Mass Effect 3's ending wasn't that bad...

[LordofPurple]

I'm gonna say this one last time. If you were perfectly happy with ME3 you have no reason to say ANYTHING in ANY outlet but this:

"Thank you Bioware. I enjoyed the game."

Because if it's true, it's all you should need to say. But for the love of god, stop volunteering to be Bioware's PR department. They'll never thank you for it, and you're actively impeding an ongoing campaign among consumers to get *MORE* and *BETTER* content for the game. Why can't you just be happy with what you have, instead of actively impeding us from getting what we want?

Dag y'all.

Everyone else has a right to fill out webpages and forums with why they hated the ending, but I'm not allowed to say in a paragraph or two why I enjoyed it? I wanted to share my view with other people, much like everyone else wanted to vent rage to other people. I'm not going to keep silent just because I happen to disagree with the majority. If I absolutely hated the ending I'd still make a post about it for the sake of my opinion being what it is.

Also, I really doubt BioWare gives a damn what I say. I doubt that they're going to listen to the minority over the majority if they're genuinely considering changing anything. What you're basically saying is "for those of you who don't agree with the majority, shut the hell up."

 

[Outcast107]

I'm gonna say this one last time. If you were perfectly happy with ME3 you have no reason to say ANYTHING in ANY outlet but this:

"Thank you Bioware. I enjoyed the game."

Because if it's true, it's all you should need to say. But for the love of god, stop volunteering to be Bioware's PR department. They'll never thank you for it, and you're actively impeding an ongoing campaign among consumers to get *MORE* and *BETTER* content for the game. Why can't you just be happy with what you have, instead of actively impeding us from getting what we want?

Dag y'all.

Everyone else has a right to fill out webpages and forums with why they hated the ending, but I'm not allowed to say in a paragraph or two why I enjoyed it? I wanted to share my view with other people, much like everyone else wanted to vent rage to other people. I'm not going to keep silent just because I happen to disagree with the majority. If I absolutely hated the ending I'd still make a post about it for the sake of my opinion being what it is.

Dude just give up. It doesn't matter if you think this, cause people are going to ***** at you no matter what. I didn't mind the ending as much as the next guy (I still think people are over reacting. Sure bad ending, but come on...it not the end of the world. For those who are acting out of hand and not the ones who are acting mature.) Though I would say state your opinion but hey this is the internet if someone doesn't like what you like then they have to tell you to shut up about it. Yet do a vice versa and they be crying like bitches saying "Wahh stop telling me what to do! I have rights!"

 

[LordofPurple]

I'm gonna say this one last time. If you were perfectly happy with ME3 you have no reason to say ANYTHING in ANY outlet but this:

"Thank you Bioware. I enjoyed the game."

Because if it's true, it's all you should need to say. But for the love of god, stop volunteering to be Bioware's PR department. They'll never thank you for it, and you're actively impeding an ongoing campaign among consumers to get *MORE* and *BETTER* content for the game. Why can't you just be happy with what you have, instead of actively impeding us from getting what we want?

Dag y'all.

Everyone else has a right to fill out webpages and forums with why they hated the ending, but I'm not allowed to say in a paragraph or two why I enjoyed it? I wanted to share my view with other people, much like everyone else wanted to vent rage to other people. I'm not going to keep silent just because I happen to disagree with the majority. If I absolutely hated the ending I'd still make a post about it for the sake of my opinion being what it is.

Dude just give up. It doesn't matter if you think this, cause people are going to ***** at you no matter what. I didn't mind the ending as much as the next guy (I still think people are over reacting. Sure bad ending, but come on...it not the end of the world. For those who are acting out of hand and not the ones who are acting mature.) Though I would say state your opinion but hey this is the internet if someone doesn't like what you like then they have to tell you to shut up about it. Yet do a vice versa and they be crying like bitches saying "Wahh stop telling me what to do! I have rights!"

What's funny to me is that if you don't like it you don't have to post here. You could save us both the trouble.
It's not "wahh I have rights" so much as "Being a prick is really unneccesary". They have the right to tell me to shut up about it, I have the right to say no, it goes on and on. They also have the right to either contribute to the discussion in some way other than saying "stop discussing" or to move on and not try to put down others for disagreeing with them.

 

[Outcast107]

What's funny to me is that if you don't like it you don't have to post here. You could save us both the trouble.
It's not "wahh I have rights" so much as "Being a prick is really unneccesary". They have the right to tell me to shut up about it, I have the right to say no, it goes on and on. They also have the right to either contribute to the discussion in some way other than saying "stop discussing" or to move on and not try to put down others for disagreeing with them.

True, I was just trying to be helpful. It just get tiring of seeing the same thing. "I hate the ending." "I like it." "Shut up cause the ending was purely stupid" "No it wasn't and it not as bad as everyone thinks" etc and etc.

I just get sick and tired of hearing gamers complain about small stuff and then try to act mature about it later. As soon as something we don't like comes our way we throw a fit and be pricks towards each other and the developers or we do the opposite and do nothing when we SHOULD.

Am I saying we have to like everything they do? Hell no, but it just seem like everytime something happens a lot of us act like children and throw fits. I mean look at all the boycotts that the gamers have said they would do and over 90% of them buy the game anyways. Or when developers like Capcom pull shitty tactics like they did with Tekken vs Street fighters I hear nothing. Or you know how they release a brand new game for ultimate (Or whatever it was called) Capcom vs marvel so you had to rebuy the game to get new characters (that could have been simple DLC) and all the fixes they promise to do in the Capcom vs Marvel 3.

Idk, maybe i'm just being meh about it at the moment but I just sick and tired of how Gamers are acting now and then with games. They go after meaningless stuff and don't even focus on what hurts the industry. Anyways, the ending imo were bad, but hey just do a epilogue so everyone can shut up about it already. Or whatever they are planning with "The Truth" DLC.

 

[tippy2k2]

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Fair enough. Lets debate then.


1. Sure. Some games are about destinies and stuff. Though that's usually a trope for kiddy animes. Either way, if you're telling me that this was a main theme of Mass Effect than I need to see some sort of evidence.

2. Well, this isn't really an argument is it? I said the basic premise of the series is choice and consequence. Their inability to deliver doesn't change that.

2a. I do think they delivered the premise in some aspects. Wrex and Wreav are a good example of the choice and consequences theme. Where as I can semi-trust Wrex with the cure. Wreav, hell no. I'd sabotage the cure in a heartbeat.

3. "destiny" is an odd way of putting it. You're acting like they INTENDED for our choices not to matter. I don't think that's the case. They just got lazy and apparently experimented with drugs when writing that ending.

Is it the word destiny that you have an issue with or do you just disagree with my take on the games? Would fate be a better word?

I guess for me, ultimately, your choices in the game did not really matter. You got some aesthetic differences and some character differences but the end of the road is the end of the road, no matter how you got there. I gave that "choice list" to try to demonstrate the destiny/fate/"do what Bioware" tells you story aspect.

That's why I think the ending works so well. No matter how much illusion Bioware gives you of choice/consequences, you are playing their story and what happens is going to happen no matter how you interfere (unless you died in ME2....that'll show'em!)

To answer your third question, Yes, I do think Bioware intentionally did this. If you do think Bioware did not intend to do this then I can 100% understand hating the ending. I just think that Bioware threw in plenty of hints that this was how it was going to work (Quarian/Geth is a good example of this; talking about the "life cycles" late in the game is another example).

If you don't see the game with the same eyes that I do, that's OK, you're just not going to like the ending as much (or will hate it depending on what eyes you did see it with). This is OK, I don't expect to convert you to liking the game just as I'm sure you don't expect to have my eyes opened and see the pile of shit behind the card-board cut-out of a good ending.

Also, as a quick side-bar: Try to be a bit nicer in your opinions. You are demonstrating right here that you are able to have a discussion without the insults. You obviously have a reputation on this site (fair or not I can't say. I've only seen you here due to my earlier mention of avoiding ME games like it was going to genophage me) but I've heard plenty from others and according to your forum health, you're about one more insult away from getting yourself booted from the site.

 

[scorptatious]

I can agree with you. While I still would have preferred some sort of closure to the ending, (Like maybe a text scroll that talks about what happened with the galaxy and my squadmates depending on the choices I have made.) I think people may be overreacting to the ending. Still, I can see why it would disappoint most though. And I wish them the best of luck in convincing Bioware to alter the endings.

In the mean time, I'm still enjoying what ME3 has to offer, and it's making me want to go back to ME1 to make a new character. I probably won't do it right away, but it will be a good way to occupy my time when there aren't any other games that I want to play.

 

[Juan Regular]

I would advise you not to read or create threads like these simply to avoid reading to much about the ending and why people think it´s so awful. You seem like a reasonable person and I can´t believe you´d like the ending if you knew all the reasons why it is so bad. If you already read all the details, I honestly can´t understand how it´s possible that you don´t hate it.
I definitely didn´t pick up on all of those missteps myself and I would be much happier if hadn´t read all the discussions about it. I still wouldn´t like the ending, but I would be fine with it.

Oh, and I really liked Inception.

 

[Emiscary]

Well Lord of Purple you've demonstrated a talent for missing the point. What I'm basically saying is: you have nothing to gain by speaking. We on the other hand stand to lose something.

 

[Monster_user]

I'm looking for to busting a cap in Miranda, Legion, Kaiden, and a few others. When the DLC comes out that is.

The REAL ending, Shepard vs his squad.

 

[LordofPurple]

I'm looking for to busting a cap in Miranda, Legion, Kaiden, and a few others. When the DLC comes out that is.

The REAL ending, Shepard vs his squad.

Legion and Kaidan were dead in mine. :B
I'd take Miranda in a cage match, though.

 

[Monster_user]

You are not accepting the endings available.

This is good. FIGHT THE REAPERS! FIGHT FOR THE REAL ENDING. DON'T GIVE IN SHEPARD!

I do have a few squad mates to dispose of still, couldn't kill them all off...

 

[LordofPurple]

You are not accepting the endings available.

This is good. FIGHT THE REAPERS! FIGHT FOR THE REAL ENDING. DON'T GIVE IN SHEPARD!

I do have a few squad mates to dispose of still, couldn't kill them all off...

I had really hoped in ME3 that those whose Shepard died at the end of ME2 would be able to continue the story as a different character or as some sort of robot Shepard or something. Oh well. We all wished for a lot of things, apparently.

 

[Monster_user]

Stop and think, this is a difficult position for Bioware. They wanted to do something creative. They wanted you to believe something, something Shepard believed. It is important to the narrative, that these be the endings for a short time.

Unfortunately, the fanbase is being immature about it, and Bioware is in a position where it has to deal with public backlash, needlessly. Lawsuits! Lawsuits over Mass Effect 4's release date not being set!!!

I don't see how Bioware, or EA can recover from this. Even if they went ahead with their ORIGINAL plans.

 

[tippy2k2]

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Was it intentional? Well, I mean, that would be really stupid. Don't you think? They advertise the game as a story that you're apart of, that you effect and guide. Hell, why do you think we can carry our characters from game to game? Because they INTENDED our choices to matter. but either their vision got to grand or they lost their way.

Yes, this could be just us having different lens, but I'm still having trouble seeing your perspective. I mean, the destiny thing or fate, or whatever you want to call it, is the exact opposite of choice and consequence. So not only do our lens differentiate, they conflict. So I want to settle this conflict.

The game since its release has been advertised as a choice and consequence type of game.
Thats why they let us carry our shepards from me1 all the way to me3. Surely you can atleast understand why my lens is more 'appropriate' than yours? I mean.. right?

How else can I put this. What other reasons do you have to support your lens.. because the 'choices meaning shitall' is more likely a game constraint than an intended limitation.

I can 100% understand if you don't like the ending.

I have no other reason to support my viewpoint besides the destiny thing. This might just be how my brain is wired. Where you see choices, I see...railroading sounds bad but I'm going to call it railroading. The game can give you 5000 different paths but they all lead to the same place. Your destination was locked no matter what you did (unless you died in 2 but I'm under the assumption that it's not the "canon" choice).

You very well could be right in that Bioware did not intend it to happen the way I see it (in fact, I would wager that you ARE correct and I'm the one with the wrong lens on; especially considering EA restructured Bioware shortly before ME2 if I'm not mistaken) but it's how I see it.

Could I be warping my own views because I really want to like this game? Possibly (or am I indoctrinated! Oh God...Martin Sheen is in my head!!!)

 

[Monster_user]

They intended for this "ending". They intended for your choices to matter. They intend[ed] to release DLC.

The story is not over yet.

 

[LordofPurple]

You are not accepting the endings available.

This is good. FIGHT THE REAPERS! FIGHT FOR THE REAL ENDING. DON'T GIVE IN SHEPARD!

I do have a few squad mates to dispose of still, couldn't kill them all off...

I had really hoped in ME3 that those whose Shepard died at the end of ME2 would be able to continue the story as a different character or as some sort of robot Shepard or something. Oh well. We all wished for a lot of things, apparently.

you can't be serious?

Hell, with that ending. Bioware probably wants to hire you.

I was simply saying "it would be cool if etc etc". Being condescending is only making you look worse.

 

[LordofPurple]

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Was it intentional? Well, I mean, that would be really stupid. Don't you think? They advertise the game as a story that you're apart of, that you effect and guide. Hell, why do you think we can carry our characters from game to game? Because they INTENDED our choices to matter. but either their vision got to grand or they lost their way.

Yes, this could be just us having different lens, but I'm still having trouble seeing your perspective. I mean, the destiny thing or fate, or whatever you want to call it, is the exact opposite of choice and consequence. So not only do our lens differentiate, they conflict. So I want to settle this conflict.

The game since its release has been advertised as a choice and consequence type of game.
Thats why they let us carry our shepards from me1 all the way to me3. Surely you can atleast understand why my lens is more 'appropriate' than yours? I mean.. right?

How else can I put this. What other reasons do you have to support your lens.. because the 'choices meaning shitall' is more likely a game constraint than an intended limitation.

I can 100% understand if you don't like the ending.

I have no other reason to support my viewpoint besides the destiny thing. This might just be how my brain is wired. Where you see choices, I see...railroading sounds bad but I'm going to call it railroading. The game can give you 5000 different paths but they all lead to the same place. Your destination was locked no matter what you did (unless you died in 2 but I'm under the assumption that it's not the "canon" choice).

You very well could be right in that Bioware did not intend it to happen the way I see it (in fact, I would wager that you ARE correct and I'm the one with the wrong lens on; especially considering EA restructured Bioware shortly before ME2 if I'm not mistaken) but it's how I see it.

Could I be warping my own views because I really want to like this game? Possibly (or am I indoctrinated! Oh God...Martin Sheen is in my head!!!)

I almost really do feel like I'm trying to like it. I just want to remember it on a good note. Instead of being bitter and upset about the ending, I just want to remember Mass Effect 3 for how much I liked it. Besides the tacked-on ending, everything else was amazing, so it's a small price to pay.
If BioWare releases DLC changing the ending (which I doubt they'll do) then hell yes. That would be amazing.
But if they DON'T, then oh well. I'll still have nothing but fond memories.