Mass Effect 3 will be incomplete

[Redryhno]

We don't know what role the DLC character plays. How do you know he is a "vital part of the lore" any more than, say, Kasumi? All the guy in the video says is, "He's a fucking Prothean!" Because that's all he knows about it.

true, it is mostly speculation. but given the significance of that race to the story of the game and its lore, it seems like it would likely be a really important character and could provide a lot of answers. game companies have done shit like this before, like final fantasy 13-2 making one of the endings of the game, dlc

Yeah, but after ME2, the Protheans were no longer really that important to the story beyond being the Collectors and since you either blew up their station or killed everything in it, I doubt ONE Prothean is going to dramatically alter the story. It'll probably be more like any character you pick up from DLC, like Shale or Kasumi, fun, colorful, and not very important to anything beyond adding a few lines of dialogue in an otherwise silent point.

 

[Baron von Blitztank]

Curious into knowing how a Prothean character can exist seeing as they have been made extinct, twice. But Kasumi and Zaeed were added in later on with ME2 and I don't feel particularly bothered about not having them on my team. Garrus, Tali, Legion, Wrex, Grunt, Mordin, Thane Kaiden and Joker, That's all I need on my crew! (Unless there is a recruitable Elcor added in Mass Effect 3).
His origins will be interesting but that's probably it so... Thank God for Youtube.

 

[Tony2077]

ITT: Anti-anti-Bioware backlash.

It's positively beautiful.

As others have said, the content was developed well after ME3 went gold. So it's not "incomplete".

No it wasn't. game just went gold feburary 13th. Prothean character dlc revealed feburary 8th.

Fight on proud keyboard warrior. How dare people try to sell you things you're entitled to because of reasons.

Those reasons being I bought the game. I want it 100% not 98.

You get 100%

If you want 101% then buy the DLC.

Simples.

Sure, some cosmetics that are just the artist team playing around are additional.
Things like squademates and missions aren't something you can create in 2 weeks. The gold period was a week ago;

1.One of my most poignant points is the fact that all of this is during the inital development cycle. As in, the same budget. Let's say I grant you the point that these are additions, these are 'additions' that use the original budget. They aren't adding extra money to develop these 'additions'. yet they are charging you more for it. Does that make sense to you? An additional product that is costing the company nothing. If there is time to develop something during the first cycle then the budget had enough room for it. Ergo, there is no 'additional cost'

2. What seems more likely to you? That a company whos number one priority is to profit, would develop extra content for the consumer that would generate no extra profit. OR that they'd mince up some of the product and charge you extra for it.

Are you on the development team? Have you ever been on any development team? If your answer to either is "no" then you have no basis for what you say other than speculation. Your "poignant" points that you've now copied and pasted for the second or third time are also pure speculation. You keep saying that the DLC was created in the original timeframe with the original budget. How do you know?

I already gave you proof over on the other thread.

i gave you proof you were wrong so can we stop this circle

 

[rokema]

Being a squadmate, the Prothean will affect the story and gameplay of the player.
Even if he is a small part of the story and doesn't really have a huge impact doesn't mean he isn't important. Like Tom bombadil in LOTR, he didn't do shit but the book wouldn't be the same without him.

 

[Aprilgold]

We don't know what role the DLC character plays. How do you know he is a "vital part of the lore" any more than, say, Kasumi? All the guy in the video says is, "He's a fucking Prothean!" Because that's all he knows about it.

true, it is mostly speculation. but given the significance of that race to the story of the game and its lore, it seems like it would likely be a really important character and could provide a lot of answers. game companies have done shit like this before, like final fantasy 13-2 making one of the endings of the game, dlc

No, it's all speculation.

Why anyone would throw these childish online tantrums over purely speculative matters is a mystery to me.

Fucking gamers, man. Most entitled pack of whiners I've ever had the misfortune to encounter.

Mate, its like making Princess Peach a freaking DLC. She is a pivotal plot point to keep the player moving and to start each game by getting kidnapped. The Protheans make the character imporant in the universe, and serve as a setting stone. I can also guess that if it isn't anything but a big DLC then people will ***** about such a wasted opportunity. Its taking Dev time away from the main product for something to be shipped out afterwards, so the game will not have as high of a polish then it would if they didn't do this.

Also, just going to say it, that last statement makes you look like a tosser, but hay, I'm just a whiner, so why does what I say matters.

I think it just a smartly engineered plot to get people to buy the Collector's Edition so they can see this big improvement / big disappointment. I agree with Total Biscuit on this, its very much trying to milk the player base to the most obvious and highest extent. Grab all the money you can, its the end of the series as we know it.

 

[anthony87]

ITT: Anti-anti-Bioware backlash.

It's positively beautiful.

As others have said, the content was developed well after ME3 went gold. So it's not "incomplete".

No it wasn't. game just went gold feburary 13th. Prothean character dlc revealed feburary 8th.

Fight on proud keyboard warrior. How dare people try to sell you things you're entitled to because of reasons.

Those reasons being I bought the game. I want it 100% not 98.

You get 100%

If you want 101% then buy the DLC.

Simples.

Sure, some cosmetics that are just the artist team playing around are additional.
Things like squademates and missions aren't something you can create in 2 weeks. The gold period was a week ago;

1.One of my most poignant points is the fact that all of this is during the inital development cycle. As in, the same budget. Let's say I grant you the point that these are additions, these are 'additions' that use the original budget. They aren't adding extra money to develop these 'additions'. yet they are charging you more for it. Does that make sense to you? An additional product that is costing the company nothing. If there is time to develop something during the first cycle then the budget had enough room for it. Ergo, there is no 'additional cost'

2. What seems more likely to you? That a company whos number one priority is to profit, would develop extra content for the consumer that would generate no extra profit. OR that they'd mince up some of the product and charge you extra for it.

Are you on the development team? Have you ever been on any development team? If your answer to either is "no" then you have no basis for what you say other than speculation. Your "poignant" points that you've now copied and pasted for the second or third time are also pure speculation. You keep saying that the DLC was created in the original timeframe with the original budget. How do you know?

I already gave you proof over on the other thread.

Care to post it here too? I'd rather not have to jump between multiple threads just to tell you that you're over-reacting to something that won't affect the overall game by you not having it.

 

[Something Amyss]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri0vrJ-y2zM&feature=g-u-u&context=G2d57caeFUAAAAAAAAAA

I think the BEST part about this thread is that you're not only posting a topic that's been done like 50 times, but you're posting the same video that pretty much everyone else has posted.

That out of the way, I'm going to let my buddy Zhukov sum this up.

We don't know what role the DLC character plays. How do you know he is a "vital part of the lore" any more than, say, Kasumi? All the angry guy in your absurdly long video says is, "He's a fucking Prothean!" Because that's all he knows about it.

Thank you.

 

[Yopaz]

EA wants to earn money from their games? Oh my god. Stop the fucking presses! This has got to be on the front page!

Seriously guys. Stop your fucking whining about day 1 DLC. It's here and things wont change. You know you aren't going to boycott the game, you are just going to give gamers a bad reputation why being a whining dick until you play the game and forget all about why you hated it. You say they cut out a vital chunk of story, but you don't know that for sure. It's something you made up.

 

[Mikeyfell]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri0vrJ-y2zM&feature=g-u-u&context=G2d57caeFUAAAAAAAAAA

basically, an extremely vital part of the mass effect lore and story has been cut out and will be sold as dlc on launch day. it will be free if you have the collectors edition but everyone else will have to pay $10 for it. now im all for giving people a reason to buy a game new but this does the exact opposite. i have no reason to buy the game new anymore because just to get the complete story i will have to buy the dlc anyway. it just strikes me as a big "fuck you" to the fans. bravo, EA, bravo.

So?
Wait until there's a used copy then buy that.
I don't see the problem.
You still get to play the game, and say Fuck EA at the same time. Everybody wins, except EA which is the point.


This is just my mentality but it might help somebody out. Think of buying a new game as paying for the privilege of playing it sooner.
Getting free stuff with a new copy just adds incentive, and if they take that away, and you still don't think it's worth full price, just wait.

 

[lacktheknack]

1. I didn't "change my definitions", I operated under the assumption that "Going Gold" means "completed". As stands, it happened "during certification" also happens to mean "completed". The burden of evidence is on you to prove the game wasn't completed and submitted before the DLC had significant progress completed. Because like it or not, Bioware is the only witness.

Feburary 13th "officially" gold.
https://twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/statuses/168934352154136576

Drop this. You clearly don't give a damn about anything I say.

2. Your relation to Bioware consists of >9000 threads about how much they suck.

Also, I DO NOT have the customers' "best interests" in mind. I work as a cashier, and every time a customer feels that our pricing is unfair, and wish to barter for it, I wish to strangle them. This is basically a customer grabbing our premade Pepperoni Oven-Fresh Pizza, which costs $7, and seeing that our Pepperoni-and-Mushroom Oven-Fresh Pizza costs $8, demands that we add mushrooms to their selection for no extra charge. And then when the A La Carte staff just shake their heads, they come and yell at ME about it. This has happened, and our manager essentially told them to screw off.

This thread is full of those people, except they're much more vocal. Sorry, I can't support you guys while you resemble the people I wish would sod off under a rock and die.

you mislable our argument then if you think we want extra mushrooms. We want the pepperoni advertised on on the blasted box. Is the regular edition the full game or not?

The prothean is mushrooms. Bioware claims this (you know, the people who MADE IT), and it makes sense. The pepperoni is the whole "Fight the Reapers" thing that the blasted series is about. The series was about the protheans for about an hour in the first game, and then Shepherd interacted with the beacon and then the focus completely changed. The importance of the protheans was immensely reduced at the end of game one anyways.

The game can be completed satisfactorily without a prothean squadmate. I'd understand the outrage if they removed the final fight of the main game and charged for it, but that quite frankly isn't the case by any measure.

So yes, the regular edition is the full game.

End of.

 

[Tony2077]

ITT: Anti-anti-Bioware backlash.

It's positively beautiful.

As others have said, the content was developed well after ME3 went gold. So it's not "incomplete".

No it wasn't. game just went gold feburary 13th. Prothean character dlc revealed feburary 8th.

Fight on proud keyboard warrior. How dare people try to sell you things you're entitled to because of reasons.

Those reasons being I bought the game. I want it 100% not 98.

You get 100%

If you want 101% then buy the DLC.

Simples.

Sure, some cosmetics that are just the artist team playing around are additional.
Things like squademates and missions aren't something you can create in 2 weeks. The gold period was a week ago;

1.One of my most poignant points is the fact that all of this is during the inital development cycle. As in, the same budget. Let's say I grant you the point that these are additions, these are 'additions' that use the original budget. They aren't adding extra money to develop these 'additions'. yet they are charging you more for it. Does that make sense to you? An additional product that is costing the company nothing. If there is time to develop something during the first cycle then the budget had enough room for it. Ergo, there is no 'additional cost'

2. What seems more likely to you? That a company whos number one priority is to profit, would develop extra content for the consumer that would generate no extra profit. OR that they'd mince up some of the product and charge you extra for it.

Are you on the development team? Have you ever been on any development team? If your answer to either is "no" then you have no basis for what you say other than speculation. Your "poignant" points that you've now copied and pasted for the second or third time are also pure speculation. You keep saying that the DLC was created in the original timeframe with the original budget. How do you know?

I already gave you proof over on the other thread.

i gave you proof you were wrong so can we stop this circle

No you did not. "content ready" is NOT GOLD. stop PRETENDING IT IS.

at least you understand that much so why are you still acting like it is. the content was finished before the gold thing was announced so stop this already your not really helping your case by moving it to a different thread

 

[lacktheknack]

Being a squadmate, the Prothean will affect the story and gameplay of the player.
Even if he is a small part of the story and doesn't really have a huge impact doesn't mean he isn't important. Like Tom bombadil in LOTR, he didn't do shit but the book wouldn't be the same without him.

But they made a perfectly satisfying version without him (the movie). Sure, it's not the same, but I doubt people felt outright ripped off by him not being in the movie.

 

[lacktheknack]

No you did not. "content ready" is NOT GOLD. stop PRETENDING IT IS.

... Content ready is all that I care about.

 

[ChildishLegacy]

Mate, its like making Princess Peach a freaking DLC. She is a pivotal plot point to keep the player moving and to start each game by getting kidnapped.

Oh so you've played ME3 all the way through and know that this DLC character is key to the plot of the whole game?