the house of M, " no more mutants" and yeah... theres only just over 200 mutants alive now thanks to her.lord.jeff said:
and jubilee is somewhat liked now, mostly cause of the lesbian vampire she is now.
I don't think that Marvel has a Superman analogue, at least not in terms of a character who has the really interesting role that Superman plays. It kind of seems like in the Marvel universe the people who are in charge are still more human than meta-human. Think Nick Fury heading up the avengers. I don't read quite enough Marvel to know if he has any other powers beyond being a plain old bad ass, but if he does they're not significant. Nonetheless, he's probably the closest thing that Marvel has to some sort of central leader type character for the universe as a whole.
In DC on the other hand, it isn't the humans who are in charge at all. The Justice League operates of its own accord, and while there are some lesser teams (Like Justice League International) which are under human control, the fact of the matter is that it's just an assembly of the most powerful benevolent forces on the planet. And Superman wasn't elected through meritocracy. Arguably he's not even the strongest (in terms of raw power) character in the DCU, that would probably be Captain Atom. He's just the guy who's always been a strong leader with a powerful moral compass. I don't think Marvel has a character like that.
I would also argue with the premise that Aquaman is the most hated character, at least amongst the DC fanbase. Characters who are genuinely hated don't tend to stay in print for decades. Most of the people who think Aquaman is stupid haven't even bothered to read a comic that he appears in. I think it would be extremely difficult to read Brightest Day, or the current run of Aquaman (which is being written by Jeoff Johns, the guy who brought Hal back, introduced the other Lantern Corps, wrote Blackest Night and Brightest Day, and headed up Flashpoint) and not realize just how interesting a character Aquaman actually is. The most hated DC character would probably be someone like Kyle Rayner (the lantern who took over after Hal went crazy and died).
As for who Marvel's most hated character is, I'm afraid I don't know on that one.
In DC on the other hand, it isn't the humans who are in charge at all. The Justice League operates of its own accord, and while there are some lesser teams (Like Justice League International) which are under human control, the fact of the matter is that it's just an assembly of the most powerful benevolent forces on the planet. And Superman wasn't elected through meritocracy. Arguably he's not even the strongest (in terms of raw power) character in the DCU, that would probably be Captain Atom. He's just the guy who's always been a strong leader with a powerful moral compass. I don't think Marvel has a character like that.
I would also argue with the premise that Aquaman is the most hated character, at least amongst the DC fanbase. Characters who are genuinely hated don't tend to stay in print for decades. Most of the people who think Aquaman is stupid haven't even bothered to read a comic that he appears in. I think it would be extremely difficult to read Brightest Day, or the current run of Aquaman (which is being written by Jeoff Johns, the guy who brought Hal back, introduced the other Lantern Corps, wrote Blackest Night and Brightest Day, and headed up Flashpoint) and not realize just how interesting a character Aquaman actually is. The most hated DC character would probably be someone like Kyle Rayner (the lantern who took over after Hal went crazy and died).
As for who Marvel's most hated character is, I'm afraid I don't know on that one.
nick fury isn't in charge of the avengers, he never has been.Kpt._Rob said:
and aquaman isn't "hated", hes a joke of a Namor ripoff.
so were looking for a buttmonkey... cyclops
Wait...Superman and Aquaman? Wouldn't that be like asking who in the Marvel universe is "super awesome" and which is "merely awesome?"
I'd guess Captain America and Iron Man, personally...
I'd guess Captain America and Iron Man, personally...
You're right, I was thinking SHIELD. He was in charge of SHIELD, correct? My confusion here is probably stemming from my much more lacking experience with the Marvel universe, and the fact that Fury is putting together the Avengers team in the movies.Joseph Alexander said:
Isn't Kyle Rayner credited with singlehandedly reviving the Green Lantern stories? I know at the very least, he was extremely well-received by the fans. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure he's still the most popular of the Lanterns, even beyond Hal Jordan (unless John Stewart has a giant fanbase I'm not aware of).Kpt._Rob said:
Though Norman Osborn did defeat an alien fleet attacking Washington and did kill the Skrull queen (though a lot of other people like Wolverine would have done it moments later if he hadn't). And the US was still reeling from the events of WWHulk. He then embarked on a pretty good campaign of minimising his involvement as a super-villain, I mean Hawkeye, Wonderman, Scarlet Witch and Quiksilver were all super-villains at one time. He also had the assistance of Loki and the Hood, to magic stuff and minimize obvious super crime respectively. Then he was only in power for like, 3-4 months (with the way comic book to real time works) before it all came crashing down with his invasion of Asgard and Captain America's return.Joseph Alexander said:
So it wasn't that bad or unbelievable the support he got.
No, Kyle was pretty immensely unpopular when he first showed up, because he was a replacement not just for Hal, but for the entire Green Lantern Corps. Essentially, the arrival of Rayner spelled a drastic change in the nature of how Green Lantern stories were told, and while that eventually changed back, Rayner never entirely recovered. It was Jeoff Johns (the writer who brought Hal back), who really made the Green Lantern stories popular again.NeutralDrow said:
ok allow me to remind you, WE can't take a candidate seriously if he has marital issues or isn't fucking married.WolfThomas said:
this man used to dress-up in green spandex and fly around bombing NYC cackling and committing several arsons, murders, etc. thats not just good publicity and PR, thats people being too stupid for their own damn good.
1: Who is the most powerful character in Marvel's creation?Dirty Apple said:
The Hulk, nearly unlimited strength, madder he gets the stronger he becomes.
As her nearly beat into submission every other Hero in World war Hulk.
And to the person who said Thor, Hulk beat Thor to near death quite a few times.
2: Who is the most disliked character in Marvel's creation?
Most likely one of the failed and forgettable lesser members of the X-men like Break, Cypher or Choir.
1) In terms of raw power? Well, excluding the "One Beyond All", you're probably going to have to go with any of the various, Omega-level mutants (at least as the term was originally defined).
2) Most disliked character in Marvel's creation? ...I'm assuming Joe Quesada doesn't count? (Had to do it, folks, that Spiderman contribution that shall not be named was too reviled to let me pass up that jab). More seriously...I dunno. Maybe Ink? From what I hear he wasn't exactly well received by the fanbase, nor was Ultimate Marvel's take on Deadpool.
2) Most disliked character in Marvel's creation? ...I'm assuming Joe Quesada doesn't count? (Had to do it, folks, that Spiderman contribution that shall not be named was too reviled to let me pass up that jab). More seriously...I dunno. Maybe Ink? From what I hear he wasn't exactly well received by the fanbase, nor was Ultimate Marvel's take on Deadpool.
Again, he killed an alien queen and appeared to single handedly lead the defense of the capitol. I think at least for a small amount of time, he'd get a lot of public recognition. Like when Osama Bin Laden was killed Obama got a short lived bump in popularity, and he didn't persoanly shoot the guy.Joseph Alexander said:
Again while Osborn admitted to being the Goblin, he did not admit to the vast majority of his crimes, he pointed out how many people have worn the mask and implied he'd only done it for a short while.
But the important thing is he wasn't elected. He was appointed, by George W. Bush on the eve of his term, to a job that usually was pretty hush-hush. So the average man on the street knows Osborn is looking out for him, but not the full extent of his power and resources. Also he foiled an attempt on Obama's life (in Thunderbolts), sure he arranged it in the first place, but the public and president don't know that.
but yeah, most liked super hero or paragon or goody goodness?
least liked or buttmonkey?
most liked: spiderman or wolverine. they've both had their bad points but generally are good appeal.
the paragon: the cap(Captain America, Steve Rogers). heres an idea on just how good the cap is; ok theres this character in marvelU named the super adaptoid he more or less copys the powers, skills, and mannerisms(pretty much DC's Amazo, but upgraded) so when it goes to copy the cap during the fight it immediately stops, lays down it weapons and surrenders. when asked why it responded;"cause it was the right thing to do" no, really thats a evil super villian turning good when it copied the cap. this didn't happen when it copied the other heroes who are good generally(they all have their evil moments) but for the cap being good is an innate part of him.
least liked: there are a few X-men who are frankly useless(or there WERE, there ain't many around anymore) but for the crown of shit it has to go to Rulk. see Rulk is General. Thaddeus "thunderbolt" Ross, as in the guy who hounded bruce banner/hulk idiotically for years sabotaging his numerous attempts to cure himself, but now hes a "monster" himself.. god i love the taste of irony.
buttmonkey:Rulk, literally laser guided karma right here. everyone hates him, his freinds and allies hunt him like a monster now and marvel loves having his asskicked again and again. sometimes this might get you to feel sad for him.. but then you remember that he earned this hell.
least liked or buttmonkey?
most liked: spiderman or wolverine. they've both had their bad points but generally are good appeal.
the paragon: the cap(Captain America, Steve Rogers). heres an idea on just how good the cap is; ok theres this character in marvelU named the super adaptoid he more or less copys the powers, skills, and mannerisms(pretty much DC's Amazo, but upgraded) so when it goes to copy the cap during the fight it immediately stops, lays down it weapons and surrenders. when asked why it responded;"cause it was the right thing to do" no, really thats a evil super villian turning good when it copied the cap. this didn't happen when it copied the other heroes who are good generally(they all have their evil moments) but for the cap being good is an innate part of him.
least liked: there are a few X-men who are frankly useless(or there WERE, there ain't many around anymore) but for the crown of shit it has to go to Rulk. see Rulk is General. Thaddeus "thunderbolt" Ross, as in the guy who hounded bruce banner/hulk idiotically for years sabotaging his numerous attempts to cure himself, but now hes a "monster" himself.. god i love the taste of irony.
buttmonkey:Rulk, literally laser guided karma right here. everyone hates him, his freinds and allies hunt him like a monster now and marvel loves having his asskicked again and again. sometimes this might get you to feel sad for him.. but then you remember that he earned this hell.
Off topic, but I always loved the implied notion the Ghost Rider could of defeated Hulk if Hulk was in fact Guilty.darksakul said:
Ghost Rider is badass.
Well Ghost Rider nearly killed Galactus Single-handedly with the penance stare.SaneAmongInsane said:
Ghost Rider can now hold his ground against Mephisto
We are also assuming Hulk will allow Ghost Rider to be able to get off the penance stare.
Even before the Planet Hulk arc, Hulk is getting smarter, perhaps as smart as his other side Dr Banner.
Then I found this via Wikipedia
During "World War Hulk" it was stated by Dr. Stephen Strange that Ghost Rider might be equally as powerful as the "Green Scar" persona of Hulk ( actually it is stated that Ghost Rider is the most powerful entity created, and that it's human host only served as a "safety switch" to contain the power) and could defeat him, but wouldn't because Ghost Rider only defended the innocent and the Illuminati wasn't innocent.
I see your point