Mass Effect 3 will be incomplete

[Aprilgold]

Its a living prothean, which have been said to be extinct. "OK everyone, were going to beam down to the planet, me and the prothean are going to hang" once on planet "HOLY SHIT ITS A PROTHEAN, EVERYONE ALERT THE MEDIA, THESE DUDES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DEAD AS SHIT SON!" But on a much larger scale. Hell, even Shephard would be like "OMFG ITS A PROTHEAN!" since its basically his whole reason for being important.

Within the context on the story, its impossible for them to play this off as a low-key character when he is part of a extinct race that is heavily important to the lore.

You forget that Mass Effect 3 is a thirty-hour game.

Even if the Prothean held the secrets to utopia and turned out to be the biggest deal ever, it wouldn't happen until after Mass Effect 3 (and by extension, the series) is over. And the whole debacle is based entirely around how this effects Mass Effect 3.

I just don't thinks there any way to downplay his existence near Shephard if he is part of their crew or on their ship without the media going "OH SHIT SON!" Its such a big plot point of the series, that if it isn't played up on right then it will look cheap and tacky on EA's side.

Sad that so many gamers are just going to roll over for EA. EA games are just going to evolve into more of this shit, and "DLC the game" will become reality, mark my word fools!

Oh just give it a rest, people are just getting pathetic about this absolute non-issue.

For one thing, if the DLC/CE is a flop compared to the normal game's sales, they probably wont do it again no matter how many people buy the normal edition, me buying the standard edition will not fuel their satanic, apocalyptic blood omen of a DLC that everybody seems to think it is.

It will because the publisher does receive a hefty amount of the profits, infact, all of it. The Dev's get payed regular salaries and then a little extra if the game goes well. This is all a debacle about making money, just plain cut, dry and simple. And if it does well, they push more and more until they can't do it anymore.

 

[lacktheknack]

Being a squadmate, the Prothean will affect the story and gameplay of the player.
Even if he is a small part of the story and doesn't really have a huge impact doesn't mean he isn't important. Like Tom bombadil in LOTR, he didn't do shit but the book wouldn't be the same without him.

But they made a perfectly satisfying version without him (the movie). Sure, it's not the same, but I doubt people felt outright ripped off by him not being in the movie.

What if there was a version with tom bombadil in the movie but you had to pay an extra 10 bucks to see it?

Considering that the game is $60 while a movie ticket is about $12, you mean pay an extra two dollars for it.

And I wouldn't, but I know a few people who would. Good for us. We'll both like what we get.

 

[lacktheknack]

Its a living prothean, which have been said to be extinct. "OK everyone, were going to beam down to the planet, me and the prothean are going to hang" once on planet "HOLY SHIT ITS A PROTHEAN, EVERYONE ALERT THE MEDIA, THESE DUDES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DEAD AS SHIT SON!" But on a much larger scale. Hell, even Shephard would be like "OMFG ITS A PROTHEAN!" since its basically his whole reason for being important.

Within the context on the story, its impossible for them to play this off as a low-key character when he is part of a extinct race that is heavily important to the lore.

You forget that Mass Effect 3 is a thirty-hour game.

Even if the Prothean held the secrets to utopia and turned out to be the biggest deal ever, it wouldn't happen until after Mass Effect 3 (and by extension, the series) is over. And the whole debacle is based entirely around how this effects Mass Effect 3.

I just don't thinks there any way to downplay his existence near Shephard if he is part of their crew or on their ship without the media going "OH SHIT SON!" Its such a big plot point of the series, that if it isn't played up on right then it will look cheap and tacky on EA's side.

Well, I'm hearing that he exists in the game anyways, the DLC just makes him a squad member.

That kind of fixes everything, doesn't it?

 

[anthony87]

Being a squadmate, the Prothean will affect the story and gameplay of the player.
Even if he is a small part of the story and doesn't really have a huge impact doesn't mean he isn't important. Like Tom bombadil in LOTR, he didn't do shit but the book wouldn't be the same without him.

But they made a perfectly satisfying version without him (the movie). Sure, it's not the same, but I doubt people felt outright ripped off by him not being in the movie.

What if there was a version with tom bombadil in the movie but you had to pay an extra 10 bucks to see it?

Oh you mean like say....a Directors Cut version?

 

[Aprilgold]

Well, I'm hearing that he exists in the game anyways, the DLC just makes him a squad member.

That kind of fixes everything, doesn't it?

Depends if he can go on landing parties and what other squad members have to say about him being there. You get what I'm getting at, don't you? There is no way to downplay him unless everyone drops intelligence while he's around.

 

[anthony87]

Its a living prothean, which have been said to be extinct. "OK everyone, were going to beam down to the planet, me and the prothean are going to hang" once on planet "HOLY SHIT ITS A PROTHEAN, EVERYONE ALERT THE MEDIA, THESE DUDES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DEAD AS SHIT SON!" But on a much larger scale. Hell, even Shephard would be like "OMFG ITS A PROTHEAN!" since its basically his whole reason for being important.

Within the context on the story, its impossible for them to play this off as a low-key character when he is part of a extinct race that is heavily important to the lore.

You forget that Mass Effect 3 is a thirty-hour game.

Even if the Prothean held the secrets to utopia and turned out to be the biggest deal ever, it wouldn't happen until after Mass Effect 3 (and by extension, the series) is over. And the whole debacle is based entirely around how this effects Mass Effect 3.

I just don't thinks there any way to downplay his existence near Shephard if he is part of their crew or on their ship without the media going "OH SHIT SON!" Its such a big plot point of the series, that if it isn't played up on right then it will look cheap and tacky on EA's side.

Well, I'm hearing that he exists in the game anyways, the DLC just makes him a squad member.

That kind of fixes everything, doesn't it?

See this is what I thought too. From what I've heard it sounds comparable to Liara with the Shadow Broker DLC. She's in the game anyway and interacts with Sheppard. DLC adds her as a squadmate and gives a new mission. Main story isn't affected at all.

 

[Setrus]

This thread again?

Well basically to sum up why Bioware is NOT scamming you1

1. the character is still in the game
2. the Dlc only makes him recruitable
3. the dlc is not needed to get the full story or best ending.

...I like you.

 

[Tony2077]

Its a living prothean, which have been said to be extinct. "OK everyone, were going to beam down to the planet, me and the prothean are going to hang" once on planet "HOLY SHIT ITS A PROTHEAN, EVERYONE ALERT THE MEDIA, THESE DUDES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DEAD AS SHIT SON!" But on a much larger scale. Hell, even Shephard would be like "OMFG ITS A PROTHEAN!" since its basically his whole reason for being important.

Within the context on the story, its impossible for them to play this off as a low-key character when he is part of a extinct race that is heavily important to the lore.

You forget that Mass Effect 3 is a thirty-hour game.

Even if the Prothean held the secrets to utopia and turned out to be the biggest deal ever, it wouldn't happen until after Mass Effect 3 (and by extension, the series) is over. And the whole debacle is based entirely around how this effects Mass Effect 3.

I just don't thinks there any way to downplay his existence near Shephard if he is part of their crew or on their ship without the media going "OH SHIT SON!" Its such a big plot point of the series, that if it isn't played up on right then it will look cheap and tacky on EA's side.

Well, I'm hearing that he exists in the game anyways, the DLC just makes him a squad member.

That kind of fixes everything, doesn't it?

See this is what I thought too. From what I've heard it sounds comparable to Liara with the Shadow Broker DLC. She's in the game anyway and interacts with Sheppard. DLC adds her as a squadmate and gives a new mission. Main story isn't affected at all.

its like that but i think he becomes a selectable squad member unlike Liara in me2

 

[RJ 17]

In reverse order: "Integral" as in if you removed them from the game, it would be drastically different. That will likely not be the case here. As I mentioned, you'll miss out on a sidequest or two and a bit more lore, beyond that the game will be exactly the same regardless of if this character is on your squad or not.

what do you mean by "drastically" different? So if it's only slightly different its okay? I'm trying to understand where you stand here. What content to you consider necessary for Mass Effect 3.

As for the second issue, Zaeed didn't come with the game, he came with Cerberus Network, which was only free if you bought the game new...and I seem to recall they even stopped giving out the Cerberus Network with game sales a few months after release, could be wrong on that part. So he was not free with any purchase as if you bought the game used you'd have to buy Cerberus Network to get him.

you are wrong here. Zaeed is free with any new purchase of the game. that to me is a big difference. Trying to give people incentives to buy the game and forcing them to pay 10 for the complete game.

The game is full. The game is complete. You just seem to be another EA hater (not that you're not justified in hating them) that feels like flipping out over every announcement as though EA personally came to your house and murdered your hamster. So yeah, if missing out on one sidequest that will ultimately not have a greater impact on the story as a whole (this being based off of previous Bioware DLC characters) means the game is "incomplete", then don't buy the game. It's that simple.

It's not complete if certain missions and characters are being removed for special content. "complete" means 100% not 99% not 99.5%. 100 percent.

Quite frankly I think the reason people are getting so upset about this isn't because EA is "dicing up the game and selling it to us in pieces", but rather the simple fact that the bonus character for buying the Collect's Edition is a Prothean. If it was another human merc like Zaeed, I doubt everyone would be up in arms about this. Personally I'm actually rather happy that they're doing this.

It goes back to my previous post and the quote from myself that I pulled from another one of these topics:

You can speculate all you want. the other difference between Zaeed and the prothean is one was free with purchase the other costs 10 freaking bucks.

So you can look at it as them wanting to milk more money from the game by having people buy the collector's edition or pay to download the character. Or you can look at it as them rewarding the fans that are loyal enough to be interested in all the other stuff that comes with the collector's edition by adding a free character to that pile of extra stuff

Oh yes, we can spin it in the way thats postive! sorry, I'm going to stick with reality here. This is what is happening the game is not full and they are taking out missions and characters just so some idiots buy n7 collectors edition for no reason. if you guys really were "loyal". You wouldn't need "extra content" now would you?

Change your perspective and it's actually a rather gracious move: rather than making this character exclusive for those people who shell out for the Collector's Edition, they're actually offering it to the general public as well. He's one of the many free bonuses that come with the CE, and that's perfectly fine. As I'm NOT getting the CE, I'm glad that I at least have the option to pick up this character if I so desire rather than it being "Nope, screw you for not buying the CE. No Prothean for you!"

OH OH OH I GET IT! I have to spin this in a way that its acceptable to do shady business tactics. I am not suspending logic just so you guys feel better about supporting such unethical tactics. shame on you.

To points 1-4: Yeah, Zaeed was free with NEW purchases which came with the Cerberus Network code. If you bought the game used, you had to pay $10. Were you crying about that fact? Wait...actually you probably were, so nevermind.

As for the rest, the "what do you mean by drastically changed" or "the game isn't complete" yes it is. Here's the point: remove Zaeed and/or Kasumi from ME 2. What happens to the story due to their absence? Are any relationships changed? Any plotpoints? How is the story affected by their absence? The answer: it's not. You still work for Cerberus. Joker's still your pilot. Illusive Man still leads you around by the nose. Collectors are still the badguys. Suicide Mission is still the end, and you're still only given 2 choices as far as what to do with the Collector base. Now that Cerberus Network is officially offline, I've come to notice that Zaeed isn't even in the game anymore (because he's part of the network, not his own package). And from the playthrough I just completed I can tell you for certain: the game is not different for lack of Zaeed.

Just like the game will not be different for lack of the Prothean party member.

As for your final two points, now you're officially just stretching to keep your side of the argument going. What I said was perfectly logical and valid: a character that is free if you buy the CE version of the game is made available to for a fee...there's nothing wrong with that. By your logic, this situation would be perfectly fine if the Prothean was exclusively for people who buy the CE. Then every else wouldn't have to pay $10 for it and it would truly be an exclusive "Thanks for buying the CE version" bonus. It's not spin to say it's actually nice of them to offer something like that to people who buy the standard version, it's fact.

As for your gripes about the CE in general, those are rather baseless as well. People aren't buying the CE just for the DLC that comes with it. They're buying it because they want ALL that crap. They want the Shepard statue, the soundtrack, the art book, they want it wall. Why? Because they're super fans. They're collectors. They want the game memorabilia. You - and many others - seem to think that they're selling all this extra stuff like action figures and art books just as an excuse to sell more DLC codes, that is just plain stupid. They're selling the action figures and what-not because people who like certain series have been known to want to buy collectible stuff from those series. The fact that they come with a DLC is bonus. In short: they're not selling DLC codes that come with an action figure or art book, they're selling art books and action figures that come with a DLC. Is it impossible to think that people actually want the ITEMS and that the DLC codes are just a bonus?

Is it impossible to think that people who buy the CE version want all the extra ME stuff that comes with it and that the DLC codes are just a bonus?

Or maybe you're just against the concept of in-game bonuses in general. Were you pissed off about the fact that only people who pre-ordered ME 2 got the Black Hole cannon? That was Day 1 DLC, shouldn't it have been in the standard game? Is ME 2 incomplete because not everyone got that gun? If you believe that to be the case, then what we have here is a simple difference of perspective...that or you're just being stubborn.

Fact: The Prothean member is a DLC bonus that comes with buying the CE version.
Fact: They could have made this character completely unavailable to anyone who didn't buy the CE version. Would that have made you happier? Or would you be complaining "OMG ONLY THE CE BUYERS GET A PROTHEAN SQUAD MEMBER!"

So which would you prefer? Only people with the CE getting exclusive content such as this? Because they could have easily done that and been well within the norm. By doing this, they're avoiding the outcry that would come from fans who'd be PISSED that only people with the CE get a Prothean.

But, going back to my original point: it isn't a big deal. The story will be 100% exactly the same - minus a sidequest or two for the new squadmate - regardless of whether or not you get the Prothean...just as ME 2 was the same whether or not you had Zaeed and/or Kasumi.

 

[rokema]

Being a squadmate, the Prothean will affect the story and gameplay of the player.
Even if he is a small part of the story and doesn't really have a huge impact doesn't mean he isn't important. Like Tom bombadil in LOTR, he didn't do shit but the book wouldn't be the same without him.

But they made a perfectly satisfying version without him (the movie). Sure, it's not the same, but I doubt people felt outright ripped off by him not being in the movie.

What if there was a version with tom bombadil in the movie but you had to pay an extra 10 bucks to see it?

Oh you mean like say....a Directors Cut version?

No such thing as Directors cuts in Video games, unless you're talking about animations or extra content that gets made AFTER the game is released and not during it's development.

 

[Tony2077]

Congratulations, that's your line. Sadly, it's not Bioware's line. If you can't stand this, then keep whining impotently or just don't buy.

sadly Bioware's line doesn't mean shit. We have game standards and shit. thats why "going gold" is a UNIVERSAL game term. So yeah, if Bioware decided that 2 hours counts as an RPG gaming experience, do you want to know how well that shit would fly in the market? Yeah. Not well to say the least.

And the Protheans were one of fifty billion other advanced races that got eaten. Hoorah? And yes, lore is important.

This is over. If lore is important then a squadmate that further develops the lore IS ALSO important. Do not try to jump around this issue.

I'll repeat, THE LORE IS UNAFFECTED BY THIS SQUADMATE.

Again? THE LORE IS UNAFFECTED BY THIS SQUADMATE.

WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT MEAN BRO?
"Unaffected"? Do you guys know how silly you look. THis is how ficial your position is

first it was "not vital" then it was "not significant" now its "unaffected". AHAHAHAHAHAHA your side is so fucking flimsy. I'm not even sure what you mean by 'unaffected'. Are you telling me that taking away lore doesn't effect the lore? huh?

Shall I say it again until you actually acknowledge things I say? THE LORE IS UNAFFECTED BY THIS SQUADMATE.

THE LORE IS UNAFFECTED BY THIS SQUADMATE.

REPEATING IT DOESNT MAKE IT TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!! IF THE SQUADEMATE INFLUENCES THE LORE BY ITS VERY DEFINITION IT AFFECTS IT. USE YOUR HEAD.

how exactly would the last Prothean alive, who cannot breed or repopulate the species, become integral to the lore of Mass Effect? Congrats, you found a Prothean. What use is he other than an exposition dump? The stuff he says can't become integral later on in the series, because the series is over. Any major effect he would have on the lore would happen AFTER Mass Effect 3 is over.

Let's not get into the leak. but do you honestly think the sole survivor of the reaper exctinction has nothing of value to add to the plot? I mean nothing at all? How do you think Shepard wins? could it be GASP the same way he won in me1 with help from the protheans. No, that can't fucking be it. Adding to lore also affects it by the way. Exposition in an RPG is also important.

You also say that "Content ready is not gold", followed immediately by "It's not content-ready if it's not gold". Contradiction!

THe only "contradiction' here is you guys; You guys are claiming content ready and gold are two different things. They aren't. It's either ready or its not.

Also, I'm not buying Mass Effect 3 for completely different reasons. If I was to buy it, it would be for completion of the Reapers Attack storyline, yes.

So then, story is important right? so a character that adds to the story is important. good job sir.

i repeat what he said it doesn't add anything other then there is one of them still alive unless he can pull a dues ex machina out of his ass i don't think he changes the lore or story

 

[SajuukKhar]

This thread again?

Well basically to sum up why Bioware is NOT scamming you1

1. the character is still in the game
2. the Dlc only makes him recruitable
3. the dlc is not needed to get the full story or best ending.

Where did you learn this?

Do you have a link?

Leaked script, read it.

 

[Aerosteam]

We have too many Mass Effect 3 threads on the forums of this website. Some are basically the same others. Like this one.

Indeed.
"Gaming Discussion" should be renamed "Mass Effect Discussion", wouldn't you agree?

For the moment, yes, certainly.

It's well known on this website that an ass-tonne of Skyrim threads were made here even before the game's launch. There should be a whole section of the forums called "Popular Game Discussion".

Also another section called "Recommendations" or something like that, too often I see a thread all about the OP asking questions like "I got a new console, recommend me some games" or "Want's a good anime I should get into". Some people fail to realize that the Internet already tells you these things, you don't need to make a thread on something you can't decide on or too lazy to search it yourself.

(Sorry, that was off-topic, but come on.)

 

[suitepee7]

Let me get this straight. Content is being removed for 10 extra dollars and the jury is in: It's okay because it's not vital? HUH!!!?

PLEASE DEFEND THE REMOVAL OF CONTENT NOT HOW INSIGNIFICANT YOU THINK IT IS.
I am sooooooooo tired of you guys mudding up the issue.

It's not being removed. It's being added.
Please stop making issues up.

"Added" Does original development cycle mean a thing to you? But lets just say its being added for argument sakes; why are they charging us 10 dollars or an extra 20 dollars for content that didn't cost them an additional dime? Fair? Or unethical?


You clearly dont understand the issue.

from reading this thread, i doubt it will matter what i say to you anyway, but bioware had this to say

The content in ?From Ashes? was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

unless the actually flat out lied, i don't see what they have done wrong. the game was finished, then another team made the DLC.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Let me get this straight. Content is being removed for 10 extra dollars and the jury is in: It's okay because it's not vital? HUH!!!?

PLEASE DEFEND THE REMOVAL OF CONTENT NOT HOW INSIGNIFICANT YOU THINK IT IS.
I am sooooooooo tired of you guys mudding up the issue.

It's not being removed. It's being added.
Please stop making issues up.

"Added" Does original development cycle mean a thing to you? But lets just say its being added for argument sakes; why are they charging us 10 dollars or an extra 20 dollars for content that didn't cost them an additional dime? Fair? Or unethical?


You clearly dont understand the issue.

from reading this thread, i doubt it will matter what i say to you anyway, but bioware had this to say

The content in ?From Ashes? was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

unless the actually flat out lied, i don't see what they have done wrong. the game was finished, then another team made the DLC.

Don't bother.

Apparently, if Bioware said that, then it must be a lie. You'd be better of banging your head against a brick wall with this one.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Don't bother.

Apparently, if Bioware said that, then it must be a lie. You'd be better of banging your head against a brick wall with this one.

Everything a major company says is ALWAYS a 100% lie in some illumity level conspiracy attempt to scam people.

fact

/sarcasm.

Fact: it wont be 100% the same, the prothean adds FURTHER exposition and lore to a game about story and EXPOSITION. trust me its fucking important.

proof?

Ohh wait, you have none.

 

[Yopaz]

We don't know what role the DLC character plays. How do you know he is a "vital part of the lore" any more than, say, Kasumi? All the guy in the video says is, "He's a fucking Prothean!" Because that's all he knows about it.

true, it is mostly speculation. but given the significance of that race to the story of the game and its lore, it seems like it would likely be a really important character and could provide a lot of answers. game companies have done shit like this before, like final fantasy 13-2 making one of the endings of the game, dlc

No, it's all speculation.

Why anyone would throw these childish online tantrums over purely speculative matters is a mystery to me.

Fucking gamers, man. Most entitled pack of whiners I've ever had the misfortune to encounter.

I know, right? How dare the demand value for their money and condemn shameful business practices! Bunch of dicks.

You know this post doesn't really make you sound like the smartest person on this site. You're pretty much saying that we deserve value for our hard earned money, but that EA does not deserve to earn money for their work.

I am?

Explain how. Im listening.

Well you have a sarcastic comment pointing out that customers deserve good quality when they buy a product. Alone this comment doesn't say anything that we don't all agree on. However the post you quoted was saying that we whine because we have to pay full price in order to get the full game. So looking into the context it certainly seems like EA does not deserve our money, but we deserve their product.