Mass Effect 3 ending SPOILERS!

[SajuukKhar]

And you are forgetting that eliminating The Reapers still leaves civilizations stuck and dependent on technology that isn't their own, that they will never fully understand, because they didn't make it, and ignorant to possible other, and better path of technology and societal development.

SCIENCE DOES NOT HAVE TECH TREES.

Also... it's not "never understood" mystical crap. I mean, Cerberus was figuring it out in a matter of a year, enough to integrate it. Now, they got hosed down by this with indoctrination, but they DID start to figure it out.

Plus, we've used drive cores (Reaper tech) in the series, making them, modifying them (count every conversation on the Normandy about drive core modifications), and playing with them. If we understand them enough to alter their base functions, we sure as heck aren't dealing with "never fully understand".

I'd put it more in the line of "give us a minute and some funding, and we'll give you one that sings opera".

I never said science had tech trees.

Secondly the Normandys Mass Effect core was still far below The Reapers tech, it fell within their path as it was based off of their systems, and relied on their methods.

Also by the time of ME3 the Mass Relay system was still FAR from being completly understood.

 

[jason27131]

By the way guys, Mike Gamble tweeted this today: Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, we'll - hold onto your copy of me3 forever.

Could this mean better endings? Hope so.

If it turns out you action at the end was a simulation by glowy fuckwit to judge your actions I'm seriously considering going up to Canada with a pair of golf clubs.

Still better than what we have now.

If it ended by scrubbing my hard drive and replacing it with two terabytes of goatse, it might be better than what we have now.

Well, You can't really compare shit with shit. In the end, they're the same :S

 

[guitarsniper]

Ending that I sorta wanted: Shepard, Shepard's squad, and a bunch of random alliance marines on final push to finish final battle and all that. Shepard dies incredibly close to the goal and you have to finish off the game as some nameless alliance grunt soldier or whatever.

Ending that I got: Cliche wrapped in sadness and baked in the fires of disappointment

 

[feeqmatic]

Quick clarification. In the destroy ending. Is all synthetic life destroyed, or all technology? What is too keep organic life from just restarting the synthetic life cycle. How does the the chaos/destruction thing make sense. Its like a joke that spoony made about Final fantasy villains. All of them have the bright idea of destroying all people so they can save them from pain and suffering. Its just silly and makes no sense. If the reapers were just a galactic force that needed organic material to live i would be much happier, but...

 

[Fapmaster5000]

The difference is that roads were built by man, using our own technology and smarts. Maelon's genophage cure was also made due to the efforts of galactic civilization with their own power.

The Mass relays were built by The Reapers, not by galactic civilization, not using own own technology and smarts, not under our own steam. It's the same reason why Leigon and the normal geth turned down the reapers offer of a dyson sphere body.

there is a large difference.

Legion and the geth turned away for philosophical reasons (reasons I can TOTALLY understand, and even sympathize with). There can be real risk of wrecking your society through external contact with vastly superior technology (or even just alien cultures/tech). For an example, look at what happened in the Americas when stone age met renaissance tech. The Native Americans took about four centuries of fisting from which they never truly recovered.

HOWEVER! In Mass Effect, the older races have adapted to the Reaper tech, having spaceflight for thousands of years. Any damage is long done and forgotten (barring, you know, active Reapers), societal speaking. Even the young races have been in interstellar mode for a few generations. This ball can't be rolled back. Everyone knows about eezo, about the relays, and about the Reapers. There is no CAPABILITY based reason that the societies here couldn't replicate the tech, given the time, funding, and reasons. I mean, why build new roads when the old ones still work? Math is math, science is science, and all the mumbo-jumbo about THOU SHALT NOT is philosophy/theology, not capability.

 

[lacktheknack]

Whoa.

I finally found a game with blacker endings than Geneforge 2. A game which I profess great love for, especially for the endings.

This actually makes me WANT to play the game. Hmmmmmmm.

 

[jason27131]

Imagine the universe of star wars. Now re-imagine it without warp drives. Congrats, now you have the new world of mass effect.

force = biotics

 

[Deremix]

So, after all of this destruction, depression and conclusion who just wants to go back to the relatively innocent days of Mass Effect 1 when Reapers weren't really the biggest worry, and Saren was just being stupid and you could go to Noveria and you could call a Hanar a big stupid jellyfish for the first time? (Lol'd when it happened again in ME3.)

 

[Fapmaster5000]

And you are forgetting that eliminating The Reapers still leaves civilizations stuck and dependent on technology that isn't their own, that they will never fully understand, because they didn't make it, and ignorant to possible other, and better path of technology and societal development.

SCIENCE DOES NOT HAVE TECH TREES.

Also... it's not "never understood" mystical crap. I mean, Cerberus was figuring it out in a matter of a year, enough to integrate it. Now, they got hosed down by this with indoctrination, but they DID start to figure it out.

Plus, we've used drive cores (Reaper tech) in the series, making them, modifying them (count every conversation on the Normandy about drive core modifications), and playing with them. If we understand them enough to alter their base functions, we sure as heck aren't dealing with "never fully understand".

I'd put it more in the line of "give us a minute and some funding, and we'll give you one that sings opera".

I never said science had tech trees.

I paraphrased from this:

And you are forgetting that eliminating The Reapers still leaves civilizations stuck and dependent on technology that isn't their own

It does not matter who told me that 1 + 1 = 2, the statement is either true, or false. There can be more accurate ways to describe the math, but it is simple math. Your car starts in the morning because the ignition system drives an internal combustion engine. It wouldn't matter if you designed the car yourself, the engine still lights. If you wanted to learn about the car, one of the best ways would be to open up a working car (ie: designed by someone else) and see what made it tick.

The only time you see crap about "oh, no, I spent all my resources on Fission Power and now I can't research the automobile" (ie: Tech Trees) is in games, and while ME3 is a game, it was far more story driven than to allow drivel such as "you've spent too many research points in the Reaper tree and now your society cannot understand star-drive".

Secondly the Normandys Mass Effect core was still far below The Reapers tech, it fell within their path as it was based off of their systems, and relied on their methods.

Note that you used the words "fell within their path". If you mean philosophically, then I can understand an objection, although I disagree entirely. Star drive is not inherently evil (nor are jet planes/roads/what-have-you). If you mean that using the relays will use up valuable Research Points that could be spent on curing cancer, than you're just wrong.

Also by the time of ME3 the Mass Relay system was still FAR from being completly understood.

True, but I'd chock this one up to laziness more than anything. They had no REASON to start cutting up the relays, since the galaxy, until about 3 years before game, chalked them up to a gift from a Wise Forerunner Race and not plot-coupons towards oblivion. Now that they know better, I'd imagine funding towards figuring them out would skyrocket (and be jumpstarted by all the research from the Crucible relay weapon, a la Manhattan Project).

Of course, this is all discounting the TERRIBLE ENDING, but meh.

 

[Deremix]

So, after all of this destruction, depression and conclusion who just wants to go back to the relatively innocent days of Mass Effect 1 when Reapers weren't really the biggest worry, and Saren was just being stupid and you could go to Noveria and you could call a Hanar a big stupid jellyfish for the first time? (Lol'd when it happened again in ME3.)

Don't worry, ME4 will be just like ME, only a few centuries later.

Aaah. I think after my second playthrough to see what happens with my other decisions, mainly Jack romance, I'm going to reinstall ME1 and just roam around the cities.

 

[Fapmaster5000]

Whoa.

I finally found a game with blacker endings than Geneforge 2. A game which I profess great love for, especially for the endings.

This actually makes me WANT to play the game. Hmmmmmmm.

Problem is, it's not the sadness that makes the endings bad. It's the weapons grade stupid being distributed in them.

I was half expecting the ending to be rows of flag-draped caskets, ending with Shepard's, showing a galaxy united by the equality of loss. I'd have loved that.

As someone else said, letting the Reapers win, passing notes onto the next generation, would have been more appropriate than this mess.

Hell, an option to shoot the star-child/god/AI IN THE FACE and blowing him out an airlock while Shepard has to complete a quick-time-event-dance-battle would have been better than this.

 

[Harrison Grittman]

Ok... So I just beat it... And... All I can really say is like.... What!? And I'm usually the one for dramatic, kill the hero off kinda guy. But seriously... WTF!? Everyone is screwed! And there is literally no closure... What happened to everyone!? What the hell happened to the Reapers!? They just dipped out after the synthesis thing, and were like, "oh they synthesized now... Guess we can just dip out into our vast nothingness."

I could see Anderson dying... Cool with that... But seriously... Killing off Shepard like that? You didnt do that to Revan after the starforge BioWare... Awesome game though... Until the last 5 minutes where Shephard is forced to obliterate himself, and leave the galaxy in an even bigger problem... Where am I... And how am I getting home....

 

[MrFalconfly]

Happy endings?

I got a sollution. Play C&C Red Alert 3. There you have not one but three happy endings.

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

Whoa.

I finally found a game with blacker endings than Geneforge 2. A game which I profess great love for, especially for the endings.

This actually makes me WANT to play the game. Hmmmmmmm.

Problem is, it's not the sadness that makes the endings bad. It's the weapons grade stupid being distributed in them.

I was half expecting the ending to be rows of flag-draped caskets, ending with Shepard's, showing a galaxy united by the equality of loss. I'd have loved that.

As someone else said, letting the Reapers win, passing notes onto the next generation, would have been more appropriate than this mess.

Hell, an option to shoot the star-child/god/AI IN THE FACE and blowing him out an airlock while Shepard has to complete a quick-time-event-dance-battle would have been better than this.

An ending where the reapers win and you have to save whatever you can so that the next cycle has a chance of defeating the reapers would be the bittersweet ending this series deserves.

"It's the ending this series deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So, we'll ignore it, because it would make for great DLC. Because it's not our ending. It's a resolute conclusion. A bittersweet finish. A good ending."
---Bioware's ME3 team

 

[Fapmaster5000]

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An ending where the reapers win and you have to save whatever you can so that the next cycle has a chance of defeating the reapers would be the bittersweet ending this series deserves.

Agreed. I'd have been totally cool with that. Sad, but cool.

Heck, I would have liked that as the "default" win condition. You only get the "we lives!" if you rack up some astronomical readiness score. Then alter it by paragon/renegade for "how did you do it". Leave the cost up in the air, get some ambiguity from "will the Shepard's Peace last?" Sure, maybe have a perfect ending in there for the diehards, but make it painful to get, New Game + stuff.

This? This was nonsense.

This was amateur "lolplot-twist" stuff that beginning writers pull.

And the worst part is, this was on track to be my favorite game (and series) up until those boggling last five minutes.

 

[Flailing Escapist]

All I can say -All I want to say right now is that they could've done better. They could have done SO MUCH BETTER.

Am I disappointed?
-a little but I have several (which I would call better but I also know my preferences more than Bioware does) endings that I like to entertain as well.

Am I upset?
-no... unless they release a Broken Steel-type DLC later and expect us to pay for it. Either stick by the choices you made and then cemented when you released this game or fix it and make it right.

How am I going to remember Mass Effect as a series?
-Good story, moving characters, great villians.. it had a few things (especially in 3) that rubbed my the wrong way but a solid game series all around.

Am I going to replay these games?
-Hell yeah

Would I recommend them?
-I did, I have and I'm going to.

Final Thoughts?
-They could have done so much better than this but it doesn't make me angry - it makes me sad.

 

[Harrison Grittman]

"Hey guys were Reapers... You guys are chaos... Can you guys evolve so we wont have to blow you guys up anymore? K thnx bai"
-The Reapers

 

[Eddie the head]

If it had just ended when Legion said "I" I would have been fine with it. I am trying to think about it deeper but I don't like it.