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RJ 17

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00slash00 said:
I won't go through and start quoting myself out of what I've been trying to get Mr. Zeel to understand, but I also don't want to keep repeating myself, so I'll give you the short version.

People don't buy the Collector's Edition for a couple DLC codes, people buy the CE because they want the memorabilia. They want the Shepard statue, the art book, the sound track, and all the other stuff that comes from it. Why do they want this stuff? Possibly because they're collectors...hence the term "Collector's" Edition. The fact that it happens to come with a DLC Prothean is just another bonus that comes with it.

Would it be any better for them to have said "Only people with the CE get the Prothean, and no one else"? Would that make you happy? Or would you be complaining that the Prothean isn't available to everyone else? Here they've gone and made it available to everyone, but it's a free bonus for the CE people.

Another point is that yes, this guy is a Prothean, and I highly suspect that all the rage about this is specifically because he's a Prothean. If it were just another human merc or something, no one would give a damn. Yes, you'll probably get additional insight and lore into the ME story as you do his sidequest, but after that I can only imagine he'll be like Zaeed and just stand in a corner of the ship spouting out random lines whenever you talk to him.

The overall point is that if he's DLC, he's not critical to the game. Would it be badass to have a Prothean on your team? Undoubtedly. But the game with or without the Prothean is going to be exactly the same, I promise you. If I'm wrong on this subject and the game is entirely different with extra battles and storylines and weapons and conversations and different people dying, then yeah, I'll admit I'm wrong and lead the march to EA's headquarters with a good ol' fashioned pitch-forks-and-torches mob. But judging by Bioware's previous history with DLC characters: they will be insignificant in the greater scheme of things.

As I had mentioned to Zeel: I just got done playing ME 2 without Zaeed...it was the same as every other run-through I've ever done, only I didn't get to do Zaeed's mission. Whoop-de-damn-doo.

In the end, it's a matter of perspective. You and Zeel are apparently pissed off that the CE version of the game gets a bonus that the standard version has to pay for. That's fine, I suppose. From my perspective, though, I think it's very nice of them to say "This character isn't exclusively as CE bonus, if you really want him you can get him as well." In which case the Prothean is no different than any other DLC character, the only difference is that he's available on day 1. To sum up my point: I'd much rather have the OPTION to get him if I want him rather than having no option at all.
 
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SajuukKhar said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Don't bother.

Apparently, if Bioware said that, then it must be a lie. You'd be better of banging your head against a brick wall with this one.
Everything a major company says is ALWAYS a 100% lie in some illumity level conspiracy attempt to scam people.

fact

/sarcasm.
I know, right?

I mean, I bought a costume pack on UMVC3 the other day, and I could swear I felt drilling in the back of my head. Now I occasionally hear beeping.
 

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Zeel said:
Let me get this straight. Content is being removed for 10 extra dollars and the jury is in: It's okay because it's not vital? HUH!!!?

PLEASE DEFEND THE REMOVAL OF CONTENT NOT HOW INSIGNIFICANT YOU THINK IT IS.
I am sooooooooo tired of you guys mudding up the issue.
The content wasn't "removed" and then being priced at ten dollars, the content was for the collectors edition. Bioware then decided to make it available to players if they want to pay a little extra to add it to the standard edition.

ME2 players begged Bioware to see some of the CE content as DLC, it looks like that was a bad move because people are acting like self entitled baby's who just saw another kid with an icecream.
 

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Zeel said:
I don't have time for this. Either follow the arguments or don't reply to me.
I have followed the argument, the problem is "the argument" has no substantiation to it and in fact goes against what Bioware said themselves.

1. The Prothean is not removed content. FACT.
2. The Porthean is still in the game even without the DLC. FACT.
3. The DLC ONLY adds him as a recruitable squadmate with the probability of some loyalty mission. FACT.
4. The DLC IS NOT needed to get a full understanding of the story. FACT.
5. The DLC IS NOT needed to get the best ending in the game. FACT.
6. The DLC took NO time away from the devlopment of the base game. FACT.
 

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i wonder why i even bother some times its not like i can really change anything. i plan to enjoy the game so that should be enough right right??
 

RJ 17

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Zeel said:
And this is where I simply say "gg" and stop arguing with you. It's 100% a matter of perspective, as I just said in this quote:

RJ 17 said:
In the end, it's a matter of perspective. You and Zeel are apparently pissed off that the CE version of the game gets a bonus that the standard version has to pay for. That's fine, I suppose. From my perspective, though, I think it's very nice of them to say "This character isn't exclusively as CE bonus, if you really want him you can get him as well." In which case the Prothean is no different than any other DLC character, the only difference is that he's available on day 1. To sum up my point: I'd much rather have the OPTION to get him if I want him rather than having no option at all.
And before you say "It's not like any other DLC character! It's already on the disc!" Yeah, it's on the disc so people with the CE can have easy access to it.

So yeah, continue to get pissed off and complain about it if you really want to, guess you're just a "glass is half empty" type of person, and that's fine. But it's quite obvious that neither of us are going to convince the other. So boycott EA and Bioware and continue to rage. Personally I'll be happy that something that could have been a kick ass exclusive CE content is being made available to everyone else.
 

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Zeel said:
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Um you put in an extra word there. Or are you also of the impression that all the extra characters in ME2 are also essential because
No. Just ones highly related to the lore. you know the protheans were the entire reason the series began. You know that right? this is like saying you can have mass effect 3 without shepard. or without Asari's are turians. Perhaps it is possible, but all of this come together to build the universe. a Prothean squadmate fills in many gaps in the lore.

I played through without any of them and it didn't change how much I liked the game or how much I got out of the game either. New weapon isn't too hard to do. Eden Prime they pretty much have all concept art and some coding from the first game. As for making the extra squad mate a Protheon. They have concept art from them from BOTH games. So yeah I believe that you can put out a new squad mate an area and weapon in three weeks.
Also the squad mate isn't mentioned in the leaks exactly. They say that you will get a new squad mate weapon and area they however DO NOT say who/what that squad mate is. Also note how this is a bonus for the COLLECTORS edition. Usually things that are included as bonuses don't mean much to the rest of the game and are pretty useless besides aesthetic reasons or to throw a few more lines of lore in there. From the first game you know the fate of the entire Protheon Civilization. In ME2 you learn what the Reapers do to the Protheons. What exactly can the Protheon Squad mate add to the Protheon knowledge that hasn't already been addressed in the previous too games? Is he going to be like Skarner who always says "I miss my kind." and generally be a complete emo?
Okay, I don't care for this post. make a point don't just go blah blah blah.
That IS my point. We already KNOW about the Protheons. Having on in your crew will not add anything. You know how they lived from the first one IE Vigil if you actually talk to him and the codex. Then in 2 you know what the reapers did to them IE the Collectors. Maybe read what I wrote next time?
 

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Zeel said:
suitepee7 said:
Zeel said:
Blunderboy said:
Zeel said:
Let me get this straight. Content is being removed for 10 extra dollars and the jury is in: It's okay because it's not vital? HUH!!!?

PLEASE DEFEND THE REMOVAL OF CONTENT NOT HOW INSIGNIFICANT YOU THINK IT IS.
I am sooooooooo tired of you guys mudding up the issue.
It's not being removed. It's being added.
Please stop making issues up.
"Added" Does original development cycle mean a thing to you? But lets just say its being added for argument sakes; why are they charging us 10 dollars or an extra 20 dollars for content that didn't cost them an additional dime? Fair? Or unethical?


You clearly dont understand the issue.
from reading this thread, i doubt it will matter what i say to you anyway, but bioware had this to say

The content in ?From Ashes? was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

unless the actually flat out lied, i don't see what they have done wrong. the game was finished, then another team made the DLC.
Sounds like a flat-out lie to me. All evidence points in the contrary. game didn't go gold until feburary 13th.

Even if they had an team focused on just developing DLC's. THAT EVEN WORSE. why not just use the fucking cash on polishing THE GOD DAMN GAME. Especially when the game isn't even fucking released.
gold means it ready to be sold in stores but they still have to wait for the release date some send it to stores before then but only about a few days or a week before
 

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RJ 17 said:
In the end, it's a matter of perspective. You and Zeel are apparently pissed off that the CE version of the game gets a bonus that the standard version has to pay for. That's fine, I suppose. From my perspective, though, I think it's very nice of them to say "This character isn't exclusively as CE bonus, if you really want him you can get him as well." In which case the Prothean is no different than any other DLC character, the only difference is that he's available on day 1. To sum up my point: I'd much rather have the OPTION to get him if I want him rather than having no option at all.
well i agree with you there. im glad us common folk who dont have the CE can still pay for him to be in the game, but i still feel that it should have come free with both versions. as you said, the only reason people get the collectors edition of games is because theyre collectors or want something to physically remember the game by. so i dont really so any real reason to secretly give them free dlc that everyone else needs to pay for. if the dlc wasnt meant to be public knowledge, and it wouldnt have been the real selling point of the CE, wouldnt it make more sense for the dlc to come free with every non-used copy of the game. i mean i cant say ill be buying it used because 1. i like to support developers by buying new as much as possible and 2. well, im a pc gamer so buying games used isnt as easy for me. that being said, i can see a lot of people using this as an excuse to buy the game used because they dont benefit from buying it new
 

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Who says that it is on the disk?

How do you know it doesn't just download from like Xbox live?

How do you know it isn't just on the collectors edition disks and not the others?
 

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Zeel said:
tony2077 said:
Zeel said:
suitepee7 said:
Zeel said:
Blunderboy said:
Zeel said:
Let me get this straight. Content is being removed for 10 extra dollars and the jury is in: It's okay because it's not vital? HUH!!!?

PLEASE DEFEND THE REMOVAL OF CONTENT NOT HOW INSIGNIFICANT YOU THINK IT IS.
I am sooooooooo tired of you guys mudding up the issue.
It's not being removed. It's being added.
Please stop making issues up.
"Added" Does original development cycle mean a thing to you? But lets just say its being added for argument sakes; why are they charging us 10 dollars or an extra 20 dollars for content that didn't cost them an additional dime? Fair? Or unethical?


You clearly dont understand the issue.
from reading this thread, i doubt it will matter what i say to you anyway, but bioware had this to say

The content in ?From Ashes? was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

unless the actually flat out lied, i don't see what they have done wrong. the game was finished, then another team made the DLC.
Sounds like a flat-out lie to me. All evidence points in the contrary. game didn't go gold until feburary 13th.

Even if they had an team focused on just developing DLC's. THAT EVEN WORSE. why not just use the fucking cash on polishing THE GOD DAMN GAME. Especially when the game isn't even fucking released.
gold means it ready to be sold in stores but they still have to wait for the release date some send it to stores before then but only about a few days or a week before
yes. pretty much. Ready to ship to stores = game complete.
yes it does but they could still be done the game before then it just before then the publisher didn't have it so it wasn't ready to be sold in store. i think the devs make a main copy then the publisher or something makes more from it