Mass Effect 3 and Cerberous.

[vermin_]

(Spoilers on Mass Effect 2 ahead!)

Hello there, my 1st topic on the Escapist to be gentle.

I was wondering, and I'm curious about the opinion from my fellow gamers on this topic.

As we know from the news on Mass Effect 3, Cerberous will be (apart from the Reapers) aa enemy in the game. This is very logical when Shepard decides to say "Fok off" to the boss by not destroying the Collector base. But why should Cerberous chase Shepard if he gave the base to them?

I destroyed the base and I'm cool with that. Hate the group.

But what do u think? Why is Cerberous chasing Shepard even tho he helped them out?

Cheers.

 

[Nerdstar]

(Spoilers on Mass Effect 2 ahead!)

Hello there, my 1st topic on the Escapist to be gentle.

I was wondering, and I'm curious about the opinion from my fellow gamers on this topic.

As we know from the news on Mass Effect 3, Cerberous will be (apart from the Reapers) aa enemy in the game. This is very logical when Shepard decides to say "Fok off" to the boss by not destroying the Collector base. But why should Cerberous chase Shepard if he gave the base to them?

I destroyed the base and I'm cool with that. Hate the group.

But what do u think? Why is Cerberous chasing Shepard even tho he helped them out?

Cheers.

made a thread about this yesterday, but yeah near as i can tell(and this is just loooooooooooong shot speculation on my part)the only thing i can really come up with is that the illusive man sees the reapers as humanity's next form of evolution, and is doing everything to "advance" us to that stage. granted i dont think he indoctranated i just think that he sees become a reaper as humanitys next stage

 

[MiracleOfSound]

Shepard will probably just part ways with Cerberus in the beginning of ME3 and go back to Alliance, whether or not he saved the base.

Anyone who has played the last DLC will also know that he'll have stirred up a political shitstorm by then too.

 

[Fanboy]

I'll just repost my earlier theory, if you don't mind:

TIM is the new Saren. He thinks we are all fucked, so he'd rather be a good dog and bark for the reapers. Saren thought he was saving himself by making himself useful, TIM probably thinks the same; He's helping the reapers because he thinks it's the best option for humanity. He always says he's looking out for humanity's best interests, and by siding with the reapers he could certainly ensure human dominance.

It's not sound logic, but I'm sure there is indoctrination involved, as there was for Saren.

 

[Irriduccibilli]

(Spoilers on Mass Effect 2 ahead!)

Hello there, my 1st topic on the Escapist to be gentle.

I was wondering, and I'm curious about the opinion from my fellow gamers on this topic.

As we know from the news on Mass Effect 3, Cerberous will be (apart from the Reapers) aa enemy in the game. This is very logical when Shepard decides to say "Fok off" to the boss by not destroying the Collector base. But why should Cerberous chase Shepard if he gave the base to them?

I destroyed the base and I'm cool with that. Hate the group.

But what do u think? Why is Cerberous chasing Shepard even tho he helped them out?

Cheers.

made a thread about this yesterday, but yeah near as i can tell(and this is just loooooooooooong shot speculation on my part)the only thing i can really come up with is that the illusive man sees the reapers as humanity's next form of evolution, and is doing everything to "advance" us to that stage. granted i dont think he indoctranated i just think that he sees become a reaper as humanitys next stage

... or maybe the Illusive Man just gets indoctronated by the base itself :/

 

[monojono]

Well, it makes about as much sense as Shepard working for cerberus in the first place...

TBH they could write something along the lines of 'if you destroyed the base he wants revenge, if you gave it to him he gets indoctrinated by the reaper tech'. But neither of those make much sense, since there is no logical reason the illusive man would bother with revenge while the reapers are currently destroying earth and humanity is at risk, and he should be aware of and indoctrination and be careful enough to avoid it. I really hope the writers can come up with something good, and that ME3's main story doesnt have any glaring plot holes.

 

[Nerdstar]

(Spoilers on Mass Effect 2 ahead!)

Hello there, my 1st topic on the Escapist to be gentle.

I was wondering, and I'm curious about the opinion from my fellow gamers on this topic.

As we know from the news on Mass Effect 3, Cerberous will be (apart from the Reapers) aa enemy in the game. This is very logical when Shepard decides to say "Fok off" to the boss by not destroying the Collector base. But why should Cerberous chase Shepard if he gave the base to them?

I destroyed the base and I'm cool with that. Hate the group.

But what do u think? Why is Cerberous chasing Shepard even tho he helped them out?

Cheers.

made a thread about this yesterday, but yeah near as i can tell(and this is just loooooooooooong shot speculation on my part)the only thing i can really come up with is that the illusive man sees the reapers as humanity's next form of evolution, and is doing everything to "advance" us to that stage. granted i dont think he indoctranated i just think that he sees become a reaper as humanitys next stage

... or maybe the Illusive Man just gets indoctronated by the base itself :/

i don't think so, if he got indoctrinated it had to be WAAAAAAAY before you gift wrap him the base or blow it up, the mans smart enough to know there's a possibility that the base has an indoctrination effect, even if the base has an indoctrination effect it would take time and i doubt that hed stick around long enough to let it take hold, plus id doubt hed Even go there in the first place, he the a macro/micromanagement kind of guy that dost get his hands dirty but gets others to do so he doesn't receive any of the blow back so i doubt hed break protocol at this point

 

[Indecipherable]

He's overconfident and gets indoctrinated.

 

[L3m0n_L1m3]

(Spoilers on Mass Effect 2 ahead!)


But what do u think? Why is Cerberus chasing Shepard even tho he helped them out?

Cheers.

2 options

Illusive Man: "We thank you for all you've done to advance humanity, Shepard, but I'm afraid you've become more trouble than you're worth."

Option 2, it's just one branch of Cerberus that worships the reapers, and therefore hates Shepard.

 

[Gotterdammerung]

What really stings is are the massive plot-holes - like how can Cerberus, which was made up of fanatical terrorists in the first game, better the original Normandy (which was the best ship in the galaxy at the time of construction), resurrect the dead, and have suddenly turned into a organisation which is now seemingly promoting peace and love? I mean, nearly ever NPC onboard the Normandy Mk2 seems to exist only to tell you how great Cerberus is!

I mean, you find a derelict Reaper in ME2, and you can't tell the Council, who deny that the Reapers ever existed, and that Sovereign was just marsh gas, or something.

And the Collector base? - can't you tell them about it either? It's just stupid. I mean, I understood the argument that the reason you have to destroy it was that you can't destroy the Relay which was invalidated in Arrival.

The real kick in the teeth is that Cerberus is your enemy in ME3, and you knew how evil they are, even though they tried to deny all the ME1 & Jack stuff by blaming in on "rogue elements", and you couldn't do anything about it at all in ME2!

Personally, I think ME2 was a very weak game, story-wise. The main plot is Collectors appear, you meet the Collectors, and kill them. Nothing happens, really. And the Cerberus thing really highlights this.

 

[Zhukov]

The going theory seems to be that the Illusive Man and Cerberus as a whole become indoctrinated.

That... doesn't really ring true for me. But I can't really come up with anything better.

It might simply be because Shepard returns to the Alliance. After all, Cerberus are regarded as a terrorist organisation. They wouldn't be too happy about their operatives, crew and shiny high-tech ship falling into Alliance hands.

Or perhaps the Illusive Man takes the Saren approach. He studies the base (or what's left of it), gets some idea of what we're up against and promptly goes, "Whelp, we're utterly boned." Then he decides that it's in humanity's best interests to assist the Reapers. I mean, being brainwashed slaves is better then being turned into husks or baby Reaper food, right?

Or hey, maybe the Reapers contact Cerberus and make them an offer. You kill Shepard, so far the only living being to threaten to our plans, and in return we spare humanity.

Oh, I don't know.

Incidentally, I think it would be interesting if Miranda and Jacob remain loyal to Cerberus. It would be cool to have them as enemies.

 

[varulfic]

You guys assume it's Cerberus that turns on Shepherd... but I think it'll be Shepherd that backstabs Cerberus, and that's why they're out to get him. Revenge.

The reason I think this is because given the option, betraying Cerberus is the very first thing I'll do in ME3, and I'm hardly the only one.

 

[GooBeyond]

meh ... the story was lame in ME2. ive stopped caring about mass effect after beating the second one .... and now the news comes every day that the game is getting more and more "Streamlined".

next thing you know, you click on new game and "HOORAY YOU FINISHED MASS EFFECT 3" ...

 

[Conza]

(Spoilers on Mass Effect 2 ahead!)

Hello there, my 1st topic on the Escapist to be gentle.

I was wondering, and I'm curious about the opinion from my fellow gamers on this topic.

As we know from the news on Mass Effect 3, Cerberous will be (apart from the Reapers) aa enemy in the game. This is very logical when Shepard decides to say "Fok off" to the boss by not destroying the Collector base. But why should Cerberous chase Shepard if he gave the base to them?

I destroyed the base and I'm cool with that. Hate the group.

But what do u think? Why is Cerberous chasing Shepard even tho he helped them out?

Cheers.

Fair question. I think it'll go down like this (now being told Cerberus is an enemy).

A. You told him to fark off, destroyed the base, instant enemy.

B. You said 'sure thing Martin, love ya man' kept the base, then at the begining of ME3 they'll be a falling out of sorts.

 

[ModReap]

snippity

In my opinion, TIM's eyes are a little too inhuman (albeit, IMO badass), and look far more like reaper tech. Exactly how come he has those eyes? I'm going with the possibility of indoctrination.

Oh and welcome to the escapist, don't go in the basement, yadda, yadda, yadda.

 

[Rhade Adama]

Unfortunately we can speculate as to why Cerberus is after Shepard even if you gave him the base, but after the beginning of ME2 (which I don't completely understand except for the fact that they needed reasons for Shepard to work for Cerberus) they could litterally do anything to make The Illusive man want Shepard cooked into a Shepard's Pie.

 

[distortedreality]

Personally I think TIM has realised that his experiment in resurrecting Shephard failed, insofar that he was hoping that Shephard would be happy to wear a Cerberus halter around his neck. Even if you chose to have Shephard go down the "i'll work with Cerberus for now" path, the definite emphasis was on the "for now" part, as Shephard was never really comfortable working for TIM no matter what you chose.

Remember at the beginning of ME2 where Jacob states that Shephard isn't a clone? Is it a possibility that the reason he was so sure about that is because he knew of another project that's aim was to create a clone of Shephard that would be obedient if the resurrected Shephard wasn't? It's possible that TIM decided to fall back onto this research after realising that Shephard was never truly in his control.

The less far fetched theory is that it's a single branch of Cerberus that is after Shephard, the branch that he pissed off in ME1. Remember, TIM doesn't control all of Cerberus, and he may not have anything at all to do with this.

 

[Zaik]

If you helped them: Indoctrination
If you didn't: Revenge

Ah, the wonders of "choice".

Anyway, regardless of what you did, your ship has an unshackled AI with info on pretty much all of Cerberus, and it doesn't seem to mind telling pretty much anyone all about it.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

The illusion of choice, eh? The lazy way out would be indoctrination, the hard way is a universal explanation for why he is gunning for his multi-billion dollar investment that makes sense. After ME2, I have little faith that it will be the latter.