Mass Effect 3, Indoctrination theory (new and extended)

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

I've said this in every IT thread(I will look at this video tomorrow) but it really smacks of FF VIII Dream Theory trying to make sense of the plot post disc 2. Many things brought up could easily just have been bad writing, hallmarks of the genre, constraints of the system or maybe it was something dropped at the end of development.

That is the only evidence I have seen come out of IT and it really hasn't done anything for me unlike Marauder Shields. Now I don't know if people here know of FF VIII's Dream Theory but to me they seem quite similar with their justifications which is why they fall short in my books.

 

[FilipJPhry]

Holy crap, I'm gonna have to save this thread for tomorrow, when I have a bottle of vodka and some grapes. I cancelled my preorder thanks to EA's aggravating tactics and no longer care for spoilers. I am interested how this plays out.

 

[Vault101]

....yeah

how does one defeat "dark energy"?....like is it even a thing? the Idea isnt bad but you cant just run off and "defeat" somthing

like me saying I need to "defeat" sunshine or I need to "defeat" the black hole

 

[boag]

Bull fucking shit. The indoctrination theory is just mental gymnastics in a vain attempt to see something that isn't there.
7. The bodies are there because the game itself explained they beamed the bodies up into the citadel. Not only that, but repeat models in piles are a common way to save time in development. Don't believe me? Look at the MANY piles of bodies in Left 4 dead 1 & 2. If valve cant make everything unique, then Bioware cant. You won't even notice it anyway.

Know what? I am going to stop right here. Its just fallacy after fallacy.

I mean really. Is it not sad enough that the ending of ME3 was bad? Must we pull conspiracy theories out of our collective asses so we may delude ourselves that it was something brooding and deep?

Must we be in denial?

Bioware dropped the literary ball on its series's defining moment. That's all there is to it. Now can we please move on?

I foudn the bodies thign creepy..they werent there before..and when have we seen pheonix armour post ME1? (the reapeat models is no surprised given its a agme) but those bodies definetly seem out of place (last night the whole thign actually creeped me out)

the ONLY thing that makes me unsure about "IT" is that it would jsut be a little to brilliant to be true...even then your coutner argument isnt anymore convincing than arguments for "IT"

I understand people are sick of talking about ME3, but true ot not I find this stuff absolutly facinating

Cue thread covering the same stuff already covered ages ago.

Pretty sure the bloke who made the video should really just let it go.

he wont let it go as long as he keeps getting views in the millions, which means people arent ready to let it go either.

Cue thread covering the same stuff already covered ages ago.

Pretty sure the bloke who made the video should really just let it go.

its not about "letting go" I'm not spending my time sitting in my room being angry and crying over the nding..no I've moved on like most people have

but becuase Im "fan" I love this kind of stuff...this is better than jsut analyzing charachters and themes

to put it another way, this shit is actually FUN

oh, I whole heartily agree, I enjoy these videos as well, I just wish the red letter media guys would do more so that other people dont start to fill in the spot they leave open.

 

[Vault101]

No clue, which is why as bad as the current ending is, it still makes a LITTLE more sense.

The way I see it is perhaps the Reapers are "saving" races by preserving their genetics in reaper form to survive the eventual dark matter explosion or whatever. But I still prefer not knowing anything about the reapers in the first place.

hat was the human reaper going to do? "fly" into the dark matter...oh I have the mental image now

[i/] a sad reprise of "leaving earth" plays as the Reapinator flys out towards the dark matter, arms outstretched skeletal jaw hanging open in a smile, shepard and anderson watch on..the reapinator enters the dark matter crying "HOPE! we still have hope!" there is a bring flash of light , a blue "explosion" sweeps through but harms no one..Anderson sheds a tear..he..he dies..for us shepard says "his sacrifice wont be forgotten..." [/i]

 

[pure.Wasted]

....yeah

how does one defeat "dark energy"?....like is it even a thing? the Idea isnt bad but you cant just run off and "defeat" somthing

like me saying I need to "defeat" sunshine or I need to "defeat" the black hole

And yet half of the civilized world got in an uproar over combating global warming.

If someone told me the universe was going to end a week from now, I know I wouldn't be able to do much, but I'd do what I could. Meaning send all my money to NASA and hope they can figure this out. If not, it doesn't really matter, does it?

The Reapers don't need money. They need your genetic material. Whether this will definitely create a solution or not is still up in the air, but they seem advanced enough that... if some chemical reaction that would put a stop to this dark energy process is possible, they're the ones who are capable of figuring it out.

 

[Vault101]

[snip.

I know, it was probably poor wording (no offence to undeadsuitor) but a single human reaper "defeating the dark energy" doesnt make a whole lot of sense

 

[gbemery]

I know you guys don't want anymore Mass effect 3 threads, I know the horse no longer exists but instead has been sumoned and destroyed in every spiritual/physical way and that it is no longer a horse but a horse shaped black hole that is sucking everything in around it

But what now am I suppose to beat to a pulp with this stick?


captcha: hobby-horse

XD

 

[ResonanceSD]

Bull fucking shit. The indoctrination theory is just mental gymnastics in a vain attempt to see something that isn't there.

"I'm going to create a conspiracy theory to explain why the ending was shit rather than accept the fact that the devs got lazy and admitted to as much during the design of the conclusion".

Sounds like Biodrones alright.

 

[ResonanceSD]

EDIT: Double posted -_-'

 

[Vanitas likes Bubbles]

It's just a coincidence y'know. This is just for people that try so hard to admit that the ending was a failure. I've moved on from Mass Effect anyway, I've got back into my comfy Kingdom Hearts phase.

 

[Kestrel-6]

Bull fucking shit. The indoctrination theory is just mental gymnastics in a vain attempt to see something that isn't there.

1. Sound effects are sound effects.

2. Dreams are dreams. recurring nightmares are common.

3. Transitions are transitions. They are reused time and time again.

4. blurred eyesight is a common trope. Its atmosphere, a tactic to limit the draw on the computer.

5. The change in distance is just laziness.

6. a pre-determined armor at the beam is a time constraint. making different textures for the same armor is easy. Making it for the very end sequence would serve no purpose. It would be easier to say the paint was burned off. Even the GUNS are different in cutscenes. The dead bodies are a design oversight.

7. The bodies are there because the game itself explained they beamed the bodies up into the citadel. Not only that, but repeat models in piles are a common way to save time in development. Don't believe me? Look at the MANY piles of bodies in Left 4 dead 1 & 2. If valve cant make everything unique, then Bioware cant. You won't even notice it anyway.

Know what? I am going to stop right here. Its just fallacy after fallacy.

I mean really. Is it not sad enough that the ending of ME3 was bad? Must we pull conspiracy theories out of our collective asses so we may delude ourselves that it was something brooding and deep?

Must we be in denial?

Bioware dropped the literary ball on its series's defining moment. That's all there is to it. Now can we please move on?

Maybe you're indoctrinated...

 

[Vault101]

Bull fucking shit. The indoctrination theory is just mental gymnastics in a vain attempt to see something that isn't there.

"I'm going to create a conspiracy theory to explain why the ending was shit rather than accept the fact that the devs got lazy and admitted to as much during the design of the conclusion".

Sounds like Biodrones alright.

"I can be angry about the whole thing or I could just wait and see what bioware comes up with and in the mean time amuse amuself with this theory"

theres a high possibility it was a screw up at the end due to cuts and lack of time

but the theory is still interesting and has some merit, whats the harm anyway? fucking haters seem to want to rain on everyone parade

 

[ResonanceSD]

Bull fucking shit. The indoctrination theory is just mental gymnastics in a vain attempt to see something that isn't there.

"I'm going to create a conspiracy theory to explain why the ending was shit rather than accept the fact that the devs got lazy and admitted to as much during the design of the conclusion".

Sounds like Biodrones alright.

"I can be angry about the whole thing or I could just wait and see what bioware comes up with and in the mean time amuse amuself with this theory"

theres a high possibility it was a screw up at the end due to cuts and lack of time

but the theory is still interesting and has some merit, whats the harm anyway? fucking haters seem to want to rain on everyone parade

Or you could just recognise it for what it actually is, EA screwing up yet another franchise (learn what pattern recognition is and how to use it), forget it and move on. It's not the first studio EA has killed with crap, it won't be the last. Get over it.

Alternatively, imagine the CEO of EA's voice emanating from the head of Bioware with ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL.

 

[Forgetitnow344]

I've said this in every IT thread(I will look at this video tomorrow) but it really smacks of FF VIII Dream Theory trying to make sense of the plot post disc 2. Many things brought up could easily just have been bad writing, hallmarks of the genre, constraints of the system or maybe it was something dropped at the end of development.

That is the only evidence I have seen come out of IT and it really hasn't done anything for me unlike Marauder Shields. Now I don't know if people here know of FF VIII's Dream Theory but to me they seem quite similar with their justifications which is why they fall short in my books.

Dream Theory was absurd. I was 10 when I played FF8 and the plot made plenty of sense to me then. It wasn't amazing or beautiful, but all the LEGOs physically fit together, and my immature tastes said, "Ok," and I enjoyed the game for what it was. I wasn't confused and I didn't call bullshit. Ultimecia compressed time and we fought her in this big ancient future castle and then after one of the most absurdly long boss fights in the JRPG genre, everything was dandy. I've never looked back on it and gone, "Now the story would get way better if-" No. It wouldn't. If the game had come right out and said, "Yes, Squall, you are dead," and worked it into a "logical" setting like saying his heart passion in his soul's purgatory or whatever helped to defeat Edea from beyond the grave. I accepted that the power of friendship helped the SeeD exist in a state of compressed time, so I'm sure I'd be cool with it.

But Indoctrination Theory fixes problems. There are some aspects of the game that make absurdly little sense and there's no way anyone saw that and went, "oh the fans will love it!" It slipped through the cracks (somehow) and is a shoddy piece of writing and continuity, and believing in the Indoctrination Theory wraps everything up in a sensible package.

Do I actually think the IT is what Bioware had in mind? Absolutely not. They just fucked up. Does thinking that my Shepard survived indoctrination because I stayed true to the mission and didn't waver when faced with lies from the mouths of the very enemy make me feel better about it all? Hell yes.

 

[Vault101]

Or you could just recognise it for what it actually is, EA screwing up yet another franchise (learn what pattern recognition is and how to use it), forget it and move on. It's not the first studio EA has killed with crap, it won't be the last. Get over it.

Alternatively, imagine the CEO of EA's voice emanating from the head of Bioware with ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL.

WAHT exactally do I need to move on from? I have "moved on"

you know what Im doing? you know what alot of the other fans are doing? were having FUN..this shit right here over-analyzing..its facinating

the fact is the answer is coming, this isnt over, whats going to heppn? can Bioware slavage this mess? were they trolling all along? will it jsut create anotehr shit storm? who knows..but I can't wait to see what happens

In the meantime..I still like ME3, not even the ending changes that

EDIT: and you you knwo what your essentially saying? STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE!!

 

[GameMaNiAC]

I watched it and I still fully support indoctrination theory.

I'm not looking forward to the extended dlc to be perfectly honest,but it will be funny to see how they will dig their hole deeper with the explanations regarding the presumably unchanged ending.

I agree with this. And I also fully support the indoctrination theory. Things would make a lot more sense if they went with it. But they don't seem to be doing it, so this might be just one of those fan dreams that will never come true.

I don't care, though, the indoctrination is canon for my Shepard. After he resisted, he woke up and kicked some Reaper ass and everyone was cheering his name. Then he went to Rannoch and lived happily ever after with Tali. And had a beer with Garrus and Vega.

If you need a video longer than the ending itself to explain the ending, you have failed.

I don't get it. Why is it a failure, again? Because it's longer than the ending itself? What?

 

[Jitters Caffeine]

Fan theories are almost always great. The Indoctrination Theory is just a great example of what fans will go through and how deep they'll go to get the answers they want.