Mass Effect 3 Plot Holes (Explanation?)

[BreakfastMan]

I would like to point out the ending that the original writer of Mass Effect had planned. Remember that sun on halestrom? It was part of a dark energy crisis that was slowly building up over millions of years and would eventually destroy the milky way. The Reapers are trying to stop it, but they have failed to discover a way to. So they harvest the strongest races of the galaxy, pooling their combined intellect into trying to find a way to prevent the dark energy crisis. Because of Humanity's genetic diversity, the Human Reaper was the Reapers best hope for stopping the crisis, but you blew it up. The scene with the Catalyist was supposed to give you two choices once you had learned all of this.

A. Let the Reapers harvest Humanity and leave the fate of the galaxy in their hands

B. Destroy the Reapers and put your trust in the races of the Milky way and that they will be enough to stop the crisis.

...I have no idea why they binned this ending.

Because it was leaked.

So, basically, the crappy ending was not entirely Bioware's fault. It was also the fault of the ravenous fanbase. You know, I kind of like that idea...

 

[SajuukKhar]

You do realise that just implies the existence of yet another galactic entity we never heard of? Something that created the catalyst that created the reapers that-gods, I'm getting a migraine.

considering the catalyst is just a AI it was painfully obvious someone made it.

Do you not remember when the HL2 closed beta was leaked and they rewrote giant chunks of the story, including the ending, and completely changed game mechanics?

1. There was no "beta" for Half Life 2.
2. Someone hacked Valve and stole the source code for the old Half-Life 2
3. Valve changed some parts of the story, specifically the parts they felt kinda sucked anyways
4. The gameplay itself was exactly the same
5. they didn't change the ending because the ending parts were not in the leak, and none of the alternate ending parts mentioned in raising the bar were ever confirmed to have ever been made in the game.

 

[Sparrow]

There are far worse plot holes. The whole "well, mass relays blowing up would destroy everyone in the universe" thing still kind of gets me. Plus the whole fact that everyone is now stranded on earth. Go team!

According to Twitter, those holes have explanations now through the Extended Cut DLC so... wait and see, I guess. I still think the idea of releasing a game with an ending that makes no sense is stupid, but whatever. Can't complain if they're trying their best to fix it.

Indoctrination theory makes everyhting makes sense

without it...well if they are going to keep the ending at face value then I want somone from Bioware to actually explain it

none of this david lynch crap

Yeah, "IT WAS ALL A DREAM" really makes sense, especially when it's a giant handwave/middle finger to the audience.

it doesnt matter how incomprehensible it is...its ART and if you dont lovie/get it then your just a pleb....obviously

I would prefer if it was all a dream (getting hit by the beam and onwards)

hell in "destruction" you see shepard "waking up" on wht clearly isnt the citadel..how does anyone explain that?

and a whole bunch of other stuff

essentially Im saying indoctrination theory fixes everything

You realise you just said "the art I like is good, but the art you like is bad and you're stupid for liking it" right?

 

[Vault101]

snip?

it was a sarcastic/snide remark

I think when making somthing so nonsensical and incomprehensible..calling it "art" is not excuse

its a shitty ending...now matter how "brilliant" it is

 

[SajuukKhar]

There are far worse plot holes. The whole "well, mass relays blowing up would destroy everyone in the universe" thing still kind of gets me. Plus the whole fact that everyone is now stranded on earth. Go team!

the relays had their dark energy cores drained to make the pulse wave.

the difference is basically like the shell of an atom bomb breaking apart and an atom bomb blowing up.

 

[The_Blue_Rider]

What they should have done is have Shepard tell The Catalyst to F off then yell "WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK WE ARE"

And then have a giant robot appear out of nothing and just facepunch The reapers.

Also add in some "we will pierce through your methods and grab a hold of our own path" yelling in there.

because... no one has done that using the same plot..... right? /sarcasm

Bu-but that would have been a far superior ending

THROW LOGIC TO THE CURB AND DO THE IMPOSSIBLE, THATS HOW TEAM DAI GURREN SHEPARD ROLLS!! JUST WHO THE HELL DO THINK WE ARE??!

*ahem*
Every game should have an alternate Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann ending

I would like to point out the ending that the original writer of Mass Effect had planned. Remember that sun on halestrom? It was part of a dark energy crisis that was slowly building up over millions of years and would eventually destroy the milky way. The Reapers are trying to stop it, but they have failed to discover a way to. So they harvest the strongest races of the galaxy, pooling their combined intellect into trying to find a way to prevent the dark energy crisis. Because of Humanity's genetic diversity, the Human Reaper was the Reapers best hope for stopping the crisis, but you blew it up. The scene with the Catalyist was supposed to give you two choices once you had learned all of this.

A. Let the Reapers harvest Humanity and leave the fate of the galaxy in their hands

B. Destroy the Reapers and put your trust in the races of the Milky way and that they will be enough to stop the crisis.

...I have no idea why they binned this ending.

Why? Why would they get rid of that? That ending is actually fucking cool D:

I honestly wish they just went with the Reapers being destroyed in every ending (Apart from super low galactic readiness ones of course). Then just have an epilogue or something showing how Shepards decisions and interactions with the various species ended up. Did the Krogan wage war against the Citadel races again? Did the Rachni integrate peacefully into galactic society? Did the Turians manage to get those sticks out of their collective asses?

 

[Vault101]

going from Biowares FAQ on the matter nothings going to get resolved..really

all we can expect are a few "non voiced" cutscenes, or mabye some text

even if ti is text..it wont be the same..I remember when I finished ME2 for the 4th time I still couldnt keep from smiling...like FUCK YEAH! not here though

and why does a bleak ending make it more "artsy" ? a happyer ending (but still at a great cost) would have suited the ME universe just fine

 

[Rancid0ffspring]

The biggest thing for me, was the idea that there was a AI on board the Citadel which was responsible for creating the Reapers. That fact alone was okay, but it contradicted virtually the entire premise of ME1. If you recall, Saren needed to find the conduit to find a way onto the Citadel. This was to activate the Citadel as it could function as a gigantic Mass Relay and all of the Reapers would come pouring out, taking out the seat of galactic power. This was normally accomplished by sending a signal to the Keepers, but the Protheans in the previous cycle prevented this from happening.

So why couldn't this ancient AI do it? Was it utterly cut off from the systems? That sounds unlikely.

It may sound retarded, but I was looking at it VERY loosely similar to Neo from the Matrix.

They have all of these safe guards in place, but are fully aware that it is possible to overcome them. Organics have always had the option to end the cycle but need to overcome all of the things preventing them from doing so.

P.S. I've just finished a 12 hour shift, I'm knackered & having trouble forming sentences. Please forgive my shoddy interpretation of what makes a lot more sense in my head.

 

[SajuukKhar]

going from Biowares FAQ on the matter nothings going to get resolved..really

all we can expect are a few "non voiced" cutscenes, or mabye some text

even if ti is text..it wont be the same..I remember when I finished ME2 for the 4th time I still couldnt keep from smiling...like FUCK YEAH! not here though

and why does a bleak ending make it more "artsy" ? a happyer ending (but still at a great cost) would have suited the ME universe just fine

It was confirmed there is a playable section and new voice work.

 

[The Forces of Chaos]

The biggest plothole in the starchild's reasoning for me is that he himself is an AI. A synthethic. Fuck that guy seriously.

This is why the Emperor of Mankind Banned AI. Even more proof that it caused the Age of Strife.

 

[SajuukKhar]

This is why the Emperor of Mankind Banned AI.

I find it ironic he also stated he didn't want to be worshiped as a god yet the entire empire is now one giant religion to him.

 

[Darth Rahu]

If you notice the AI did not appear until the Crucible was connected to the Citadel, aka the Catalyst, which says that the AI was a joint creation of the Crucible and the Citadel. It didn't interfere with the events of Mass Effect 1 because it wasn't there to begin with. Also, the Crucible being made in the first place is meant to be a big effing deal, so the idea that the Cycle might finally end was arguably a failsafe in the Starchild's banks, hence the ability to guide the use of the Catalyst into the final choice. As for the organice versus synthetic thing, yeah that was a load of crap that I can't really buy into. As for why there could be no police state, Reapers thrive off of organic life. It's like farming crops to them, crops that can fight back and potentially kill one of you if you're not careful but crops nonetheless. Also, do you really think that kind of peace would last for very long? No one keeps baby in a cage, least of all humanity.

 

[The Forces of Chaos]

This is why the Emperor of Mankind Banned AI.

I find it ironic he also stated he didn't want to be worshiped as a god yet the entire empire is now one giant religion to him.

The worbearers think that he may have feared the very real Chaos Gods. He did after all cheat them.

 

[Vault101]

snip.

links?

Im taking a very cynical aproach here (not my usual style) to avoid even more dissapointment

I mean I dont dont want to be the angry fan that declares they wont be buying anymore of their games or angryly rages on message boards, I really did like ME3

 

[BreakfastMan]

going from Biowares FAQ on the matter nothings going to get resolved..really

all we can expect are a few "non voiced" cutscenes, or mabye some text

even if ti is text..it wont be the same..I remember when I finished ME2 for the 4th time I still couldnt keep from smiling...like FUCK YEAH! not here though

and why does a bleak ending make it more "artsy" ? a happyer ending (but still at a great cost) would have suited the ME universe just fine

It was confirmed there is a playable section and new voice work.

Source? It sounds cool and all, but I want to know where you are getting this info from.

 

[SajuukKhar]

snip.

links?

Im taking a very cynical aproach here (not my usual style) to avoid even more dissapointment

I mean I dont dont want to be the angry fan that declares they wont be buying anymore of their games or angryly rages on message boards, I really did like ME3

http://social.bioware.com/forums/forum/1/topic/355/index/11064799/1

JessicaMerizan:


[2012/04/05][17:32:47]

[Translate]: @MrBlazenGlazen yes but with some sacrifices depending on the end you chose. Ending is never perfect but Shep/crew reunited is possible Also, it seems like the new endings may hint that the relays will be rebuilt.
http://i.imgur.com/jIbVP.png

Also, new playable content!
http://i.imgur.com/3Ufyr.png

the relay system coming back is an apparent possbility

 

[Infernai]

THROW LOGIC TO THE CURB AND DO THE IMPOSSIBLE, THATS HOW TEAM DAI GURREN SHEPARD ROLLS!! JUST WHO THE HELL DO THINK WE ARE??!

*ahem*
Every game should have an alternate Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann ending

...*sigh* Goddamnit Blue.

Shepard: Don't Under-estimate us! My crew have stared down megalomaniacs through to suicide missions! So screw you're methods! We're making our own!
*cue super mega awesome scene of every war asset massing together from all the races as they surround harbinger as Shepard stands atop the normandy in a space-suit*
Tali: Even if we're trapped by the will of the universe
Liara: The dreams we leave behind will never fade!
Garrus: So Even if the odds are stacked against us..
Wrex: We'll rip them to shreds and then move on to you!
Shepard: We'll break down the paths you've set before us
Every single living crew-member across all three mass effect games including all major characters: And make our own!
Shepard: You've got a whole universe standing against you, so ask yourself this...
Every single person in the fleet plus shepard: WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK WE ARE!?
*Cue Shepard with the aiming laser that he used back on Rannok aiming it at Harbinger and directing every single races ships fire while ground forces aim defensive lasers and fire as well*
The End.

I am sorry about that above insanity but..that's a Gurren Lagann style ending to this game. To further add to the mood play the song in this video from about 2:45 onwards while reading: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAlztMvvNkk

 

[Vault101]

snip.

links?

Im taking a very cynical aproach here (not my usual style) to avoid even more dissapointment

I mean I dont dont want to be the angry fan that declares they wont be buying anymore of their games or angryly rages on message boards, I really did like ME3

http://social.bioware.com/forums/forum/1/topic/355/index/11064799/1

JessicaMerizan:


[2012/04/05][17:32:47]

[Translate]: @MrBlazenGlazen yes but with some sacrifices depending on the end you chose. Ending is never perfect but Shep/crew reunited is possible Also, it seems like the new endings may hint that the relays will be rebuilt.
http://i.imgur.com/jIbVP.png

Also, new playable content!
http://i.imgur.com/3Ufyr.png

the relay system coming back is an apparent possbility

thanks....

rebuilding mass relays implys the ending is to be taken at face value (calls into question indoctrination theory)

while it doesnt have me jumping for joy its somthing.........at least

 

[SajuukKhar]

...*sigh* Goddamnit Blue.

Shepard: Don't Under-estimate us! My crew have stared down megalomaniacs through to suicide missions! So screw you're methods! We're making our own!
*cue super mega awesome scene of every war asset massing together from all the races as they surround harbinger as Shepard stands atop the normandy in a space-suit*
Tali: Even if we're trapped by the will of the universe
Liara: The dreams we leave behind will never fade!
Garrus: So Even if the odds are stacked against us..
Wrex: We'll rip them to shreds and then move on to you!
Shepard: We'll break down the paths you've set before us
Every single living crew-member across all three mass effect games including all major characters: And make our own!
Shepard: You've got a whole universe standing against you, so ask yourself this...
Every single person in the fleet plus shepard: WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK WE ARE!?
*Cue Shepard with the aiming laser that he used back on Rannok aiming it at Harbinger and directing every single races ships fire while ground forces aim defensive lasers and fire as well*
The End.

I am sorry about that above insanity but..that's a Gurren Lagann style ending to this game. To further add to the mood play the song in this video from about 2:45 onwards while reading: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAlztMvvNkk

Do the impossible, see the invisible
ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWAH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVAsupiz1X8&feature=related
though this is probably a better song to use IMO.

<---hurries off to watch the Lagann-Hen movie again
Gods damn you Gainax, can you ever make something not epic?