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SajuukKhar

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Golan Trevize said:
An ending where the reapers win and you have to save whatever you can so that the next cycle has a chance of defeating the reapers would be the bittersweet ending this series deserves.
An ending that leaves you with the inconclusive possibly of the next cycle MAYBE destroying the reapers but most likely losing is better then the supposedly inconclusive ending were you beat the reapers and give the galaxy a real chance to rebuild but you don't know exactly with a 100% certainty what your squad mates did?

That would be a terrible ending because it negates EVERYTHING you did, the ending we get now at least acknowledges bigger choices like curing the genophage, letting the Rachnai live or die, and making peace/destroying the Geth and quarrians.


Not sure if serious or just purposely hypocritical.
 

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Honestly, have none of you ever read a science fiction story?

I... don't understand why there's such a fuss. The ending made perfect sense to me. Everything the child says adds up to everything that's happened. Now, I didn't get all war assets and as such my ending is probably not as optimistic as the 'best' one. I hear there's even one where Shepard lives. In my ending, the Reapers are destroyed (and by proxy every synthetic). Shepard dies as well. Of course the relays are destroyed and pretty much everyone is fucked. But only for a while. My Shepard's sacrifice has given the galaxy a new chance.

No, the galaxy's sacrifice has done that. That's what I got from my ending. And sacrificing things has been a theme since the very first game.

The whole game has a depressing tone, mixed in with little happy moments. From the get-go, the entire galaxy is under direct attack and everything around Shepard is falling apart. This is really the end. To suddenly have everyting work out at the end, that would be a complete betrayal of everything that happened before.

There is no sudden move into 'MAGIC' territory, as some claim. The Child is obviously an AI of sort and chooses this form to be recognizable for Shepard. It's not a 'MAGIC SPACE CHILD HURRR'. Please.

The Child speaks of 'we'. That implies the first Reapers who decided upon the idea of the cycles. The idea of Reapers as almost almighty beings is not new. Now that Shepard and the rest of the galaxy (very important that part) have broken through that cycle, it clearly doesn't work anymore. That's what the Child literally says. So there has to be a new start. And yes, that can only be done by almost dooming the current galaxy.

But to see so many people disillusioned must mean they haven't made all this clear enough to most people. That is a fail on Bioware, and should be recognized as such. But the claims of this ending making absolutely no sense are just wrong. It's probably just disappointment venting. Take a step back, think about it a little. I will admit I had hoped for a more happy ending as well, but that would just be completely contradictory to the tone of the whole game.

A lot of people will probably still rage and say the ending sucks, but what can you do. I don't think there's any way Bioware could've done this that wouldn't have incurred the wrath of the gaming community. Happy/bittersweet ending? I get why you want it, but as I tried to explain I don't think that would've been any 'better'.
 

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Other bitter sweet endings: Half Life, Fallout 3, New Vegas, STALKER, GTA IV, Far Cry 2, Bio Shock (depending on how you played it), most of the really great games I've ever played.
 

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Nimcha said:
Honestly, have none of you ever read a science fiction story?

I... don't understand why there's such a fuss. The ending made perfect sense to me. Everything the child says adds up to everything that's happened. Now, I didn't get all war assets and as such my ending is probably not as optimistic as the 'best' one. I hear there's even one where Shepard lives. In my ending, the Reapers are destroyed (and by proxy every synthetic). Shepard dies as well. Of course the relays are destroyed and pretty much everyone is fucked. But only for a while. My Shepard's sacrifice has given the galaxy a new chance.

No, the galaxy's sacrifice has done that. That's what I got from my ending. And sacrificing things has been a theme since the very first game.

The whole game has a depressing tone, mixed in with little happy moments. From the get-go, the entire galaxy is under direct attack and everything around Shepard is falling apart. This is really the end. To suddenly have everyting work out at the end, that would be a complete betrayal of everything that happened before.

There is no sudden move into 'MAGIC' territory, as some claim. The Child is obviously an AI of sort and chooses this form to be recognizable for Shepard. It's not a 'MAGIC SPACE CHILD HURRR'. Please.

The Child speaks of 'we'. That implies the first Reapers who decided upon the idea of the cycles. The idea of Reapers as almost almighty beings is not new. Now that Shepard and the rest of the galaxy (very important that part) have broken through that cycle, it clearly doesn't work anymore. That's what the Child literally says. So there has to be a new start. And yes, that can only be done by almost dooming the current galaxy.

But to see so many people disillusioned must mean they haven't made all this clear enough to most people. That is a fail on Bioware, and should be recognized as such. But the claims of this ending making absolutely no sense are just wrong. It's probably just disappointment venting. Take a step back, think about it a little. I will admit I had hoped for a more happy ending as well, but that would just be completely contradictory to the tone of the whole game.

A lot of people will probably still rage and say the ending sucks, but what can you do. I don't think there's any way Bioware could've done this that wouldn't have incurred the wrath of the gaming community. Happy/bittersweet ending? I get why you want it, but as I tried to explain I don't think that would've been any 'better'.
Your joking right you missed out the whole reason people are mad its not that the endings are bad its that its so full of holes it looks like cheese

Right lets just look a few

The crucible: why does this thing exist its suggested that its reaper tech but why would they leave plans for it the only thing i can think of is that the end goal was to merge organic and inorganic life and if that's true why bother with the fucking cycle

and don't even get me started on how the crucible is nothing more than a magic wand that does things just cause , shepard may as well have read from the codex of the nine divines for all the sense it made

The reapers: this is another thing why are they doing what there doing they wipe out advanced civilizations to stop them from being ....wiped ..out wait what because that makes sense why not just wipe out machines , and for that mater why bother with turning people into reapers why not harvest a hundred vials of blood and build more robots

Magic moon child: seriously whats is with this, ok so its a reaper but why is it helping you sure the cycles failed but its only failed because they let it fail why start helping now just leave shepard to bleed out below and continue the cycle

This is the main reason the ending sucks it relies on space magic and the reapers letting you win for some reason basically it feels unfinished and its poorly written and the whole thing would be better if shepard just bleed out flailing at the console
 

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theonecookie said:
Nimcha said:
Honestly, have none of you ever read a science fiction story?

I... don't understand why there's such a fuss. The ending made perfect sense to me. Everything the child says adds up to everything that's happened. Now, I didn't get all war assets and as such my ending is probably not as optimistic as the 'best' one. I hear there's even one where Shepard lives. In my ending, the Reapers are destroyed (and by proxy every synthetic). Shepard dies as well. Of course the relays are destroyed and pretty much everyone is fucked. But only for a while. My Shepard's sacrifice has given the galaxy a new chance.

No, the galaxy's sacrifice has done that. That's what I got from my ending. And sacrificing things has been a theme since the very first game.

The whole game has a depressing tone, mixed in with little happy moments. From the get-go, the entire galaxy is under direct attack and everything around Shepard is falling apart. This is really the end. To suddenly have everyting work out at the end, that would be a complete betrayal of everything that happened before.

There is no sudden move into 'MAGIC' territory, as some claim. The Child is obviously an AI of sort and chooses this form to be recognizable for Shepard. It's not a 'MAGIC SPACE CHILD HURRR'. Please.

The Child speaks of 'we'. That implies the first Reapers who decided upon the idea of the cycles. The idea of Reapers as almost almighty beings is not new. Now that Shepard and the rest of the galaxy (very important that part) have broken through that cycle, it clearly doesn't work anymore. That's what the Child literally says. So there has to be a new start. And yes, that can only be done by almost dooming the current galaxy.

But to see so many people disillusioned must mean they haven't made all this clear enough to most people. That is a fail on Bioware, and should be recognized as such. But the claims of this ending making absolutely no sense are just wrong. It's probably just disappointment venting. Take a step back, think about it a little. I will admit I had hoped for a more happy ending as well, but that would just be completely contradictory to the tone of the whole game.

A lot of people will probably still rage and say the ending sucks, but what can you do. I don't think there's any way Bioware could've done this that wouldn't have incurred the wrath of the gaming community. Happy/bittersweet ending? I get why you want it, but as I tried to explain I don't think that would've been any 'better'.
Your joking right you missed out the whole reason people are mad its not that the endings are bad its that its so full of holes it looks like cheese

Right lets just look a few

The crucible: why does this thing exist its suggested that its reaper tech but why would they leave plans for it the only thing i can think of is that the end goal was to merge organic and inorganic life and if that's true why bother with the fucking cycle

and don't even get me started on how the crucible is nothing more than a magic wand that does things just cause , shepard may as well have read from the codex of the nine divines for all the sense it made

The reapers: this is another thing why are they doing what there doing they wipe out advanced civilizations to stop them from being ....wiped ..out wait what because that makes sense why not just wipe out machines , and for that mater why bother with turning people into reapers why not harvest a hundred vials of blood and build more robots

Magic moon child: seriously whats is with this, ok so its a reaper but why is it helping you sure the cycles failed but its only failed because they let it fail why start helping now just leave shepard to bleed out below and continue the cycle

This is the main reason the ending sucks it relies on space magic and the reapers letting you win for some reason basically it feels unfinished and its poorly written and the whole thing would be better if shepard just bleed out flailing at the console
Oh, wow. I don't even know where to begin. First, did you even read my post? Second, did you even play the game?

The Child literally explains everything you ask. The point is to wipe out advanced civilizations. To stop the synthetics eventually wiping out everything.

It just literally says that! Word for word. If you have already forgotten that, how can I even take your post seriously? Just pay more attention to what happens, please.
 

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Nimcha said:
But the claims of this ending making absolutely no sense are just wrong. It's probably just disappointment venting. Take a step back, think about it a little. I will admit I had hoped for a more happy ending as well, but that would just be completely contradictory to the tone of the whole game.

A lot of people will probably still rage and say the ending sucks, but what can you do. I don't think there's any way Bioware could've done this that wouldn't have incurred the wrath of the gaming community. Happy/bittersweet ending? I get why you want it, but as I tried to explain I don't think that would've been any 'better'.
I think you hit the nail on the head there. A lot of it is probably disappointment, due to it not panning out anywhere near what people had hoped for. I must say, I did take a step back and been thinking about it, since I completed the game yesterday and combined with what you just wrote it does make sense. I think my initial negative reaction to the ending came from the shock of how it did indeed end. But props to the writers, both for making me care so much both for my Shep but also for my crewmates, former and current and the galaxy at large. And also props for actually going through with an ending like this. I hope they stick to their guns and don't release an alternate DLC ending as the BSN so craves(among others).

I also agree that there's no way Bioware could've pulled off an ending to please everyone, but I think this is the ending the trilogy deserved. The ultimate sacrifice for the ultimate reward; being rid of the Reapers. The more I think about it, the more I actually like it. I still don't like the Normandy bit though.
 

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theonecookie said:
Your joking right you missed out the whole reason people are mad its not that the endings are bad its that its so full of holes it looks like cheese

Right lets just look a few

The crucible: why does this thing exist its suggested that its reaper tech but why would they leave plans for it the only thing i can think of is that the end goal was to merge organic and inorganic life and if that's true why bother with the fucking cycle

and don't even get me started on how the crucible is nothing more than a magic wand that does things just cause , shepard may as well have read from the codex of the nine divines for all the sense it made

The reapers: this is another thing why are they doing what there doing they wipe out advanced civilizations to stop them from being ....wiped ..out wait what because that makes sense why not just wipe out machines , and for that mater why bother with turning people into reapers why not harvest a hundred vials of blood and build more robots

Magic moon child: seriously whats is with this, ok so its a reaper but why is it helping you sure the cycles failed but its only failed because they let it fail why start helping now just leave shepard to bleed out below and continue the cycle

This is the main reason the ending sucks it relies on space magic and the reapers letting you win for some reason basically it feels unfinished and its poorly written and the whole thing would be better if shepard just bleed out flailing at the console
1. Because the reapers couldn't make that choice for the other species it had to be made by them. Beyond they state IN THE GAME that the Catalyst itself couldnt do that by himself due to the way the thing was designed.

2.It isn't magic, that is just plain hyperbole.

3.If you cant understand the difference between destroying out ONLY TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED life to prevent the destruction of ALL future life, and the wholesale destruction of all life permanently then you must not have been paying attention.

Because it is easier to harvest already living life then taking blood cloning more people and then harvesting them anyways.

4. It is an AI taking the form of something that Shepards mind can understand, much like the anceints from stargate or the Q from star trek they exist beyond forms.

Secondly The Reapers want to preserve life in the galaxy, Shepard being there gives them options they didnt have before and a possible way to end the cycle, which they never really WANTED to have to do in the first place. It is obvious why he would help Shepard
 

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Of course I played the game the reapers where protecting less advanced civilizations by wiping out more advanced ones But why. why wipe out life when you can you can just wipe out the machines in fact why not just merge life and machine like they so obviously wanted and had the tech to do

SajuukKhar said:
theonecookie said:
Your joking right you missed out the whole reason people are mad its not that the endings are bad its that its so full of holes it looks like cheese

Right lets just look a few

The crucible: why does this thing exist its suggested that its reaper tech but why would they leave plans for it the only thing i can think of is that the end goal was to merge organic and inorganic life and if that's true why bother with the fucking cycle

and don't even get me started on how the crucible is nothing more than a magic wand that does things just cause , shepard may as well have read from the codex of the nine divines for all the sense it made

The reapers: this is another thing why are they doing what there doing they wipe out advanced civilizations to stop them from being ....wiped ..out wait what because that makes sense why not just wipe out machines , and for that mater why bother with turning people into reapers why not harvest a hundred vials of blood and build more robots

Magic moon child: seriously whats is with this, ok so its a reaper but why is it helping you sure the cycles failed but its only failed because they let it fail why start helping now just leave shepard to bleed out below and continue the cycle

This is the main reason the ending sucks it relies on space magic and the reapers letting you win for some reason basically it feels unfinished and its poorly written and the whole thing would be better if shepard just bleed out flailing at the console
1. Because the reapers couldn't make that choice for the other species it had to be made by them. Beyond they state IN THE GAME that the Catalyst itself couldnt do that by himself due to the way the thing was designed.

2.It isn't magic, that is just plain hyperbole.

3.If you cant understand the difference between destroying out ONLY TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED life to prevent the destruction of ALL future life, and the wholesale destruction of all life permanently then you must not have been paying attention.

Because it is easier to harvest already living life then taking blood cloning more people and then harvesting them anyways.

4. It is an AI taking the form of something that Shepards mind can understand, much like the anceints from stargate or the Q from star trek they exist beyond forms.

Secondly The Reapers want to preserve life in the galaxy, Shepard being there gives them options they didnt have before and a possible way to end the cycle, which they never really WANTED to have to do in the first place. It is obvious why he would help Shepard
1 why was it designed that way why bother wiping out all life when you can just build the machine to combine organic and inorganic life it was designed by the reapers and it took the alliance about a month to build

2 no it is magic everything else is explained in some depth the crucible on the other hand is a magic space wand

3 again why bother just build the magic problem solver and that's not what i was on about the reapers where over designed blood banks whats was the need to create machine people hybrids

4 again this makes no sense why not just build the maguffin and be done with it and why try and stop the humans from using it if machine hybrids are your end goal
 

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Biggest plothole.

Reapers wipe out advance races so synthetics won't destroy them in the first place.

Hello geth and EDI. Only reason Geth took the home planet is because the quarians decided to be a bunch of pricks and kill them for being sentient. Then the geth wanted peace, but the quarians were like fuck no. If you actually remember the data stream part of the game, the flashbacks show that the war was quarian's fault rather than geth, and the geth NEVER tried to wipe the quarians out.
 

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Ok I'll man up and admit it.  I thought that ME3 was an excellent game, the combat was fun, the characters were excellently written, the content massive and enjoyable and I actually cried when Mordin died.  I was having the time of my life.  Then I read the spoilers for the ending...wow.  Really?  No matter what you do the galaxy is royally screwed over.  I wouldn't mind a bittersweet ending but it doesn't really feel bittersweet, in the very best one, Shepard is all alone, the Mass Relays are offline, all synthetics are dead and the Normandy is stranded in the middle of no where.  That's not bittersweet, that's a Phyrric Victory.

It's sad really, the writting in the rest of the game was the best yet, and then this came out of nowhere.  What happened Bioware?  Couldn't you give me a bittersweet ending that actually had some sweetness to it?  Couldn't you at least have had Shepard with the rest of the Normandy on that planet showing that they were living happily?  I used to be on your side.

I haven't played it yet so maybe it's executted very well, but I'm just not a fan of downer endings.  My only hope is that Bioware goes the way of Fallout 3 and releases a much more satisfing ending.  But there's a nasty feeling in the pit of my stomach.

How did this happen? Seriously, this is the ONLY complaint I have about this game, I thought that the rest of it was perfection, but this destroyed everything. HOW COULD THEY THINK THAT THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA! WHAT HAPPENED TO THE DEFINITIVE HAPPY ENDING THAT THEY PROMISED US!?

"Sigh" great, now I feel depressed, I'm gonna go watch some My Little Pony to cheer myself up

EDIT: I thought that this would be appropriate

http://www.bethsoft.com/images/games/games_fallout3feature2.jpg

Speaking of which, show of hands, anyone else know if Bioware will actually try to make a Broken Steel for ME3?

Reapers are trying to destroy the galaxy. Why the fuck would there be a happy ending??

I don't think the holocaust ended happily for the jews... this is kind of the same scenario.
 

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poiumty said:
John Howard said:
You don't HAVE to play multi to get the "full" ending, it's just an alternative. Nah you just have to go around and do all the side-quests and get all of the crap in the galaxy using scan (don't remember what it's called, who cares).
I had like 2 or 3 sidequests I didn't get because I didn't know where to get them from. Hmm. If you're certain, then I'll do that on my 2nd playthrough.
What Multiplayer does it get up the Galaxy Readiness bar which essentially makes it so you need to get less Military strength in the SP. But getting the MS up is really easy.
 

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Nimcha said:
Honestly, have none of you ever read a science fiction story?

I will admit I had hoped for a more happy ending as well, but that would just be completely contradictory to the tone of the whole game.
Agreed.

Though I think it's fair to call bullshit when the ending is contradictory to the whole "Your choices matter". Everything ends in Bedlam no matter what you do.

Honestly, I'm glad someone made this topic. I'm not buying ME3, though I was curious how the story ends, and it sounds like I would have been rightly annoyed. It's not the lack of a "happy ending" that bothers me, but how ultimately nothing you do really matters.

...And I'm certain EA will mandate spinoffs and sequels anyway. Can't wait to see how they work around the end of galactic civilization, and long-distance space travel.
When they do get around to it, it will be hilarious. The same people who felt betrayed by this ending will rail and rage against Bioware again...while still shelling out money for the games.
 

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jason27131 said:
Biggest plothole.

Reapers wipe out advance races so synthetics won't destroy them in the first place.

Hello geth and EDI. Only reason Geth took the home planet is because the quarians decided to be a bunch of pricks and kill them for being sentient. Then the geth wanted peace, but the quarians were like fuck no. If you actually remember the data stream part of the game, the flashbacks show that the war was quarian's fault rather than geth, and the geth NEVER tried to wipe the quarians out.
Another fun plothole: If the Guardian could control the Citadel why did Sovereign need Saren to do it for them in ME1?
 

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Nimcha said:
Honestly, have none of you ever read a science fiction story?

I... don't understand why there's such a fuss. The ending made perfect sense to me. Everything the child says adds up to everything that's happened. Now, I didn't get all war assets and as such my ending is probably not as optimistic as the 'best' one. I hear there's even one where Shepard lives. In my ending, the Reapers are destroyed (and by proxy every synthetic). Shepard dies as well. Of course the relays are destroyed and pretty much everyone is fucked. But only for a while. My Shepard's sacrifice has given the galaxy a new chance.

No, the galaxy's sacrifice has done that. That's what I got from my ending. And sacrificing things has been a theme since the very first game.

The whole game has a depressing tone, mixed in with little happy moments. From the get-go, the entire galaxy is under direct attack and everything around Shepard is falling apart. This is really the end. To suddenly have everyting work out at the end, that would be a complete betrayal of everything that happened before.

There is no sudden move into 'MAGIC' territory, as some claim. The Child is obviously an AI of sort and chooses this form to be recognizable for Shepard. It's not a 'MAGIC SPACE CHILD HURRR'. Please.

The Child speaks of 'we'. That implies the first Reapers who decided upon the idea of the cycles. The idea of Reapers as almost almighty beings is not new. Now that Shepard and the rest of the galaxy (very important that part) have broken through that cycle, it clearly doesn't work anymore. That's what the Child literally says. So there has to be a new start. And yes, that can only be done by almost dooming the current galaxy.

But to see so many people disillusioned must mean they haven't made all this clear enough to most people. That is a fail on Bioware, and should be recognized as such. But the claims of this ending making absolutely no sense are just wrong. It's probably just disappointment venting. Take a step back, think about it a little. I will admit I had hoped for a more happy ending as well, but that would just be completely contradictory to the tone of the whole game.

A lot of people will probably still rage and say the ending sucks, but what can you do. I don't think there's any way Bioware could've done this that wouldn't have incurred the wrath of the gaming community. Happy/bittersweet ending? I get why you want it, but as I tried to explain I don't think that would've been any 'better'.
thank god I'm not the only person who saw this. The games ending felt more like a novel to me than a video game, you just don't see these sorts of ending in video games that often so I guess that is why people are bitching. You don't see this ending in Movies any more either because the unwashed mashes can't handle a compelling ending to a compelling series. Just look at what they did to I am Legend for proof of this.

The ending was beyond satisfying for me. Compare it to say the ending of Halo. Halos ending was basically 'when ever we want more money we can make a sequel' ending. Talk about lame.
 

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1. Because the reapers couldn't make that choice for the other species it had to be made by them. Beyond they state IN THE GAME that the Catalyst itself couldnt do that by himself due to the way the thing was designed.

2.It isn't magic, that is just plain hyperbole.

3.If you cant understand the difference between destroying out ONLY TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED life to prevent the destruction of ALL future life, and the wholesale destruction of all life permanently then you must not have been paying attention.

Because it is easier to harvest already living life then taking blood cloning more people and then harvesting them anyways.

4. It is an AI taking the form of something that Shepards mind can understand, much like the anceints from stargate or the Q from star trek they exist beyond forms.

Secondly The Reapers want to preserve life in the galaxy, Shepard being there gives them options they didnt have before and a possible way to end the cycle, which they never really WANTED to have to do in the first place. It is obvious why he would help Shepard
Im sorry but you are reaching on several levels here.

1. This is highly speculative and not actually expressed in the game. . But to continue to speculate, if the reapers really wanted to "save" undeveloped species they would have destroyed the Relays a long time ago to keep them from following the reaper tech, how are they trying to give future organic life a "chance" if they are at the same time setting them up for failure?

1-a Furthermore if Reaper tech is the result of some early robot apocalypse millions of years ago, that means that other aliens created the mass relays and the entities that would become the reapers. If this is the situation, how does the destruction of the relays keep future races from getting to the same point which they always seems to do.

2- So you are saying that the Catlyst has the technology to merge organic and synthetic life instantly. We now have to assume that they have technology that is advanced to the point of replicating magic. If this was the case, why would they go through the trouble of the whole reaper process. Why wouldnt they figure out a way to fix things without killing trillions of organcis(and synthetic) life? It just seems like the worst/dumbest choice to use in "helping" organic life and makes little sense. The sudden presence of technology that can replicate magic is just poor writing.

3- I understand that difference, but why? Why would they not choose another option. Furthermore, why would they allow Shepard to make any decision that would in thier mind inevitably lead to the same conclusion. Why would they do so and then keep the mass relays which automatically means that the cycle will complete. It is literally a self fulfilling prophecy. Furthermore you say its "harder" to do this and that, yet their technology has risen to the level of mysticism, they are literally infinite, so i dont get why they dont bother with other alternatives if their goals are so honorable and benevolent.

4- I get why its a kid, but i dont get how shepard getting there somehow gives them new options, nor how these new options somehow solve the problem. As i have stated before, their solution before shepard clearly just kept the issue spiraling, but by letting shep control/destroy all they are doing is resetting the system but there is no reason to think that it wont lead back to the same conclusion. The "merge" option still doesnt make sense becuase A- it such a grand event why didnt they do it before, and B- how will this change peoples will to advance and make their lives easier?


Further points

1- What is the purpose of allowing organics to develop without the knowledge that they would eventually be destroyed? It is clear that they cultivate them in order to kill them, why not put an indoctrination signal on each planet to make the people wait patiently and hopfully for the reapers, why go through the struggle of a painful and ugly war everytime if their goal is "salvation."

2- It still makes no sense that Joker and half the crew were randomly in the Normandy flying though a relay when they were clearly in the middle of the battle at the very end.

3- We still have little clue to the reaper origins. Where did they come from, why did they get here. If we are going to speculate on their purpose then we should have gotten more backround info.

4- The biggest issue of all of this is that this is a GAME not a book. If it were a book where i had no choice in what actions took place then i would not mind such a bittersweet ending; however, in EVERY other "choice" game, especially bioware choices, we as the players have the ability to do work in order to get "happy" choices, sad ones, bitter sweet ones, etc. For them to give us choice all through and then take away that choice at the end is a serious misstep in narrative/interactive story telling. Its like a choose your own path book that has only one ending. If that was the case why let me choose? I get what they were trying to do, i get the symbolic and thematic elements of life, choice, humanity and will, etc, but that doesnt mean that these should be the only options that the players have at the end. We all played the game wanting to see Shep save the galaxy not hit the reset button, to be shown in the last 5 min of a 3 game epic that the only way to really save the galaxy is to destroy it as it has been for the last few centuries/eons is a true kick in the groing and a bad decision.

5- The fans (such as myself) love this story's universe. The ending of the game means that there is nothing else possible in this universe as we know it. Even a prequel would still be hard to get into becuase you know the end result. I dont even want to replay the game becuase i know that all of the hopes and expectations i wanted for the story will not come to fruition. Again, if it were a book, that would be great. It is not a book, it is a game it has different parameters for what should and should not be done.
 

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feeqmatic said:
5- The fans (such as myself) love this story's universe. The ending of the game means that there is nothing else possible in this universe as we know it. Even a prequel would still be hard to get into becuase you know the end result. I dont even want to replay the game becuase i know that all of the hopes and expectations i wanted for the story will not come to fruition. Again, if it were a book, that would be great. It is not a book, it is a game it has different parameters for what should and should not be done.
That's what also got me. They literally ENDED the universe. Sure you could make prequels and spin offs but where's the fun in that? People want to see time in the universe move on and if everything that made Mass Effect, Mass Effect, is gone then what's the point?
 

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Uhm...the game came out today in Europe,the existence of this thread is kind of irritating,if you guys get my point.
 

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T3hSource said:
Uhm...the game came out today in Europe,the existence of this thread is kind of irritating,if you guys get my point.
it does have a clear spoiler tag...

That said, it just hit me. What will all of the new players think about this ending? The game was epic up until that point, some were probably even prepared to go and buy old ones. But why would you back track if all you will end up doing is destroying the galaxy as we know it?