Mass Effect 2 Ending (Spoilers from first post)
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Your vent guys' survival actually depends on who you choose to lead the first fire team. I'm not sure who you can pick for it, but I know that Jacob is definitely a safe choice. I sent Tali through the vent and Jacob to lead the team and it all went smoothly.Ascarus said:
I figure the vent choice is pretty obvious considering the tech demands. I originally picked Samara to lead the the fireteam and it got Legion killed twice. I do quite like how picking the wrong person for a job won't necessarily get that person killed. Adds a little extra spice to the whole mission.Amnestic said:
How is the vent choice obvious yet you pick the solo warrior who hasn't fought alongside companions for centuries over Garrus "I managed to piss off three mercenary companies with twelve people" Vakarian, Miranda "Genetically Engineered and trained to be a perfect tactician" Lawson and Jacob "Ex-Military Veteran with years of experience " Taylor?Rusty Bucket said:
I mean, you may as well have chosen Zaeed "I'm always the only guy left alive" Massani. =_=
Works for me.
Tali goes in the ventilation tube, Garrus leads the second team both times. Mordin or Jacob go back with the survivors if you want them to survive.
Personally I don't think this is set up right though. When picking the 2nd team leader, experience is the biggest factor they emphasize in the game and tech skill is emphasized for the ventilation tube.
Shouldn't Zaeed have more experience than Garrus? I picked him my first play through and he dies. I sent Legion in the tube, assuming he'd have better tech skills (being a machine) and when he came out he took a cut scene rocket to the face and died too. Don't make sense.
Tali goes in the ventilation tube, Garrus leads the second team both times. Mordin or Jacob go back with the survivors if you want them to survive.
Personally I don't think this is set up right though. When picking the 2nd team leader, experience is the biggest factor they emphasize in the game and tech skill is emphasized for the ventilation tube.
Shouldn't Zaeed have more experience than Garrus? I picked him my first play through and he dies. I sent Legion in the tube, assuming he'd have better tech skills (being a machine) and when he came out he took a cut scene rocket to the face and died too. Don't make sense.
Zaeed might have more experience (questionable, I'll double check that), but if you'll notice, every team Zaeed has served on ended up all dying except for him. Garrus on the other hand had a badass team of a dozen or so people who managed to use small-squad tactics to piss off three mercenary companies to the point that they actually joined up just to take him down, not to mention Garrus' history as a C-Sec operative and a soldier in the Turian military.jthm said:
As for the vents, Legion is able to do them, but if he's not loyal, or the fire team leader isn't a loyal Miranda/Jacob/Garrus then the vent person dies.
This isn't rocket surgery people.
But he was loyal. They were all loyal. I did a completionist run of the game and bought all the upgrades. Legion still died. I'm saying that it doesn't make sense that an organic being should have faster and better hacking skills than a sentient machine. I see your point about Zaeed, though I don't remember him saying everyone on every team he's ever been on has always died. I get the mechanic of making the loyal upgraded ones more likely to survive, but story wise it doesn't make goddamn sense, especially if I took the time to make every single character loyal.Amnestic said:
My theory is that both Garrus and Tali will be in the next game as they have reliably available voice actors, so having them killed off isn't an option. All Salarians sound the same, so mordin is expendable. Besides, gamewise he isn't a superhacker, he's a biologist. The game calls for someone who can hack the collector's door open, which implies either the hacker from the race of hackers or (one would think) the machine character.ian528 said:
that's strange, i chose samara to lead fire team 1 once and miranda commented (something to the effect of) "disciplined, tough, experienced ... good choice".Amnestic said:
i will pick garrus next time should i play through again and see what happens.
on a side note: i don't see how miranda is a good choice to lead a squad. despite being perfect (choke down laugh) she has negligible lead experience and isn't that strong a fighter. the other two make a lot more sense. which is why i chose jacob twice to lead the 2nd fire team and to hold the line.
Alright, when you put it that way it was a dumb choice, but Miranda says before you make the choice that you chould have someone with experience. I figured there's no-one with more experience than a 1000 year old Asari Justicar.Amnestic said:
Experience leading a team!Rusty Bucket said:
It's like "Hey, Grunt's go years of Krogan ground wars imprinted in his brain, let's choose him to lead a starship fleet!"
She has experience, yet, just not the right kind.
Miranda also says that "theoretically, any biotic could do the barrier." when really only Jack and Samara can do it. She's a numpty. A good squad leader, but still a numpty.Ascarus said:
I take it you missed the fact that her class is called Cerberus Leader or Cerberus Tactician when you evolve it? And her same class skill gives blatant buffs to your squad's health and damage?Ascarus said:
granted, but she was a Cerberus lead SCIENTIST. being an engineer, i can say i know a lot of scientists. generally speaking, we wouldn't be much help in directing a fire fight.Amnestic said:
and Cerberus Tactician is like one of those vague titles you get in multi-national companies where no one really knows what it is you do on a daily basis -- yourself included.
to whit: i'm going to tactically decide how to spend my day today ... 1. internet. 2. nap 3. lunch.
I found these choices incredibly easy. I just made it harder for myself by letting all the awesome fighters stay behind.
Vents: Tali, duh.
Fireteam 1: Garrus
Biotic: Samara, duh.
Fireteam 2: Garrus, duh.
Escort: Mordin, because he's terrible at combat. Didn't want him jeopardising the line or assisting me in the final fight, so off he went.
My final team: Jack and Tali. I figure Jack is too aggressive to defend, and Tali is too weak.
That means that holding the line were: Jacob, Miranda, Grunt, Zaeed, Legion, Samara, and the most badass ************ this side of commander sheperd: Garrus "My Skin Is Armour" Vakarian. What a badass group.
Predictably, no-one died.
Vents: Tali, duh.
Fireteam 1: Garrus
Biotic: Samara, duh.
Fireteam 2: Garrus, duh.
Escort: Mordin, because he's terrible at combat. Didn't want him jeopardising the line or assisting me in the final fight, so off he went.
My final team: Jack and Tali. I figure Jack is too aggressive to defend, and Tali is too weak.
That means that holding the line were: Jacob, Miranda, Grunt, Zaeed, Legion, Samara, and the most badass ************ this side of commander sheperd: Garrus "My Skin Is Armour" Vakarian. What a badass group.
Predictably, no-one died.
Who says scientists can't fight?!Ascarus said:
