Mass effect "hot" chicks

[SamtheDeathclaw]

I don't find ANY of the romances on ME to be appealing. Jack is the only one I can stand. Miranda is NOT what the dev's thought she was, evidently. Tali has the whole Geth thing, and the fact that she's a twat to Legion. Thane... Errg. I don't like the idea of romancing someone who has a dead wife and a son you help reconnect him with. Garrus is a cocky prat. Jacob has very little actual personality I've seen.
But that's just my opinion, no need to go spreading it around.

Do I sense a little FemShepard/Joker? All I'll say is, she'll have to be really gentle with him.
*snippity snip-snippers

Heck yes.

 

[Durgiun]

Mirana has a manly jaw line, Ashley has messy eyes. Oh and those "hot" blue aliens are so
transparently supposed to give you a nerdrection its insulting. So yeah you are not alone.

Christ, thank you for being theonly other person in the world who sees the Asari as a manipulation device.

I personally see them as scary.

Think about it... a society of only one gender, and that gender just happens to look female. Technically, because it is one gender, there is no gender. However, they insist on referring to themselves in the female gender, and taking titles such as Matriarch. Which to me indicates that at one time or another, their society did have more than one gender.

I don't find it creepy, I just find it stupid ass design interfering with story. If they didn't look like human females then the ''matriarch'' thing wouldn't exist. They would be called something like, I dunno, Old Ones, The Wise or something.

 

[gunmun]

I really don't care for the humans(minus Jack) because why do them when you could be like Kirk and screw the aliens.

 

[skywalkerlion]

Miranda's awesome. If I had to list in order of hottest to meh:

Miranda
Jack
Tali
Kelly

Aliens are out of the question. But seriously, come on. DAT ASS.
EDIT: Just realized Tali's an alien. My retort is that she's not a blue, old, asexual alien. For all I know the Quarians could be hot space elves.

Jack is more attractive and she's bald.

yeah, right. so miranda and jack both proposition you and you are going to choose the bald, tattooed, small breasted boy.

that is a poor choice.

Agree'd.

 

[Vrex360]

Honestly, I think Miranda is cursed with the uncanny valley effect in a major and at times horrific way. There's nothing quite like watching the face of a well known celebrity look like its melting on screen.

As it stands, the two girls I rate highest for looks are Ashley Williams and Jack. Despite the tattos and the hostile attitude, Jack honestly has a very soft and very pretty face under that. At times I'd even go so far as to say she's adorable.
And Ashley, well, I've complemented her on this forum about a million times so I'll make it quick:

She's pretty in a straight ordinary way, and I loved that. The idea that emphasis was put into making a female romanceable character NOT look like a nerd's wetdream was fantastic. Made even better by the fact that she even had a bit of an abraisive personality.
She can be hostile, unwilling to try new things and even quite aggressive from time to time. At times she even came across as xenophobic.
But under that, she had a great sense of humor, was a loving daughter and sister, was undeniably brave and even very compassionate.

With the good and the bad going for her and the ordinary, practical good looks, Ashley was the closest I think any character has had in Mass Effect to actually feel like a fully realized person. Hence why she remains my favorite to this day.

I'm not so sure how I feel about her redesign but that's another kettle of chips.

As it stands, if I were forced to pick between Miranda or Ashley, I would pick Ashley in a heartbeat and never look back. That's just how I see it.

Perhaps the reason Miranda pisses me off so much is because after playing Mass Effect 1 and romancing a very real and human feeling character who wasn't sexualized in an exploitative way... in Mass Effect 2 all that went away in favor of supermodels in catsuits with the camera zooming in on her ass.

The fact that these days Gears of War, with the reputation of having some of gaming's worst writing, is still more mature then Mass Effect, which had the reputation of having some of gamings greatest writing, in regards to female attire in the battlefield... is something to note.

Also, I dislike the Asari for being a blatant male fantasy disguised as an actual alien race.

EDIT: As far as the list goes

Ashley
Jack
Samara
Kasumi
Kelly

 

[Kahunaburger]

Perhaps the reason Miranda pisses me off so much is because after playing Mass Effect 1 and romancing a very real and human feeling character who wasn't sexualized in an exploitative way... in Mass Effect 2 all that went away in favor of supermodels in catsuits with the camera zooming in on her ass.

The fact that these days Gears of War, with the reputation of having some of gaming's worst writing, is still more mature then Mass Effect, which had the reputation of having some of gamings greatest writing, in regards to female attire in the battlefield... is something to note.

Also, I dislike the Asari for being a blatant male fantasy disguised as an actual alien race.

Truth. Honestly, I have no idea what the thought process was for Bioware re: Miranda's outfit. Between this and DA2, I have serious worries that they're increasingly building their games around the fanservice. And the best explanation I can think up for the Asari is that they're in there to troll biologists haha.

 

[Terminal Blue]

I will argue that the Geth didn't just 'kill some of her people in the process' of fighting back. You always hear that, 'the Geth were only defending themselves'. Bullshit. The fact is, the Migrant Fleet contains some 17 million Quarians.

Which coincidentally, is exactly 17 million more than the number of Geth the Quarians would have left alive had they won the war. I'm still not seeing the moral high ground.

This means that in the war with the Geth, given ridiculously low assumptions for the size of the Quarian population, a minimum of 1,980,000,000 Quarians were killed. 99% of the Quarian population wiped out. Murdered by the Geth. That means Geth constructs went house to house, room to room, shooting down every man, woman, and child they could find.

That's not really realistic.. Exterminating a civilian population of millions of people is not something you do in an afternoon by just going to people's houses and shooting them. If nothing else, if you start doing that, the survivors will run away and you have to waste time hunting them down. Organized genocide requires a means of either controlling the population in question, or the targeting of a distributed minority in a situation where communication between affected groups is going to be limited. They're not going to sit around and placidly wait for you to kill them. All this takes time and effort to set up and orchestrate.

Also:

1) The Quarians were fighting for their homeworld. They had modern production methods, high tech weaponry and, let's not forget, WMDs. As an organic species they also require provisioning (they die without food and water, and become sick without adequate provisioning and healthcare infrastructure). Casualties into the billions in that situation would be almost inevitable, and the line between a civilian and a soldier would almost certainly blur to non-existence the closer the Quarians came to desperation. After all, the Geth don't have civilians or soldiers. A soldier is just a group of runtimes inhabiting a combat capable mobile platform. The information needed for effective combat can be shared in seconds. Fighting the Geth and realistically expecting to win would not leave room for civilians.

2) Socially, the Geth were in a position no organic creature has ever been in. They had only recently become self aware, they had no society so to speak and had not had time to form complex moral judgements. Remember, the thing which set this whole drama off was a Geth asking its overseer moral and philosophical questions. The Geth had no contact with any species beside the Quarians, their only point of reference for interspecies behaviour was the Quarians.

What do you think it meant to the Geth that the Quarian's first reaction was to try and kill them off? A better society might have taken it upon itself to offer guidance and welcome the Geth to a wider community of races, might have apologized for exploiting Geth labour, might have made efforts to facilitate cooperation between the two races. The Quarians were not a better society.

If you birth a child and raise it not to understand the concept of mercy, trying to suddenly teach it mercy because it's pointing a gun at you is not likely to be very successful.

3) Quarian breeding is artificially restricted to keep the population in line with the available space. Tali actually goes into a great deal of detail about it.

 

[CATB320]

I thought Miranda was pretty. I actually really liked her character.

 

[Free Thinker]

I'll take Tali or Liara any day. But yes I did feel the same way when I first saw her.
*clip of her legs and arse*
Oh sweet! New romance option that actually looks good!
*slow pan to her face*
OH SHIT! KILL IT WITH FIRE!

 

[Terminal Blue]

Think about it... a society of only one gender, and that gender just happens to look female. Technically, because it is one gender, there is no gender. However, they insist on referring to themselves in the female gender, and taking titles such as Matriarch. Which to me indicates that at one time or another, their society did have more than one gender.

In defence though..

Mass Effect clearly went down the 'the aliens are anthropomorphic' direction, and that's cool. Most science fiction franchises do. Even in those diverse Star Wars cantina scenes most species are bipedal and a lot of them have identifiable gender markings which are relatively similar to our own.

Humans are female by default. They become male when the endocrine system produces androgens in the womb. Without the active influence of androgens, female morphology develops. Assuming life were to develop along humanoid lines, and if a humanoid species were to be mono-gendered, it makes total sense that they would appear female. We can simply assume that they don't have an equivalent to the androgens that male humans produce, resulting in an always female conception.

Additionally, if we assume they are roughly mammalian, then they need to be able to give birth to live young, which requires some kind of uterus-and-vagina-analogue. They also need mammary glands, although I'll admit they really don't need to wear the most ridiculous push up bra and half-open leather catsuit, especially when they're getting on for a thousand years old.

So really, if you're going humanoid and you're going monogendered, then making them roughly gynomorphic actually makes the most sense.

Also, Shepherd and co are implied to be using translation software (referenced at one point), even if it does seem a bit like the Tardis in that it has a remarkable gift for translating whatever is necessary to keep the story going and never seems to go terribly wrong. Still, the Asari aren't actually calling themselves 'Matriarch' or referring to themselves with female pronouns because they aren't actually speaking English, at least not when they speak to each other.

 

[Trillovinum]

good lord. I've stated this before. It's not Tali, It's what happend to the species. Hell, I don't take sides, there's no clear right or wrong there's just what happened.

I'm not trying to advance one species over the other here, I'm just trying to tell you guys I understand her anger toward geth for what they did to her homeworld.
If something like that happened to earth, you'd bet I'll be pissed.

my original point wasn't that the quarians had no fault in it, just that i understand why they dislike the geth.

 

[God's Clown]

Sole issue with Miranda is her head. The hair just makes her head look stupid, and they made her face too puffy.

 

[Still Life]

WTH.

I can't believe how many people didn't pay attention to Ashley's dialogue. She can better be described as a human nationalist, not a racist. Her attitudes are naive, prideful and isolationist. She actually outright accuses Terra Firma and Cerberus as xenophobic. People can't get past her straight-forward and argumentative personality to see what she's really saying.

Also, geeks who can't stand strong-willed, determined and often arrogant women. Seriously, you people will eat up cute, cuddly and submissive girly types (Tali and Liara) just because it's easy

Me? I dug Samara and Miranda. Miranda is a woman who shows that females are allowed to be hard as nails, get the job done no matter what and flaunt their stereotypically good bodies on a whim. Her way of doing the right thing is very masculine and I like that. It challenges codes of gender. She's a strong woman and I really like that.

I liked Ash, too. Hard as nails, principled and yet still human. She has more depth than people give her credit for and quite often is misunderstood.

Samara is just fucking sexy.

 

[Kahunaburger]

at least attempts a mature-ish approach to sex

Bioware? Mature? Sex? [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzPmNhsJpbg] More mature than God of War, maybe.

More to the point, your argument still fails for the same reason it failed a couple of days ago - "if you don't spend all of your time pointing out everything everywhere is sexist, you can't point out sexism in a particular instance" is fallacious.

 

[OldGus]

Also, Shepherd and co are implied to be using translation software (referenced at one point), even if it does seem a bit like the Tardis in that it has a remarkable gift for translating whatever is necessary to keep the story going and never seems to go terribly wrong. Still, the Asari aren't actually calling themselves 'Matriarch' or referring to themselves with female pronouns because they aren't actually speaking English, at least not when they speak to each other.

I say fair enough here, since everything except Star Wars has translation devices, especially since it would be even more absurd to imply that they all speak the same language (Star Wars being the exception due to thousands of years of interaction.)
That being said, getting off topic, it would be great, if in fact that was the case, to have some indication as to such, which could easily be worked into the story line just by something easy, like having it fail, or having it meet a language it can't make heads or tails of, or people turning them off for private conversations (which could be interesting in other ways, especially if other characters actually know this language... say you only get a translation if you bring the right characters along.) Hell, one I think would be funny as hell is simply a translation software virus that either screws up the syntax or vocabulary, or randomly inserts words that have no business in the sentence. A virus like that could start a riot not easily solved by local police forces, or screw up negotiations, or cause a temporary crash in the local stock exchange, at least until someone techish gets down there to fix it. Something made even more interesting if the tech people you choose are folks like Mordin and Tali. And something like that could be as interesting and subtle as just changing the emotions the hanar (I think) express, since they have to say that at the beginning of every sentence.

Sorry, off topic.

 

[OldGus]

good lord. I've stated this before. It's not Tali, It's what happend to the species. Hell, I don't take sides, there's no clear right or wrong there's just what happened.

I'm not trying to advance one species over the other here, I'm just trying to tell you guys I understand her anger toward geth for what they did to her homeworld.
If something like that happened to earth, you'd bet I'll be pissed.

my original point wasn't that the quarians had no fault in it, just that i understand why they dislike the geth.

You have to understand. This is the internet. It is a requirement of everyone that their statements be taken out of context. And since argument is the international passtime...

 

[numbersix1979]

Here's my question: if they really, really have to insist on turning Mass Effect into Gears of War Effect, could they at least copy GoW's decision to have female characters wear things that wouldn't be a massive liability in combat?

It's not even that that bothers me so much. Do they really really really have to show off curvy women every fifteen seconds to keep the audience's attention focused on the cutscene? I mean, if a woman wants to dress like a stripper in a combat zone, that's her prerogative. But it's like, really obvious that Bioware thought the characters and story weren't interesting enough for the audience to focus on, so the camera is consistently pulled into Miranda's ass crack and dragged over her cleavage. It just kinda takes me out of the experience, like when you're having this really rich conversation with this character who is usually aloof and demeaning but is now revealing a softer side of her personality by asking for help with something that really means a lot to her, like it's a pivotal moment of character development, and then it's suddenly interrupted by a shot of Miranda's ass coming into the side of the screen and filling it up like a time lapse film of the moon going from new to full. It's juvenile is what it is.

 

[RN7]

It is easy to get lost in the "Bioware face" when you're surrounded by several alien species that are meant to streamline with the humans. That and they obviously designed Miranda to be inferior to Tali. /joking.

 

[Kahunaburger]

Here's my question: if they really, really have to insist on turning Mass Effect into Gears of War Effect, could they at least copy GoW's decision to have female characters wear things that wouldn't be a massive liability in combat?

It's not even that that bothers me so much. Do they really really really have to show off curvy women every fifteen seconds to keep the audience's attention focused on the cutscene? I mean, if a woman wants to dress like a stripper in a combat zone, that's her prerogative. But it's like, really obvious that Bioware thought the characters and story weren't interesting enough for the audience to focus on, so the camera is consistently pulled into Miranda's ass crack and dragged over her cleavage. It just kinda takes me out of the experience, like when you're having this really rich conversation with this character who is usually aloof and demeaning but is now revealing a softer side of her personality by asking for help with something that really means a lot to her, like it's a pivotal moment of character development, and then it's suddenly interrupted by a shot of Miranda's ass coming into the side of the screen and filling it up like a time lapse film of the moon going from new to full. It's juvenile is what it is.

Haha, seriously. I'm pretty sure I remember the exact scene you're talking about because it's pretty memorable just for how completely it ends up getting undermined with the gratuitous ass shot.