Mass Effect 3 will be incomplete

[Tony2077]

Who says that it is on the disk?

How do you know it doesn't just download from like Xbox live?

How do you know it isn't just on the collectors edition disks and not the others?

we don't know. it certainly was ready intime to be put on the disc and is likely on the disc.

Feb 8th it was revealed
feb 13th game went gold.

can you link this February eight stuff please

 

[Yopaz]

We don't know what role the DLC character plays. How do you know he is a "vital part of the lore" any more than, say, Kasumi? All the guy in the video says is, "He's a fucking Prothean!" Because that's all he knows about it.

true, it is mostly speculation. but given the significance of that race to the story of the game and its lore, it seems like it would likely be a really important character and could provide a lot of answers. game companies have done shit like this before, like final fantasy 13-2 making one of the endings of the game, dlc

No, it's all speculation.

Why anyone would throw these childish online tantrums over purely speculative matters is a mystery to me.

Fucking gamers, man. Most entitled pack of whiners I've ever had the misfortune to encounter.

I know, right? How dare the demand value for their money and condemn shameful business practices! Bunch of dicks.

You know this post doesn't really make you sound like the smartest person on this site. You're pretty much saying that we deserve value for our hard earned money, but that EA does not deserve to earn money for their work.

I am?

Explain how. Im listening.

Well you have a sarcastic comment pointing out that customers deserve good quality when they buy a product. Alone this comment doesn't say anything that we don't all agree on. However the post you quoted was saying that we whine because we have to pay full price in order to get the full game. So looking into the context it certainly seems like EA does not deserve our money, but we deserve their product.

Um... What? Sorry dude, still not feeling it.

My posts imply there is a certain standard that makes a game worth whatever you pay for it. People are getting a rotten deal with ME3, thats all I am saying. I dont understand how the hell you read my posts and came out of it with that conclusion.

We deserve something when we shell out 60 bucks for a game. We deserve a functional, fun experience, and we deserve not to be treated like thieves. Entitled? Yes, of course I am entitled, and I have every right to be. Its my money EA are getting. (or rather, not getting, in this particular case.)

Since when is expecting a product to fulfill a certain standard a bad thing? That notion is extremely backward.

Let me get this straight. Content is being removed for 10 extra dollars and the jury is in: It's okay because it's not vital? HUH!!!?

PLEASE DEFEND THE REMOVAL OF CONTENT NOT HOW INSIGNIFICANT YOU THINK IT IS.
I am sooooooooo tired of you guys mudding up the issue.

The content wasn't "removed" and then being priced at ten dollars, the content was for the collectors edition. Bioware then decided to make it available to players if they want to pay a little extra to add it to the standard edition.

ME2 players begged Bioware to see some of the CE content as DLC, it looks like that was a bad move because people are acting like self entitled baby's who just saw another kid with an icecream.

Its weird how this prothean dude appeared in numerous leaks over the last few months despite being something the team only worked on to bridge the gap to release, isnt it? The protheans must be more advanced than previous games implied, since that particular one seems to have gained the ability to travel through time.

Well, you do in fact get a fully functional game for the price of 60 bucks. You get the full game for a price of 60 bucks. Those who buy the collector's edition get extra content and that's not unheard of. They get some side quests and an extra squad member.
Those who don't buy the collector's edition wont miss out on it if they want it. They can still get it if they feel like it. Bioware has confirmed this will not be a huge part of the story so that's bullshit. This isn't really a big deal. Sure. it's not nice, but this isn't something you haven't seen before. It's just the first time (as I know at least) you see the collector's edition's extra content also released as DLC.

 

[J Tyran]

Let me get this straight. Content is being removed for 10 extra dollars and the jury is in: It's okay because it's not vital? HUH!!!?

PLEASE DEFEND THE REMOVAL OF CONTENT NOT HOW INSIGNIFICANT YOU THINK IT IS.
I am sooooooooo tired of you guys mudding up the issue.

The content wasn't "removed" and then being priced at ten dollars, the content was for the collectors edition. Bioware then decided to make it available to players if they want to pay a little extra to add it to the standard edition.

ME2 players begged Bioware to see some of the CE content as DLC, it looks like that was a bad move because people are acting like self entitled baby's who just saw another kid with an icecream.

To me this is even worse: Wasting resources on developing ingame content thats not avaliable to everyone is the pinnacle of evil business tactics. If EA game is in the position to fund and develop content for the game, they should just include it in the game. Not say "lets make the original game" and 'special content' for collectors editions.

You do know that paying more money for more product is one of the basic principles of consumerism right? Pay more money get a bigger car or a fancier phone, computer and so on. Its not a waste of resources at all, its just investing more during development so they can ship a higher priced premium product.

Do Apple waste resources when they sell an i-pad with more features than the base model? Of course not, unless the product doesn't sell well enough to be worth the investment.

but do you honestly think the sole survivor of the reaper exctinction has nothing of value to add to the plot? I mean nothing at all? How do you think Shepard wins? could it be GASP the same way he won in me1 with help from the protheans. No, that can't fucking be it. Adding to lore also affects it by the way. Exposition in an RPG is also important.

He could just be a clone you rescue from a Cerberus lab and know nothing beyond his immediate circumstances, or he could be a simple soldier or technician with no great insight and Shepard wakes him up after spending tens of millennia in cryo or something.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Who says that it is on the disk?

How do you know it doesn't just download from like Xbox live?

How do you know it isn't just on the collectors edition disks and not the others?

we don't know. it certainly was ready intime to be put on the disc and is likely on the disc.

Feb 8th it was revealed
feb 13th game went gold.

The game went gold in January, if the game had gone gold in February it wouldn't be out till April or May.

It isn't possible to certify, print, and ship a game in less then 1 months time.

 

[Itsthefuzz]

InB4 the game comes out and everyone complaining buys it anyways.

 

[RJ 17]

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Oh I wouldn't call you a troll or anything, as I said: this is all just a matter of perspective. To put it in Geth terms: we simply cannot reach consensus.

And you're missing my point. The Prothean in question is 100% a bonus for the CE version. That's why he's on the disc already: so people with the CE can easily unlock their bonus without having to actually download anything extra. He's no different than the Black Hole cannon as far as content is concerned. The gun was already on the game but locked off to everyone who didn't pre-order. This guy is on the game but locked off to everyone who didn't get the CE. What I'm saying is that, unlike the black hole cannon, they're actually offering those who really want this guy the chance to get him. Don't want him? Think it's unfair that the CE gets him as part of the CE bundle and the standard version has to pay for him? Then don't get him. Problem solved.

Gahhh! Already got sucked back into the argument I just said I was leaving. Just do what you gotta do. Buy the game or not. Buy the character or not. Personally I'm getting the game still, and I'll likely end up downloading the character. Why? Because it sounds great, and I'm thankful that he isn't exclusively CE content. All we have here is pessimism vs optimism. You say it's bad that he's free to some and others have to pay, I say it's good that the others even have a chance to get him as I'd rather that be the case than have him being exclusively to the CE only.

Just real quick, can't remember if you ever directly answered this question: if he was CE only, standard version couldn't even pay to buy him, would that make you happy?

 

[Krion_Vark]

Um you put in an extra word there. Or are you also of the impression that all the extra characters in ME2 are also essential because

No. Just ones highly related to the lore. you know the protheans were the entire reason the series began. You know that right? this is like saying you can have mass effect 3 without shepard. or without Asari's are turians. Perhaps it is possible, but all of this come together to build the universe. a Prothean squadmate fills in many gaps in the lore.

I played through without any of them and it didn't change how much I liked the game or how much I got out of the game either. New weapon isn't too hard to do. Eden Prime they pretty much have all concept art and some coding from the first game. As for making the extra squad mate a Protheon. They have concept art from them from BOTH games. So yeah I believe that you can put out a new squad mate an area and weapon in three weeks.
Also the squad mate isn't mentioned in the leaks exactly. They say that you will get a new squad mate weapon and area they however DO NOT say who/what that squad mate is. Also note how this is a bonus for the COLLECTORS edition. Usually things that are included as bonuses don't mean much to the rest of the game and are pretty useless besides aesthetic reasons or to throw a few more lines of lore in there. From the first game you know the fate of the entire Protheon Civilization. In ME2 you learn what the Reapers do to the Protheons. What exactly can the Protheon Squad mate add to the Protheon knowledge that hasn't already been addressed in the previous too games? Is he going to be like Skarner who always says "I miss my kind." and generally be a complete emo?

Okay, I don't care for this post. make a point don't just go blah blah blah.

That IS my point. We already KNOW about the Protheons. Having on in your crew will not add anything. You know how they lived from the first one IE Vigil if you actually talk to him and the codex. Then in 2 you know what the reapers did to them IE the Collectors. Maybe read what I wrote next time?

I'm not going to waste more than sentence debunking this; Protheans can and THEY WILL add more to the story. Read the links or wait till the release. however if you're uninformed, shut up about it.

No shit they can. They have the first two games. No shit they will Vigil hinted at a reaper killing thing in the first game. Like you said the Protheans are the reason for this series they have been there from the start. But what will having a Protheon squad mate add to the game besides hey look more mouths to feed because I don't like him or which person should I not use because I like him as a squad mate.

We are both informed the same amount the difference being is that I believe having a Protheon squad mate will add nothing to the lore or story besides maybe a codex entry. While you are crying about the game being incomplete without him.

 

[SajuukKhar]

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/334951/mass-effect-3-dlc-leaks-called-from-dust/

Nowhere in that article or video did it ever say when the game went gold.

https://twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/168934352154136576
3 weeks is close enough to 1 month.

I suggest you actually read what he said

He is proud to "ANNOUNCE" the game went gold, game usually go gold quite some time before they are announced gold.

 

[Tony2077]

Who says that it is on the disk?

How do you know it doesn't just download from like Xbox live?

How do you know it isn't just on the collectors edition disks and not the others?

we don't know. it certainly was ready intime to be put on the disc and is likely on the disc.

Feb 8th it was revealed
feb 13th game went gold.

can you link this February eight stuff please

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/334951/mass-effect-3-dlc-leaks-called-from-dust/

hmm from dust from ashes names are little bit the same but doesn't make what I've said false

 

[RJ 17]

In the end, it's a matter of perspective. You and Zeel are apparently pissed off that the CE version of the game gets a bonus that the standard version has to pay for. That's fine, I suppose. From my perspective, though, I think it's very nice of them to say "This character isn't exclusively as CE bonus, if you really want him you can get him as well." In which case the Prothean is no different than any other DLC character, the only difference is that he's available on day 1. To sum up my point: I'd much rather have the OPTION to get him if I want him rather than having no option at all.

well i agree with you there. im glad us common folk who dont have the CE can still pay for him to be in the game, but i still feel that it should have come free with both versions. as you said, the only reason people get the collectors edition of games is because theyre collectors or want something to physically remember the game by. so i dont really so any real reason to secretly give them free dlc that everyone else needs to pay for. if the dlc wasnt meant to be public knowledge, and it wouldnt have been the real selling point of the CE, wouldnt it make more sense for the dlc to come free with every non-used copy of the game. i mean i cant say ill be buying it used because 1. i like to support developers by buying new as much as possible and 2. well, im a pc gamer so buying games used isnt as easy for me. that being said, i can see a lot of people using this as an excuse to buy the game used because they dont benefit from buying it new

I do agree that they could have, and perhaps should have, made this guy free to all new copies of the game the way Zaeed was free to all new copies of the game. But that's not me giving up the point though. My point still remains valid in that they could have just as easily said "Only the CE gets the Prothean squadmate" in which case the Prothean is officially a CE content bonus and I think that'd likely have pissed off a lot more people. It still is a content bonus, but like I just said to Zeel: it's pessimism vs optimism.

You can look at this as a glass-is-half-empty situation and say they're holding back content for more money from standard version buyers. That position is just as justifiable as the glass-is-half-full perspective of "Hey, at least we actually have the option to get the character, in which case this character will be no different than any other DLC character in a Bioware game, it just so happens to be available from day one because it's actually CE bonus content."

Basically what I'm saying is that I can understand how people would get angry about this, just my perspective on the situation is different. Trust me, I hate EA with a passion. The fact that too many of my favorite games have an EA logo on the opening screens really gets on my nerves. The game is complete. You can start it, play through it, and finish it. And while you do get some additional stuff if you get this guy, it won't be necessary to get the full experience of the game. But that's what DLC is: additional stuff that isn't necessary but that simply adds to the content. Somewhere in these 7 pages, I saw someone point out "It's not like you'll get to a certain part of the game and it'll suddenly freeze and say "You need to give us $10 for the Prothean character or else you can't go any further." " THAT would be selling an incomplete game.

 

[Tony2077]

InB4 the game comes out and everyone complaining buys it anyways.

so 51 out of 1115 people are... bad odds?

I will be sticking to my boycott unless they change the prothean bullshit.

its one page and boycotts like this never work