Mass Effect 3: Casey Hudson's Largest FUBAR

[Darkcerb]

Oh very true, just the wording makes it seem like he's missed the point. Or maybe he's just trolling he certainly wouldn't be the only one in the industry who deliberately missed the point.

 

[4173]

It amuses me that even that guy's (alleged) post ranks organics vs. synthetics as the third most important theme, because I never got that at all. I mean, sure, organics and synthetics have conflicts throughout the games, but that isn't the same as synthetics are destined to wipe out organics omgwtfbbq!!!!!!1111123 Or that something is inherently incompatible between synthetic and organic life.

If the galaxy treats synthetics like Frankenstein's monster is it any fucking surprise if they have a hostile relationship? Treat a dog badly enough and it will bite you. That doesn't mean DOGS ARE TRYING TO WIPE OUT HUMANITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!shift+1@@@@@ If I throw a toaster in my bathtub while I'm in it, I might die. Clearly HOUSEHOLD APPLIANCES ARE TRYING TO WIPE OUT ORGANIC LIFE!!!!!!!!

What's next, The Rachni War was about antennae'd beings trying to wipe out those without them? The Krogan Rebellion was about # of testicles?

The games are filled with all sorts of characters acting all sorts of racist. They needed to work a hell of a lot harder if they wanted to distinguish the organic/synthetic stuff from the rest of the racism.

 

[Darkcerb]

Actually it's heavily hinted the rachni were stirred up by the reapers...just like every other conflict. Including synthetic vs organic wars which seems kind of stupid really "See we were right, shut up it totally would of happened eventually!"

The overall story isn't that terrific it's all the characters and how they react I think that most people enjoyed so thoroughly which makes the current ending such a kick to the nads. we see events but not the consequences of our actions or how they effect our favorite characters.

 

[Monster_user]

Everyone who is arguing against what I'm saying is not even reading what I'm saying.
I'll try dumbing it down.

WITHOUT REAPERS
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WITH REAPERS
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There is no hole in the logic of the argument itself.

Let me dumb my argument down to the simplest terms.

WITHOUT REAPERS
Synthetics destroy only the most advanced organics for 200,000 years, then destroy ALL organic life. First they destory their creators, then those who can threaten them, then all organics just to be safe.

WITH REAPERS
Synthetic Reapers destroy only the most advanced organics for 200,000 years, then destroy ALL organic life. First they destory their creators, then those who can threaten them, then all organics just to be safe.

1. Where are the Reapers creators?
They destroyed them. Their cycle is pre-destined to end in the manner they predicted. As each cycle passes, organics become more of a threat to the synthetic reapers. The only way to prevent the organics from destroying the Reapers, and restarting the cycle, is to wipe out all organic life.

2. They themselves prove this point wrong, without the Geth argument.
For their logic to be sound ALL Synthetic life must be destined to destroy ALL organic life. Yet the Synthetic Reapers do NOT destroy ALL organic life, which means that not all synthetic life is destined to destroy ALL organic life.

This means that the GETH are NOT going to attempt to destroy ALL organic life, just the most advanced organics. Or perhaps just all the organics in the Milky Way galaxy, but not others. The Geth are like baby Reapers, it is the same story.

3. For this to be expected, it must have happened before.
If the Reapers expect ALL organic life to be wiped out, then it must have happened before. Perhaps the synthetic Reapers destroyed all organic life in their galaxy? Does the Milky way now contain the only organic life left in the Universe? Did their explanation get lost in translation and they are just trying to protect the last remaining shred of organic life in the universe?

Or should we assume that organic life can somehow reappear after being completely destroyed?

Boiling it down to the simplest terms, ALL organic life in the Universe cannot have been destroyed, as organic life still survives. How can they say that something that could never have happened, always happens?

 

[dreadedcandiru99]

Super snip powers... ACTIVATE!

I'm one of those weird guys who likes to (over)analyze everything - such as that piece of shit that supposed to be Soul Calibur V's story mode where almost literally nothing is explained (and, especially for a fighting game, Soul Calibur had one of the better storylines out there) - but I get what your saying. I'm just saying that particular angle just smacks of bad writing in my eyes. And while BioWare has had their fair share of hiccups just like everyone else, their writers are usually better than that.

Yeah, at first I was like, "soooo...they're a horde of spaceborne Cthulhubots?", but then I was fine with it. You know, because just about everything in Mass Effect is a callback to some prior sci-fi thing, so why not some Lovecraft, too? Like, it started as a sort of ode to sci-fi movies from the early eighties in general, and the Krogan were sort of like Klingons, and the Rachni were like the aliens from, uh, Aliens, and so on.

...huh. Just had a thought: maybe the final Destroy/Control/Merge choice was only meant to be inspired by the end of the original Deus Ex. It's just that they got a bit carried away and accidentally stumbled into Total Rip-Off territory. (EDIT: ...on second thought, never mind. I think I'm starting to lean towards the "Mac Walters and Casey Hudson cocked it up while trying to show the world how clever they are" theory.)

Somewhat unrelated: how many assets do you need to get the "perfect" ending? I've heard, like... 3 different numbers.

5000, I think. And I hear that, in spite of what they told us pre-release (surprise!), you can't get it that high without multiplayer. No great loss, though: some person, buried alive in rubble, takes half a gasp. If it was supposed to be Shepard, then instead of having been vaporized by the Endingtron 9000(tm), he/she can now spend his/her final moments in mindblowing agony, hoping to quickly bleed out before the Citadel's wreckage starts to burn up in Earth's atmosphere. All the questions and plot holes raised in the previous five minutes are left unaddressed.

As endings go, this one is probably not the most perfect. It certainly doesn't qualify as VICTORIOUS AND UPLIFTING.

 

[luvd1]

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Shepard is the CATALYST!!! *MIND BLOWN*

Mr Goostoff:, the image makes more sense to me than your post. They both say the same thing, the image just breaks it down into simpler terms, and points out the fallacy of the logic. These Reapers are Synthetics, they are DESTINED to wiped out EVERYTHING. Not just the "higher" organics that they were designed to reap.

Which is why I subscribe to the indoctrination theory.

That is absolutely untrue! The Reapers do not wipe out all organic life, and the fact that you're arguing that they do just proves how unqualified you are to be arguing this.
It is stated in the game that the Protheans were studying the evolution of humanity from Mars, and the timeline would support this (the Protheans were wiped out 50,000 years ago, when primitive humans existed). That proves exactly what I said, and disproves what you said.
The Reapers wiping out the Protheans meant the end of the Protheans, NOT the end of humanity.
And humans went on to become the new dominant species, which shows that what they intended to do (allow other species to rise up) happens, and works.
Now please, know what you're talking about before trying.
And for the record, I too believe in the indoctrination/dream theory.

And now they're back to wipe us all out to stop us from wiping ourselves out.

The logic is made even more false when you have either the geth and quarians in fleet or even just the geth fighting alongside the alliance. And the most annoying part is shep becomes such an apathetic puppet to this literal deus ex machina that he doesn't even call the glowstick on it.

And the most ridiculous part of it all is the reapers themselves go out of there way throughout the series to instigate war between synthetics and organics. Their argument is so weak they have to make sure each cycle works out in there favor.

Everyone who is arguing against what I'm saying is not even reading what I'm saying.
I'll try dumbing it down.

And remember, this is according to the Reapers and what they believe, I'm not saying that this is was WOULD happen.

They believe that it is inevitable that organic races will build a race of synthetics that will go about eradicating every last bit of organic life. EVERYTHING!

So, the Reapers step in and kill ONLY the most advanced races, before they have the chance to create such machines.

The Reapers see themselves as acting for the greater good of organic life; wipe out the most advanced races before they create something that will wipe out everything.

Here it is in the most simple of terms:

WITHOUT REAPERS
Top-dog species creates race of synthetics. Eventually, synthetics get stronger, turn on their creators, and destroy all organic life in the galaxy.

WITH REAPERS
Top-dog species is wiped out, before they can create the army of synthetics. This species is eradicated, but organic life lives on.

There is no hole in the logic of the argument itself. Whether or not their beliefs are accurate is another matter, and up to each individual's interpretation.

And as far as the whole bit about - if it happens in your playthrough - showing the Reapers the possible Quarian/Geth alliance, I also believe that that would not work. The Reapers would be more than likely to counter, saying that up until this point, the Geth are proof that their means are true, and that the alliance was only bartered because both of their races' existence were in jeopardy.

Not to mention the silly presumption that the Reapers would just decide to stop the cycle after countless times because one group of synthetics hasn't tried to kill everything.
And, finally, why would they believe that the Geth were incapable of turning on everyone again?

Maybe I should dumb my post down to.

Reapers come kill all advanced races to save them from killing themselves.

That is what I'm saying that they leave some alive actually hurts there logic because they then have to come back and kill those races whether they have created synthetics or not because "They might"

Which is incidentally what you say is their response to the geth working with us, so in essence they do not obey logic as we understand it fine. Then why bother explaining them at all? what a waste of time.

Then why the heck do I have to listen to them for even a second? Why can't I say "You're an insane synthetic and I have no intention of listening to you or choosing any of these dopey choices"

They can gob on about how filling there shells with the melted down goo of a race lets it endure but that itself is crap because:

But they couldn't could they because they'd shot themselves in the foot the reapers went from a fully sentient race who couldn't be comprehended to a bunch of puppets (lets call them terminators) for some ghost kid ai(let's call him skynet!)

The race doesn't endure at all it just becomes yet another terminator with a weird amount of goo flowing through it.

The ending is a joke and the reapers themselves are the punch line, but if you want to keep harping on about how logical and awesome they are, good for you. Just don't be surprised when everyone looks at you funny.

EDIT: And even with there logic why haven't they just wiped everything out and then I don't know retired? after all the races would endure in them life would be preserved. It's almost like there was a dark energy plot line that was dropped that dictated humans would make a reaper capable of stopping it's spread. And/or the indoc theory.

Or any other plot line that would make this mess decent. But they wouldn't drop a satisfying conclusion on purpose would they? They respect there consumers.

And there is the rub. The problem for the reapers was they themselves proved the whole premise was wrong, but being machines they couldn't see pass the program no matter how advanced they concidered themselves, so as far as they were concerned the solution worked. That does also explain the illy written speech from the star child trying to explain that the solution wasn't working. The solution was never working but being just machines using machine logic they couldnt queston their own existence and had no reason to. Till it took an organic almost succeeding to show something wasn't working. It's a clever idea that would have worked if they didn't leave it to a unchecked monkey on a keyboard to write it out.

 

[Starke]

Wow, that post is pretentious. What exactly are the "genius bonuses" in Mass Effect? Perhaps you should explain it to the common folk. Please, help us "get" the meaning behind the ending of Mass Effect.

Please, you're a 3/2 forrestwalking legend. If you're the "common folk" by his definition, we're all screwed.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

There is more info going around about the future DLC and a spiritual successor to Mass Effect, called Mass Shift. I hope it's fake because it sounds so fuckin' bad. Check it out:

http://i39.tinypic.com/1gnlw2.jpg

http://pastebin.com/znYraLnF

 

[AbstractStream]

There is more info going around about the future DLC and a spiritual successor to Mass Effect, called Mass Shift. I hope it's fake because it sounds so fuckin' bad. Check it out:

http://i39.tinypic.com/1gnlw2.jpg

http://pastebin.com/znYraLnF

Mass...Shift? Reading the links you provided, it doesn't even sound like a spiritual successor. More like a badly named spin-off. One I hope isn't real :/

Captcha, stop telling me to face the music!

 

[Breadline]

Made me think of something though. If the reapers are just chillin' in dark space for hundreds of thousands of years, and on top of that they're super duper (really duper) intelligent, than wouldn't at least one of them have found out that their reasons for killing organics makes no sense?

I think the point is that the logic the reapers use is valid with their (broken) robotic logic. Humans are going to kill themselves? We can't allow that! Solution: Kill them all, so they don't kill themselves. It sounds stupid from our point of view, but if you think about it, it almost makes sense in a binary fashion.

But that is a specific formal logical fallacy called circular reasoning. It's literally one of the most basic fallacies there is, invalid by any standard, and there's no way a super intelligent AI (or any AI, or a calculator) would follow that line of thinking. I can't possibly believe that the Reapers became so advanced without an absolutely basic understanding of simple logic.

It almost makes sense in a binary fashion to us because we don't normally thinking in formal logic on a daily basis, but a machine would absolutely see that as the ridiculously incorrect reasoning it is.

 

[Zen Toombs]

Made me think of something though. If the reapers are just chillin' in dark space for hundreds of thousands of years, and on top of that they're super duper (really duper) intelligent, than wouldn't at least one of them have found out that their reasons for killing organics makes no sense?

I think the point is that the logic the reapers use is valid with their (broken) robotic logic. Humans are going to kill themselves? We can't allow that! Solution: Kill them all, so they don't kill themselves. It sounds stupid from our point of view, but if you think about it, it almost makes sense in a binary fashion.

But that is a specific formal logical fallacy called circular reasoning. It's literally one of the most basic fallacies there is, invalid by any standard, and there's no way a super intelligent AI (or any AI, or a calculator) would follow that line of thinking. I can't possibly believe that the Reapers became so advanced without an absolutely basic understanding of simple logic.

It almost makes sense in a binary fashion to us because we don't normally thinking in formal logic on a daily basis, but a machine would absolutely see that as the ridiculously incorrect reasoning it is.

Not really, it actually makes a decent amount of sense. Admittedly, some of the premises of the actual argument are incorrect, but the reasoning is valid. Essentially:

1: Organic life as a whole must be protected.
2: Organic life will always create synthetic life.
3: Synthetic life will always eventually try to destroy all organic life, down to the monocellular level.
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Therefore, destroy organic life that is able to create synthetic life, and leave the rest of organic life alone.

There are problems with the third premise, but the argument is still valid.

An analogy: a person (organic life) has an infected arm (organic life that can create synthetic life) that will result in the person dying if a doctor (the Reapers) do not remove the arm. The cells and tissue removed will die, but the person as a whole is preserved.

I want to make it clear that I hated the ending and thought it was terribly written. Casey Hudson is a terrible writer, and whoever thought it was a good idea to have ANYONE write any part of the game without editing should be fired plain and simple.

I just wanted to point out that the Reaper's logic isn't quite as simple as this amusing image:

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Spoiler

EA: Here's what's gonna happen Casey, you and Mac are gonna take control of this thing and end it.

Casey: Why?

EA: Well, see... if we put the ending in your and Mac Daddies hands instead of giving the fans what they were promised, they'll will rise up en mass and demand something new and then we'll be able to give them just that.

Casey: Or... we could just give them-

EA: No... the plans have been set in motion.

You play our games because we allow it.

You will surrender your money, because we demand it.

Toombs approves +9

 

[dreadedcandiru99]

There is more info going around about the future DLC and a spiritual successor to Mass Effect, called Mass Shift. I hope it's fake because it sounds so fuckin' bad. Check it out:

http://i39.tinypic.com/1gnlw2.jpg

http://pastebin.com/znYraLnF

Mass...Shift? Reading the links you provided, it doesn't even sound like a spiritual successor. More like a badly named spin-off. One I hope isn't real :/

Captcha, stop telling me to face the music!

My initial response: What? Fucking...what the shitting...what?

My second response: ...wait, it's another imageboard screenshot. Like the one about a hypothetical DLC called "The Truth." Never mind.

 

[putowtin]

already seen this, but I can't believe that a couple of guys who claim to have been so invested in the Mass Effect universe would have cooked ups such an ending without running it by the rest of the team!

 

[luvd1]

Made me think of something though. If the reapers are just chillin' in dark space for hundreds of thousands of years, and on top of that they're super duper (really duper) intelligent, than wouldn't at least one of them have found out that their reasons for killing organics makes no sense?

I think the point is that the logic the reapers use is valid with their (broken) robotic logic. Humans are going to kill themselves? We can't allow that! Solution: Kill them all, so they don't kill themselves. It sounds stupid from our point of view, but if you think about it, it almost makes sense in a binary fashion.

But that is a specific formal logical fallacy called circular reasoning. It's literally one of the most basic fallacies there is, invalid by any standard, and there's no way a super intelligent AI (or any AI, or a calculator) would follow that line of thinking. I can't possibly believe that the Reapers became so advanced without an absolutely basic understanding of simple logic.

It almost makes sense in a binary fashion to us because we don't normally thinking in formal logic on a daily basis, but a machine would absolutely see that as the ridiculously incorrect reasoning it is.

Not necessarily. To question your own existence of being needs the ability to think beyond your accepted logic and that's not very machine like, no matter how super intelligent it is, a computer will still have 1+1=2 instead of 1+1=11. It just can't get it. The logic the reapers have is synthetic life has no use for organic life, nore will it be empathetic as they have nothing in common. So it will kill off organic life not in a bid to rid the galaxy from a rival but because organic life has no meaning of value. It would kill all organic life out of apathy. Example, if a machine race want to take the reasoures from a jungle plant full of life, it's not going to run an envriomental assement to see how little impact it will make. It will just strip the place leaving everything dead.the deaths of all the animals would not mean a thing to it. It wouldn't even give it a micro second to cross its mega brain. Like someone noticing the ant they just crushed walking across a garden.

 

[Jodah]

EA: Here's what's gonna happen Casey, you and Mac are gonna take control of this thing and end it.

Casey: Why?

EA: Well, see... if we put the ending in your and Mac Daddies hands instead of giving the fans what they were promised, they'll will rise up en mass and demand something new and then we'll be able to give them just that.

Casey: Or... we could just give them-

EA: No... the plans have been set in motion.

thats unfair.

the reapers somewhat had a point!

Nice picture, made me giggle a bit.

Made me think of something though. If the reapers are just chillin' in dark space for hundreds of thousands of years, and on top of that they're super duper (really duper) intelligent, than wouldn't at least one of them have found out that their reasons for killing organics makes no sense?

Well the idea is that man made synthetics would kill ALL organic life. Everything from humans down to the micro-organisms. The Reapers are intended to only destroy space faring organisms, allowing organic life to continue as a whole. In a completely un-emotional logical kind of thinking it makes sense. It is still a terrible idea, it's just slightly more workable than many think

 

[Zen Toombs]

The logic the reapers have is synthetic life has no use for organic life, nore will it be empathetic as they have nothing in common. So it will kill off organic life not in a bid to rid the galaxy from a rival but because organic life has no meaning of value. It would kill all organic life out of apathy. Example, if a machine race want to take the reasoures from a jungle plant full of life, it's not going to run an envriomental assement to see how little impact it will make. It will just strip the place leaving everything dead.the deaths of all the animals would not mean a thing to it. It wouldn't even give it a micro second to cross its mega brain. Like someone noticing the ant they just crushed walking across a garden.

Well explained. However, there is one issue with what you've said - machines would likely run some sort of an environmental assessment before taking resources from a planet. If possible, a machine would take the sustainable route because they have an even greater need for looking towards the future.

It is also possible that machines would avoid unneeded damage because that unneeded damage would reduce the potential value of the planet. Hypothetical example - machines need Unobtaninium. There is a large patch of Unobtainium under a tree containing a unique species. To drill straight down would destroy this species, and remove any possible future benefit (maybe the species makes a certain useful chemical that is difficult to produce, or is useful for trade with squshy organics). It would make most sense for a machine race to take a little more time and mine the Unobtainium from a slight angle and leave the unique species alone.

 

[Tono Makt]

One huge problem I have with the Mass Effect series is Cerberus. They go from a former Alliance Black Ops group gone rogue to a huge interstellar organization that is so well funded and staffed that they can have secret operatives everywhere and can fund and control an entire army during a Reaper invasion that has most galactic supply lines cut and everyone stretched to their limit.

Hell, the Alliance can barely hold Earth, and the Turian Empire lost Palaven even with the help of the GODDAMN KROGAN... Yet I'm expected to believe that Cerberus can mount a force strong enough to nearly take over the freakin' Citadel? I call bull.

That was a bit off topic... I think we shouldn't start playing the blame game. As the article says, it's unsure as the the legitimacy of the statement.

Oh I know that spoilers are allowed in this thread, just testing the code. Amusing that after 3+ years of coming here to watch the video's and read some of the articles, that it's the ME3 ending that finally drove me to start posting. Ha - one more point in favour of the ending, I suppose; drawing fans out to discuss the ending. Heck, even the ending of LOST didn't drive me to start posting on the LOST sites I read over the years. (And I use my seasons 1-3 LOST DVD's as coasters now since I hated the ending so much.) Kudos to the ME3 team, though not sure it's the kind of kudos that they're looking for.

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Indoctrination of thousands of refugee's on Sanctuary giving Cerberus access to an insane amount of brainwashed and souped up soldiers, the element of surprise and lack of ethics. Personally I even allow for some of the indoctrination to be the creation of "workers" who are as powerful (in their own way) as the soldiers, and who are building all the stuff Cerberus needs. Yeah, it's an assumption on my part, and I have utterly no proof of it. And even if you accept that bit of assumption, it's still a bit quick - less than six months between ME2 and ME3, and Cerberus is all over the place. But it's not horribly broken. Would have preferred if ME3 had taken place 2 years after ME2, like ME2 took 2 years after ME1, but this is an aspect of the game I'm willing to let slide since there is a minor and plausible reason for it to have happened.

 

[JediMB]

Personally, I might (and I cannot emphasize that "might" strongly enough) have been willing to accept the Star Child scene, but if the Reapers absolutely had to go from "incomprehensible Lovecraftian horrors from beyond space and time" to "we turn organics into organic-killing synthetics to stop organics from creating organic-killing synthetics," then that crap had to get a lot more explanation. They'd also have to explain why, if the thing that made the Reapers has been living in the Citadel the whole time, Sovereign's role in ME1 was even necessary.

As for the ending, I still kind of think something like this [http://social.bioware.com/poll.php?user=1183972&poll_id=29101] would be the simplest way to fix it.

(And seriously, Bioware needs to fire whoever's responsible for this travesty.)

But no matter how much they tried to explain it, there'd be no getting around the fact that the "protect organics from synthetics" motivation contradicts most of Sovereign and Harbinger's dialogue from Mass Effect 1 and 2.

Both Reapers make it abundantly clear that they see organic evolution (a supposed genetic accident) as inherently chaotic, and that only the truly worthy species deserve being "uplifted" through conversion into Reaper form. Harbinger also deems the suffering of organic life inconsequential, and that the Reapers intend to use the organics' home worlds as laboratories.

There's nothing in there that could possibly be interpreted as Reapers looking out for organic life, and they clearly like the idea of teaming up with dangerous synthetic species to get the job done.

God I'm getting sick of this. The "Yo dawg" scenario that everyone so fondly brings up is completely untrue and misleading. The Catalyst didn't "create synthetics to kill organics, so that the organics won't create synthetics to kill organics". It created the Reapers to kill only the highest civilizations, in order to prevent their synthetics from wiping out everything.
And even if we forget that, there's still the whole other half of their reasoning. They don't do it simply to prevent synthetics turning on them. They do it to remove the top-dog in the galaxy, so that other species will have the chance to be uplifted, and have their shot.
Say what you will about the ending being unsatisfactory, there is nothing about this bit of it that deserves the amount of ridicule that it gets.

While I agree on that people get things wrong with the "yo dawg" and "circular logic" stuff, the only thing the Reapers would accomplish with the Star Child's logic is cause more suffering than the hypothetical other synthetics would have.

They let "primitive" species evolve and reproduce, so they become larger in numbers and more able to experience and interpret physical and psychological pain, and then they slaughter them in the most horrific ways. Rinse and repeat.

Plus, there's the goddamn easy way to prevent a synthetic uprising that simply involves killing the synthetics instead. Future advanced civilizations can join the galactic community in the same way the humans and various other species did, and certainly don't need any Reapers to wipe out the guys already sitting in the Citadel.

 

[wintercoat]

Made me think of something though. If the reapers are just chillin' in dark space for hundreds of thousands of years, and on top of that they're super duper (really duper) intelligent, than wouldn't at least one of them have found out that their reasons for killing organics makes no sense?

I think the point is that the logic the reapers use is valid with their (broken) robotic logic. Humans are going to kill themselves? We can't allow that! Solution: Kill them all, so they don't kill themselves. It sounds stupid from our point of view, but if you think about it, it almost makes sense in a binary fashion.

But that is a specific formal logical fallacy called circular reasoning. It's literally one of the most basic fallacies there is, invalid by any standard, and there's no way a super intelligent AI (or any AI, or a calculator) would follow that line of thinking. I can't possibly believe that the Reapers became so advanced without an absolutely basic understanding of simple logic.

It almost makes sense in a binary fashion to us because we don't normally thinking in formal logic on a daily basis, but a machine would absolutely see that as the ridiculously incorrect reasoning it is.

Think of it like this:

A = An advanced organic being.

An = multiple advanced organics

An → B

B = Synthetic being

Bn = multiple synthetics

An + Bn = C

C = 0An

Removing An from the equation is the most logical way to prevent 'C'.