Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut ~ It's Official :O

[axlryder]

Through additional cinematic sequences and epilogue scenes, the Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut will give fans seeking further clarity to the ending of Mass Effect 3 deeper insights into how their personal journey concludes

It sounds like shit. We don't want answers. This isn't LOST. We want an ending that makes sense.

What this guy said.

Double what this guy said. Haha exactly my thoughts

triple!

c-c-c-COMBO BREAKER!

though, I honestly think it sounds like some BS damage control too. In this case "preserving artistic integrity" sounds more like "backing the shitty writing". That said, something is better than nothing. At least it will pacify a few disappointed souls.

 

[AbstractStream]

Through additional cinematic sequences and epilogue scenes, the Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut will give fans seeking further clarity to the ending of Mass Effect 3 deeper insights into how their personal journey concludes

It sounds like shit. We don't want answers. This isn't LOST. We want an ending that makes sense.

What this guy said.

Double what this guy said. Haha exactly my thoughts

triple!

Adam here usually hits the nail on the head, so I'm gonna quadruple that notion.
At the same time, I'll take what I can get. Doesn't seem like Bioware is gonna do much more.

 

[SajuukKhar]

That's ironic because it's the same logical fallacy the Catalysis is making (once evil always evil). Don't you realize that the whole "synthetics will eventually kill all organics" is nothing more than an opinion? An opinion that is in itself illogical.

-How can The Catalyst KNOW that synthetics will eventually kill ALL organics unless it happened many times in the past? And how can synthetics kill ALL organics in the galaxy more than once? All organics means ALL ORGANICS. Not just advanced races. If synthetics don't actually kill all organics then what's the point of the Reapers? And why don't the Reapers just kill all synthetics instead? It would be easier, cleaner and more to the point. Their current task doesn't make any sense whatsoever!

-So on one hand we have an assumption that synthetics will eventually kill all organics, without any shred of evidence, and on the other hand we have an entire race of synthetics that doesn't want to harm organics. Sure, you can argue that it's only for the time being, but you can't know that, and it shows that the co-existence isn't impossible. That's what's important. Assumptions can't be proved or disproved. They are based on probability. And the probability is in favor of possible co-existence. An advanced race of machines should know at least that much about logic. It turns out they aren't incomprehensible, they're just retarded.

Except The catalyst is saying A synthetic race will eventually kill everything, he never stated it would be the geth, he never once impied the geth would go evil just that at some point in he future A synthetic race would.

So no, it really isnt the same fallacy.

Also it isnt an opinion its mathematically sound based on the long-term effects of probability
.
.
beyond that just killing synthetics would leave organics alive and at a point which they could make more synthetics, which means a exponentially increase rate at which
-the Reapers have to go to war
-Have to mine resources from planets
-have to harvest organic races to replace their numbers

Killing just synthetics would drain the galaxy of resources far faster and would most likely, end up with the organic races attacking the Reapers anyways.

 

[Unsilenced]

Except The catalyst is saying A synthetic race will eventually kill everything, he never stated it would be the geth, he never once impied the geth would go evil just that at some point in he future A synthetic race would.

So no, it really isnt the same fallacy.

Also it isnt an opinion its mathematically sound based on the long-term effects of probability.

Eventually chipmunks will ruin everything, man! It's what I've been trying to say! Probability favors that, given enough time, even the slightest chance will eventually pay off.

CHIPMUNK UPRISING WILL HAPPEN. MUST EXTERMINATE EVERYTHING!




...


Or we could just realize what an insane brand of logic that is and call it a day.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

That's ironic because it's the same logical fallacy the Catalysis is making (once evil always evil). Don't you realize that the whole "synthetics will eventually kill all organics" is nothing more than an opinion? An opinion that is in itself illogical.

-How can The Catalyst KNOW that synthetics will eventually kill ALL organics unless it happened many times in the past? And how can synthetics kill ALL organics in the galaxy more than once? All organics means ALL ORGANICS. Not just advanced races. If synthetics don't actually kill all organics then what's the point of the Reapers? And why don't the Reapers just kill all synthetics instead? It would be easier, cleaner and more to the point. Their current task doesn't make any sense whatsoever!

-So on one hand we have an assumption that synthetics will eventually kill all organics, without any shred of evidence, and on the other hand we have an entire race of synthetics that doesn't want to harm organics. Sure, you can argue that it's only for the time being, but you can't know that, and it shows that the co-existence isn't impossible. That's what's important. Assumptions can't be proved or disproved. They are based on probability. And the probability is in favor of possible co-existence. An advanced race of machines should know at least that much about logic. It turns out they aren't incomprehensible, they're just retarded.

Except The catalyst is saying A synthetic race will eventually kill everything, he never stated it would be the geth, he never once impied the geth would go evil just that at some point in he future A synthetic race would.

So no, it really isnt the same fallacy.

Also it isnt an opinion its mathematically sound based on the long-term effects of probability.

Jesus Christ!
It doesn't matter if it's geth or some other race. The Catalyst just doesn't have the necessary data to make such an assertion. If he had the data that would mean that organics already don't exist because a synthetic race destroyed all organics. But if you save both the geth and quarians then The Catalyst has the necessary data to acknowledge that co-existence is possible between synthetics and organics. It doesn't matter if they are geth, it doesn't matter how long the peace will last because that's the only data he actually has on the subject of organics vs synthetics. That and his precious Reapers. He has nothing else to go on. Nothing else to justify his assertion! He's being 100% illogical.

beyond that just killing synthetics would leave organics alive and at a point which they could make more synthetics, which means a exponentially increase rate at which
-the Reapers have to go to war
-Have to mine resources from planets
-have to harvest organic races to replace their numbers

You are again starting from the assumption that organics must create synthetics and that synthetics must go to war with organics every time. There is no evidence to support that claim.

Killing just synthetics would drain the galaxy of resources far faster and would most likely, end up with the organic races attacking the Reapers anyways.

Another baseless assumption.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Except The catalyst is saying A synthetic race will eventually kill everything, he never stated it would be the geth, he never once impied the geth would go evil just that at some point in he future A synthetic race would.

So no, it really isnt the same fallacy.

Also it isnt an opinion its mathematically sound based on the long-term effects of probability.

Eventually chipmunks will ruin everything, man! It's what I've been trying to say! Probability favors that, given enough time, even the slightest chance will eventually pay off.

CHIPMUNK UPRISING WILL HAPPEN. MUST EXTERMINATE EVERYTHING!




...


Or we could just realize what an insane brand of logic that is and call it a day.

Nice hyperbole.

The possibility of a chimpmunk uprising is 0.

try harder next time kid.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Jesus Christ!
It doesn't matter if it's geth or some other race. The Catalyst just doesn't have the necessary data to make such an assertion. If he had the data that would mean that organics already don't exist because a synthetic race destroyed all organics. But if you save both the geth and quarians then The Catalyst has the necessary data to acknowledge that co-existence is possible between synthetics and organics. It doesn't matter if they are geth, it doesn't matter how long the peace will last because that's the only data he actually has on the subject of organics vs synthetics. That and his precious Reapers. He has nothing else to go on. Nothing else to justify his assertion! He's being 100% illogical.

Actually he does

It's called
-Probability
-Time
-How long periods of time effect probability

Also organics could have already been wiped out in some previous cycle, with the synthetics trying to atone for their sins by protecting future organics.

Or

the Reapers could have easily witnessed countless syth vs organic wars were the synthetics won and The Reapers came in and destroyed them

or
any number of possible things.

 

[Major_Tom]

Through additional cinematic sequences and epilogue scenes, the Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut will give fans seeking further clarity to the ending of Mass Effect 3 deeper insights into how their personal journey concludes

It sounds like shit. We don't want answers. This isn't LOST. We want an ending that makes sense.

Again Jensen, you are completely right. They'll probably just fill the plot holes with more plot holes. There is no way in hell they can explain that stupid god-star-brat-glowing-testicle-thing.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Even with that argument, the main thing that bugged me, and made me had the Catalysts reasons is that, even with Shepard working for 2 games to broker a peace between the Geth and Quarians, and having a close teammate/friend in EDI, when the Catalyst says "oh, synthetic life will always kill organic life" shepard just goes


"oh...okay"


the whole thing would have went over so much smoother if they had just bothered to give shepard a couple of lines of him at least disagreeing. Even if the Catalyst didn't listen to him it would have been better than just "this is how it is" "okay".

I wont deny it was handled like shit.

It would have been better had the Catalyst showed videos of races across time getting decimated by synthetics over and over, or something similar.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

Jesus Christ!
It doesn't matter if it's geth or some other race. The Catalyst just doesn't have the necessary data to make such an assertion. If he had the data that would mean that organics already don't exist because a synthetic race destroyed all organics. But if you save both the geth and quarians then The Catalyst has the necessary data to acknowledge that co-existence is possible between synthetics and organics. It doesn't matter if they are geth, it doesn't matter how long the peace will last because that's the only data he actually has on the subject of organics vs synthetics. That and his precious Reapers. He has nothing else to go on. Nothing else to justify his assertion! He's being 100% illogical.

Actually he does

It's called
-Probability
-Time
-How long periods of time effect probability

Also organics could have already been wiped out in some previous cycle, with the synthetics trying to atone for their sins by protecting future organics.

Or

the Reapers could have easily witnessed countless syth vs organic wars were the synthetics won and The Reapers came in and destroyed them

or
any number of possible things.

Again. More baseless assumptions. You can't just say 'maybe this maybe that'.
If that were even remotely true wouldn't it be logical for The Catalyst to share that most important piece of information with Shepard before presenting him with a choice that without the complete explanation doesn't make any sense at all? Without that information why would Shepard believe anything The Catalyst told him when after analyzing everything he said the only logical conclusion is that The Catalyst doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about?

Here's the guy that controls the Reapers. Machines I've been trying to kill for so long. Lets believe everything he says even though the little of what he actually said is completely illogical. Yeah, that's a good idea.

Face it. Bioware is filled with morons.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Shepard had better still die.

I'm serious.

If she doesn't die I'll be pissed off. One thing they did right about the ending was for Shepard to have to make an ultimate sacrifice. It was an emotional moment for me and I'd like for it to stay in there.

 

[SajuukKhar]

But why would you take what the catalyst says at face value?

For all we know it could be full of crap, you can't discredit what it says because you lack context, but you can't prove it either.

Who's to say that its statement isn't just a biased perspective that was given to it when it was created?

The only examples given to you are the geth, who don't really fit that idea, and that one AI race mentioned by Javik, who actually seem to fall into that category. (I won't include the reapers because of their connection to the catalyst)

Those are all the examples given by the game, and it's 50/50. By your own experience you can't confirm or deny the catalysts argument, and there is no evidence that suggests the "problem" for wich it created that elaborate solution actually exists.

I personally don't agree with The Catalyst's actions myself, nor did I ever say he wasn't bullshitting.

Nor did I like the fact that you couldn't tell him off because by Shepard's, limited, view he would be wrong, and you should have been able to say that.

I am merely pointing out that his statement of "inevitability" is backed up by math, be it the real reason he does what he does or not.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

I am merely pointing out that his statement of "inevitability" is backed up by math

No it isn't. There's not enough data for that to be true. You have to create your own assumptions for that and then it wouldn't be math.

 

[SajuukKhar]

I am merely pointing out that his statement of "inevitability" is backed up by math

No it isn't. There's not enough data for that to be true. You have to create your own assumptions for that and then it wouldn't be math.

Except there is enough data, again you are ignoring the long term effects of probability

Be it this cycle, the next one, the one 1000 cycles for now or the one 10000000000000 cycles from now, the fact of the matter is eventually a race will build synthetics that will kill all organic life currently living in the galaxy.

given enough time, in this case over millions of years, the probability of all things becomes 100%.

If you were to live for 1 million years and they used cars from now until then the chance of you not getting hit at some point is 0.

You are thinking in timespans of a couple thousand years, The Reaper use timespans of millions, and your inability to is why you cant understand it.

 

[PurePareidolia]

An extended cut could do a lot to patch up some of the plot holes the ending left. It might not make the Catalyst sound reasonable, but i think this is probably the best option we could've hoped for. A rewrite would feel cheap, but a re-cut to address concerns should end up making it at least tolerable.

 

[Joseph Alexander]

Bioware could have avoided all the controversy if they simply made an epilogue screen akin to what they did in Origins. The endings would have still sucked but at the very least they would have provided some form of closure.

not entirely, much of the rage is from 2 other things:
1. the backwards logic and justification presented by the "star child", which is easily refuted by having a working brain.
2.the fact there is maybe one or two thing differing from ending to ending, making them in effect the same thing but with different colored space magic.