Mary Sues! *Shakes fist*

[jklinders]

Richard Rhal from the Sword of Truth novels. He did start out normal-ish, but 12 books down the line he is an emperor of pretty much the entire world, has the magic of Deus Ex Machina, and still has that sword which is too powerful to describe.

Oh, and if he finds your morals off by more than zero notches from his, he will personally embark on a campaign to destroy you. And given what he has now he got by simply rising to the challenge, you will not win no matter how much Asspull or Diabolus Ex Machina you drop on him.

You guys ever read the Eragon series?

If not, don't. if you have... you know what I'm talking about.

TvTropes hold him as the patron god of Mary Suetopia. He has Richard Rhal as his right hand.

Ive been there, the whole place feels unatrual, in the worst possible way...

Beat me to it.

Worst possible example of overpowered godlike author avatar nonsense I have ever seen.

I don't mind an author giving an opinion on stuff but Goodkind did his collage best to bludgeon his readers to death with them.

Captcha

Zero tolerance

Yes yes indeed captcha, you are so right.

 

[Lord Beautiful]

DON'T YOU BRING THAT EVIL IN HERE! Why would you bring that up? Argh it's horrible.

To quote Spoony, 'BEETRRAAAYYAAAAAALLLL! BE-TRAYAL! THEY BETRAYED ME! THIS GAME SUUUUUUUUUUCKS!

Y'know, in spite of how much DmC is pissing me off, I would so buy it if in a fit of self-awareness, Ninja Theory made the Spoony BETRAYAL! song the actual combat music.

 

[wizzy555]

Been a while since I watched it but Jeffrey Sinclair from Babylon 5?

 

[John Farrell]

Rose Tyler

Rose started out normal enough. She was young, inexperienced and had just left with a strange man to see time and space. With 9, their relationship was sort of like teacher and student. And I can get why 9 decided to take a companion. He wanted to ease his loneliness and return somewhat to the way things were before the time war.

Then the Regeneration happened. Gone was the more open brooding, replaced by a carefree personality hiding survivor`s guilt. The teacher-student type relationship gave way to something akin to two teenagers on a roadtrip. Rose grew a lot quicker during the second season. Then she left the show.

Martha Jones could almost be a Sue, but the key difference is that...I actually felt sorry for her. She quickly fell in love with 10, but he was oblivious, focusing on his lost Rose. Never felt like he was talking to her, but Rose's ghost instead. It's that tragic quality that holds her above Sue status in my head.

Donna was my favorite companion, as she felt like an actual companion instead of a potential love interest. With her feelings of inferiority and brash nature, I almost cried when the mindwipe happened.

The elevation of Rose to Sue status is something I disliked following her departure. When she returns, she is incredibly competent, she gets to keep a clone of the Doctor, she gets to live in luxury with her dead father, yet at the beginning she abandoned her mother and boyfriend to travel with the Doctor. She used to get called out on this. I still like her original tenure, but after she left, whenever she comes up, I just want to bash the Doctor's head in. Hey Doc, if you're so lonely, why don't you visit your granddaughter Susan? At times I questioned whether I was watching the sci-fi equivalent of Twilight.

Just have the post-Donna specials to finish up before I get to 11, so no commentary on Amy or River from me.




On a side note, Daria Morgendorffer in seasons 1 and 2. There is a reason why the fanbase call her during this time "Daria Triumphant". Lost Sue status in the remaining seasons.

 

[Palademon]

... I'm throwing Light Yagami out there. He just... did he fail? Up until the end of the show, did he fail at all? Cuz, just... yeah. Irritates me the nonsense he got away with.

How about L?

Tons of criminals dying in prisons from heart attacks?
Can't be a disease, MUST BE SOMEONE WITH MAGICAL POWERS.
Just because it turns out to be right doesn't mean it makes sense.
There could've been many solutions to all his situations, but he continually singles out the stupidest one and it happens to be correct.

 

[templar1138a]

Princess Cadance from My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.

Seriously. Everyone loves her for no adequately explored reason, and her magical powers are ethically questionable at best.

 

[jklinders]

Richard Rhal from the Sword of Truth novels. He did start out normal-ish, but 12 books down the line he is an emperor of pretty much the entire world, has the magic of Deus Ex Machina, and still has that sword which is too powerful to describe.

Oh, and if he finds your morals off by more than zero notches from his, he will personally embark on a campaign to destroy you. And given what he has now he got by simply rising to the challenge, you will not win no matter how much Asspull or Diabolus Ex Machina you drop on him.

You guys ever read the Eragon series?

If not, don't. if you have... you know what I'm talking about.

TvTropes hold him as the patron god of Mary Suetopia. He has Richard Rhal as his right hand.

Ive been there, the whole place feels unatrual, in the worst possible way...

Beat me to it.

Worst possible example of overpowered godlike author avatar nonsense I have ever seen.

I don't mind an author giving an opinion on stuff but Goodkind did his collage best to bludgeon his readers to death with them.

Captcha

Zero tolerance

Yes yes indeed captcha, you are so right.

One such lecture goes on for like twenty pages! I get the impression that this guy thinks way too highly of himself, and that everything after the first book is just this guy jerking off into my eyes, and his jizz is composed out of Times New Roman letters.

And Excerpts from Atlas Shrugged and whatever other Ayn Rand book he got his inspiration from.

 

[Imperioratorex Caprae]

My prime choices for "Mary-Sue" are Mikael Blomqvist from the Millenium series, Drizzt Do'Urden of Forgotten Realms fame, and Robert Langdon from the Davinci Code. All of these characters display inpenetrable plot armour, and saved at the last moment syndrome. Classic author wish fulfillment on all fronts.

Possibly, but I tend to disagree with the Drizzt assessment. Its mostly because in the long run, no matter how good he is or what he does he can never change the world about him and his high morals and great fighting prowess gain him absolutely nothing.
Especially if you read the more recent books. He's more of less a footnote in Faerun rather than a major player and while he does seem to come out on top, most of the foes he's fought and won against didn't fall to his hand alone, but because of him and his Companions.
And he's really not a goody-two-shoes, he's killed a lot of beings just because they aren't in agreement with his moral standards, and quite a few others in a rage.
Now he's bereft of his companions, travelling a world that doesn't care about his moral standards and hanging out with 2 less-than-reputable beings that before he wouldn't have had a damn thing to do with. Growth is beyond a Mary Sue and Drizzt has grown... it just took him a long time cuz he's a damn elf.

Edit: Oh and he doesn't ever get handed what he wants... How would you characterize a guy who took almost 20 years to actually admit he loved some chick, marry her and then lose her not too long after that along with one of his friends?

 

[GLo Jones]

I pretty sure that SCP-682 [http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-682] is more or less THE go to example of the perfect Mary Sue.

They even got God [http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-343] to try and stop him. They failed.

 

[wizzy555]

... I'm throwing Light Yagami out there. He just... did he fail? Up until the end of the show, did he fail at all? Cuz, just... yeah. Irritates me the nonsense he got away with.

How about L?

Tons of criminals dying in prisons from heart attacks?
Can't be a disease, MUST BE SOMEONE WITH MAGICAL POWERS.
Just because it turns out to be right doesn't mean it makes sense.
There could've been many solutions to all his situations, but he continually singles out the stupidest one and it happens to be correct.

Neither are Mary Sues they are very flawed people, they just happen to be logical Savants.

 

[Spartan212]

I dunno, does Miranda from Mass Effect count?

I don't know, she's kind of a ***** and other characters acknowledge her as such.

Except Shepard never even once gets to directly call her out on her deeply flawed character, and in the third one when the illusive man shows his true colors, it's automatically assumed by shepard that she no longer works with cerberus the next time he sees her. There's no dialogue option for "HEY! *****! THE FUCK IS UP WITH CERBERUS?! I should shoot you!" Nope, he just goes on with it.

And when she dies later, they make this big dramatic moment where you lose control of the dialogue and shepard says "I've never met a woman like you..."

I actually think Liara is a Mary Sue. She's basically flawless. Gets kind of annoying during the third game

 

[Inbar Fink]

Rose Tyler

Rose started out normal enough. She was young, inexperienced and had just left with a strange man to see time and space. With 9, their relationship was sort of like teacher and student. And I can get why 9 decided to take a companion. He wanted to ease his loneliness and return somewhat to the way things were before the time war.

Then the Regeneration happened. Gone was the more open brooding, replaced by a carefree personality hiding survivor`s guilt. The teacher-student type relationship gave way to something akin to two teenagers on a roadtrip. Rose grew a lot quicker during the second season. Then she left the show.

Martha Jones could almost be a Sue, but the key difference is that...I actually felt sorry for her. She quickly fell in love with 10, but he was oblivious, focusing on his lost Rose. Never felt like he was talking to her, but Rose's ghost instead. It's that tragic quality that holds her above Sue status in my head.

Donna was my favorite companion, as she felt like an actual companion instead of a potential love interest. With her feelings of inferiority and brash nature, I almost cried when the mindwipe happened.

The elevation of Rose to Sue status is something I disliked following her departure. When she returns, she is incredibly competent, she gets to keep a clone of the Doctor, she gets to live in luxury with her dead father, yet at the beginning she abandoned her mother and boyfriend to travel with the Doctor. She used to get called out on this. I still like her original tenure, but after she left, whenever she comes up, I just want to bash the Doctor's head in. Hey Doc, if you're so lonely, why don't you visit your granddaughter Susan? At times I questioned whether I was watching the sci-fi equivalent of Twilight.

THIS, so much this.

And somehow, all the Whovians in my family HATE Donna for some reason - but she's my favorite Tennet Companion, she's the only one that feeled like the writers sat down and said "Okay, what characterize the Tenth Doctor and what character will work the best with him?"

And I personally don't feel that River is a Sue. For me, a Sue needs to take the spotlight to herself - Something that River doesn't really do. Sure she gets a lot of awesome moments in "Her" episodes, but she never saves the day, she never make the clever plan to defeat the enemy - She's smart, she knows stuff that thedoctor doesn't know, but he's still clearly smarter than her.
Forest of the Dead - The Doctor figure stuff out, and while River made a heroic Sacrifice, the plan was all the Doctor's
Flesh and Stone - The idea of throwing the angels to the crack? the Doctor
The Big Bang -Plan how to solve the shit that happened in the last episode? Doctor. Big Bang plan? Doctor. Saving the Doctor? Amy
Day of the Moon - The Doctor saved the day
A Good Man Goes to War - River only did two things in this episode, non of them were saving the day
Let's Kill Hitler - River was the antagonist of the episode, and while she saved the Doctor's life - it was thanks to the Doctor that she turned good
The Wedding of River Song - the one who screwed everything up in the first place, the Doctor fixed it and cheated death

And I'm pretty sure Susan died in the Time War.

 

[Skratt]

I've always found Kratos to be one of the biggest Mary Sues. He's such an idealized over the top wish-fulfillment fantasy character I don't think he can be anything but a Mary Sue.

 

[Berithil]

Princess Cadance from My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.

Seriously. Everyone loves her for no adequately explored reason, and her magical powers are ethically questionable at best.

I agree with this. Maybe it's just the fact that, technically, she only got one episode (evil Cadance doesn't count), she seemed a bit too one dimensional, perfect and sue-ish. Hopefully they'll fix that in the next season and give her a more developed character, flaws and all... hopefully. As for her magical powers? The CMC make a love potion to make two people (ponies?)fall in love, and they get in trouble for it. Cadance uses her magic to do the same thing? Everyone loves her for it... alrighty then.

 

[D-Class 198482]

The Great Mighty Poo.
HE'S JUST SO PERFECT, NOBODY CAN SING THAT WELL ON SHORT NOTICE

 

[Wintermoot]

Takumi Fujiwara from Initial D and the Doctor.
doesn't take away that it's not fun to watch.

how is Takumi Fujiwara a mary sue?

Shouldn't ever main character of every shoene anime(Naruto,Ichigo and Luffy etc..)

he is super special awesome at any challenge.
gummy tape? give him a minute
new track he never even saw? oh fiddlesticks the opponent made a mistake.
that being said ID is still fun.
and yes per definition every shonen protag is a gary stue.

 

[Bloodstain]

Going to go with the ultimate Mary sue. The one that puts all others to shame (yes, even Bella swan)

Spoiler: yes, I went there....

"Ebony "Enoby" Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way"

Not even sure if it counts due to how blatantly obvious it is, but I figured I would post it nontheless.....

Enjoy!

Finally. I was going to name her myself.
Also, Bella Swan and I-forgot-the-main-character's-name-of-"Fifty Shades of Grey".

Turns out you can make a tremendous fortune with writing about sexually frustrated Mary Sue. Ah, the middle-aged and teenage women's dream.

 

[Aurora Firestorm]

Just about every main character, really. Why would we be playing or watching or reading about a protagonist if he/she wasn't Special in the universe?

- Harry Potter bleeds Mary Sue out his ears.
- Eragon.
- Lessa from Dragonriders of Pern. I mean, really, slum girl to time traveling dragon queen, just look at that.
- Ash Ketchum. I mean, really? You never evolve your Pokemon? You have a Moral Objection to using evolutionary stones, ever? You fail to catch legendaries, even Mewtwo, when you have the chance? What? And your Pikachu can somehow shock a Golem to death and you win everything important you touch? Gym leaders give you badges out of admiration? WTF?
- As much as I love him, Miles Vorkosigan. He has Magic Plot Armor. Nothing can kill him no matter how hard it tries.