Uhh, I dunno, the entire Quarian race is almost identical to the plight of the newer BSG humans.Cooperblack said:If i were to make a list of 20 sci-fi shows that i think Mass Effect took inspiration from, Battlestar Galactica wouldn't be on it.Ghostwise said:Is that a wow because you think I'm right or because you think I am dead wrong? I stand by my statement either way! I'm a dork!Cooperblack said:
In any case Bioware has confessed that the main inspiration for the Reapers comes from H.P Lovecraft's Cthulhu mythos.
Mass Effect - Is what the reapers have been doing really evil?
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"your species has attracted the attention of those infinitely your greater, those that you know as reapers were your salvation through destruction"Warboss Robgutz said:
Harbinger at the end of mass effect 2
They are not entirely machines, they are composed from organic materials as well and seemed to have emotions, no other reason than self pride would motivate Sovereign to reveal to Shepard how great the reapers truly are, and that counts as emotions.AcacianLeaves said:
No I don't think the Reapers are evil, they just lack morals which is different. Let me explain, morals are a set of personal arbitrary rules of what is right and wrong. What is right is good and what is wrong is evil. But would anyone ever have a set of morals that placed themselves on the wrong/evil side? Of course not.
Why the Reapers do this is uncertain and may be explained in ME3, but the biggest indicator is from the end of ME2.
Why the Reapers do this is uncertain and may be explained in ME3, but the biggest indicator is from the end of ME2.
Since the Reapers create more of themselves from melting the genetic material of millions of organics, they may simply be carrying out their version of reproduction. They have no morals when it comes to this goal. They don't believe what they do is right or wrong they just need to do it. They see organics as nothing less than resources. That isn't evil or good just practical, at least for them. Why they feel the need to do this I'm not sure.
I get the feeling ME3 will consist of
a) Gatherings armies to fight the reapers and
b) Finding out who created the reapers, why and what can we make to stop them.
I get the feeling ME3 will consist of
a) Gatherings armies to fight the reapers and
b) Finding out who created the reapers, why and what can we make to stop them.
I think the thing you're missing though is while the Reapers are sort of 'refreshing' the galaxy, allowing new life to grow, they themselves have yet to be exterminated.
So while a forest fire is essentially good for aiding new growth, in the case of the Reapers, it's not really a fair trade off.
They're in control, they don't get destroyed when the rest of the galaxy is wiped out. They're a constant and they're manipulating existing species until they feel it's time for another extinction event.
I see your point, I really do but the fact someone or something is in control of the extinctions, never being harmed themselves means it's something to fight against. Why should the Reapers be allowed to make the decision that destroys every sentient species in the galaxy?
So while a forest fire is essentially good for aiding new growth, in the case of the Reapers, it's not really a fair trade off.
They're in control, they don't get destroyed when the rest of the galaxy is wiped out. They're a constant and they're manipulating existing species until they feel it's time for another extinction event.
I see your point, I really do but the fact someone or something is in control of the extinctions, never being harmed themselves means it's something to fight against. Why should the Reapers be allowed to make the decision that destroys every sentient species in the galaxy?
No, there would be no Rachni wars if there were no Reapers. They controlled the Rachni. I don't remember if it was explained in ME1 or ME2 but Rachni are a peaceful race.Shiftshaper said:
I see your point though but I still consider wiping out entire civilizations evil no matter what reason is behind it.
It's a case of Blue and Orange Morality. (Insert gratuitous TV Tropes link here)
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BlueAndOrangeMorality
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BlueAndOrangeMorality
Firstly, it's suggested that the Rachni were influenced by an outside force as they aren't normally as aggresive as they were when they started the war. This suggests the Reapers were involved somehow.
Secondly, here's a quote from Harbinger himself:
"Surrender your potential against the growing void."
I think the Reapers are preparing for something which they need to fight against, that is why they are making this cyle of extinction as they need more numbers. Something involving dark energy perhaps too...
Secondly, here's a quote from Harbinger himself:
"Surrender your potential against the growing void."
I think the Reapers are preparing for something which they need to fight against, that is why they are making this cyle of extinction as they need more numbers. Something involving dark energy perhaps too...
Correct the Rachni were the first race to be indoctrinated by Sovereign. When you talk to the queen and ask her about the war she says something along the lines of 'we do not know, we were only an egg at the time hearing mother cry in our dreams, there was a discord in our song, a sour yellow tone from space...' that's not verbatim but it's basically what she says. That sour yellow tone was the indoctrination. The Cerberus scientists on the derelict reaper herd a noise in there heads that caused them to go insane and turn them selves into husks (as implied in the video logs etc..) so we can assume that this is the same fate that befell the Rachni.ImprovizoR said:
O.T.
The reapers may or may not be evil and we wont really know until the third and final game is out. There are merits for both arguments. I don't really know which one is correct my self. Someone mentioned that the reapers are forcing the evolution of other races to what the think is the ideal form (i.e. them selves). This could be true as Sovereign says 'we are each a nation, free of all weakness and doubt...' and Legion tells us that the the Geth mobile platforms are an amalgamation of individual Geth, and that the reapers are similar in there organization. Also ask why the reapers were harvesting humans? To build an new reaper? That doesn't make sense at all. If as shown in the game the humans were liquefied into individual cells then put into the infant reaper to make it then that's just stupid as each individual's cells would have different DNA, combining them together in a single organism wouldn't work as each cell would not co-operate with the cells that came form the other humans.
Add to that the genetic variation and different genes each person would have (humans are apparently one of the most genetically divers of the races in the Mass Effect universe as said by Morden) and it all starts to sound a bit silly to me. Why not just abduct one human and use there DNA to create as many clone cells as you need, it would be a lot easier than abducting whole colony's fo shizzl.
Now if you consider that, as mentioned before, they are an amalgamation of individuals in consensus. Then it could be that they needed all the individual humans to create that consensus and that liquefying and processing them into the infant reaper was just a way to cram more people into that reapers consensus.
Guess that we will just have to wait and see what the real crack is when the third game is out.
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When i say the Rachni were the first race to be indoctrinated then i mean in the current cycle of extinction, not the first ones ever if there was any confusion.
If harvesting humans to make a human like reaper. I am curious about the aliens they harvest for all those other reaper (as in does their shape means they harvested that kind of alien).
Also if they have done this why build more and more reapers. I mean the intention was that 1 reaper ship (sovereign) would at least destroy a big part before the others ships would have even arrived. So the question is are they trying to create more and more ships for something else as well.
Never really thought of reapers good or evil. I always seen them as a threat to this universe and therefor i need to beat them.
Also if they have done this why build more and more reapers. I mean the intention was that 1 reaper ship (sovereign) would at least destroy a big part before the others ships would have even arrived. So the question is are they trying to create more and more ships for something else as well.
Never really thought of reapers good or evil. I always seen them as a threat to this universe and therefor i need to beat them.
I always wondered how funny a human shaped ship would look floating through space. I mean really, it'd be pretty ridiculous lookingD Moness said:
The purpose of Sovereign wasn't to prematurely attack by itself and weaken defesnses; according to Virgil and the Prothean research Sovereign was most likely always around in a dormant state waiting for sentient species to evolve so it could open the mass effect releay for the rest of the Reapers and attack in full force.D Moness said:
One Reaper is powerful, but the only reason Soverign attacked by itself at all was because it had no other choice when the Keepers' ignored the command to expose the Citidel to attack.
That can mean anything and to come to the conclusion that they are protecting every civilization in the galaxy against the other beings from other galaxies.. from that is a long shot by far.Anti Nudist Cupcake said:
One might as well speculate that the Reapers despise organic life to the point that they consider that being made into DNA-juice is a form of salvation.
Sure, they may not be evil, but they intend to DESTROY ALL LIFE IN THE GALAXY.
That should be enough to justify a hatred of them.
That should be enough to justify a hatred of them.
I'm Commander Shephard and this is the most un-researched thread in the citadel.
Seriously, dude?
They eat entire races for food, they harvest entire races.
Play Mass Effect 2 to the ending and tell me that they are not evil.
It would be like saying that the Boston Strangler was not evil.
Seriously, dude?
They eat entire races for food, they harvest entire races.
Play Mass Effect 2 to the ending and tell me that they are not evil.
It would be like saying that the Boston Strangler was not evil.