McDonald's Incident (follow up)

[Torrasque]

First of all, if you have no idea what is going on, please read this <url=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.318155-McDonalds-incident?page=1>thread.
After reading that thread (or if you've already posted on it, and know what is up), read <url=http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/woman-beat-pipe-mcdonald-cashier-faces-permanent-brain-damage-mother-claims-article-1.965932>this.

Now that you are up to speed, what do you think of the second article?
Have your feelings towards the women in the first topic, changed after reading this second topic?
Should background checks be more thorough?

Again, if you have not read the first thread, please watch the video and read through a couple pages of dialogue to get up to speed on what is going on. You are useless to the discussion if you have not read it.

Edit: fixed the second link

 

[lacktheknack]

It just goes to show... don't threaten random people. THEY MIGHT BE DO SOMETHING.

 

[PunkyMcGee]

ex-cons need a chance to rehabilitate into society so no on the background check thing. but not let someone with a history of violence work cashier at McDonald's. from experience there is no job more blood boiling than that. also it's only money, and it isn't even his. let the police handle it.

EDIT: I remember there was a $100 bonus for reporting theft and counterfeit bills. so more reason not to flip his shit.

 

[Torrasque]

My feelings about the article:
<quote=nydailynews>Mickey D's employee Rayon McIntosh, 31, used a metal bat to beat Darbeau and pal Rachel Edwards after they jumped behind the counter during a dispute over a $50 billA metal bat? Really? You can clearly see that it is a thin metal rod.
Metal bat implies that it is a lead pipe, something we all agreed on in the first thread, that it is definitely not.
But it gets better.
<quote=nydailynews>Darbeau's mother said her daughter was unarmed and didn't deserve the beating, some of which occurred while she was helpless on the floor.Wow really? Yeah we can all agree that she didn't deserve to be beaten when she was down, but she jumped behind the fucking counter, after slapping the guy, and is chasing him further into the store. So don't even give me that shit.
<quote=nydailynews>"Our concern is the background checks they do at McDonald's," the mother said of McIntosh's employment.

"I believe in second chances. But maybe they should not put people with violent backgrounds dealing with customers."My concern is that a customer that may snap when pushed, has to deal with stupid fucking customers that are violent themselves. I believe that people have the right to try and pass counterfeit bills, but maybe they should not slap and chase someone that they do not know, and be violent when dealing with cashiers.
<quote=nydailynews>"My daughter is just your average 24-year-old," her mother said. "She's fun-loving and full of life. We just want our daughter back the way she was.So she can slap another cashier when they do their job and say "hey, this bill is fake" ?
You know what, I fucking hope she has brain damage. It will be a good example to other douchebag customers, that you don't be a douchebag.
Except if she has brain damage, than McIntosh is pretty much fucked, which will suck.

 

[Agayek]

I think if you are stupid enough to physically attack someone then you lose any and all right to whine when they hit you back and do a much better job of it.
Yeah, of course what McIntosh did was wrong but they should not have have started it. Keep your fucking hands to yourself unless you want a damn good beating.
No pity for the morons.

Plus the "SHE HAS BRAIN DAMAGE!" when even the Doctors say theres no way of telling just positively reeks of another fuckwit just wanting to sue.

100% agreed with this guy. The stupid **** started it, she gets to deal with the consequences.

The guy went a bit far (I'd say the line is drawn at pulling a weapon, if he'd used his fists instead I'd fully support him), but to get pissed when someone hits you back is a bit ridiculous.

 

[Nuclear_Suspect]

I'm with the rest here, woman deserved a good slap-around (Albeit not with a metal rod/bat/whatever it was)

You challenge someone to a fight, you sorta have to concider the possibility that they'll fight back.

As for background checks, if its for criminal records then I dont much mind, sure everybody can make mistakes but if someone is a convicted killer then placing him by the counter where you're verbally assaulted almost every day might not be the best idea.

 

[Zeema]

-"My daughter is just your average 24-year-old"-

What a filthy lie. Now I don't like the Mother either.

yeh i argree in the video she looks like she was about to smack those employers it seems the mother is too blind to see that her Daughter is a Scum.

also im glad she has brain damage because she had done something wrong and paid the price for it. The mother also says 'she was unarmed' but how would a employee know that? for all they know she could have had a Gun or a Shiv.

i rekon the guy Mcintosh was in the right.

Intoxicated? Provoked them and now there upset that there daughter got beat up. its a Lesson Don't Poke the bear and then get upset that it attacked you.

simple as that

Don't defend your daughter when she was in the wrong she has made a mistake and now she must learn from it.

the Mother was not there and i don't believe she can say that 'she didn't deserve it' you see her having a go at the Clerk who is just trying to live his life and make money.

 

[Craorach]

Isn't this the usual cry of the parents of scum?

"They're just like everyone else, friendly, kind, sweet innocent angels!"

You see this in pretty much every news article where someone did something stupid and ended up on the wrong side of it. I've never heard a parent admit that their child turned out to be a little thug that ended up getting into a fight with a person that could actually protect themselves.

I got in a fight with a bigger guy once... I was having a bad day and said something unpleasant to him, something that really upset him, and he gave be a beat down.

Once I got home and told my father... and he demanded to know ALL sides of the story as I was expected and raised to tell the total unbiased truth no matter the repercussions for me personally.. his answer was "so you deserved it then, lesson learned".

By all means, worried mother, be by the bedside of your daughter and I hope she recovers.. but you should admit the truth, your daughter screwed up and attacked someone.

The core problem here isn't the mother however.. it is the news.

They go after the family, they allow emotion and interpretation to enter their reporting. News agencies should report only cold, emotionaless, fact.. none of this should have been reported how it is. It should have been a simple case of a newscaster saying.

"A fight broke out today in a fast food restaurant, following a dispute between customer and staff related to a possibly fake note. The customer verbally and physically attacked a staff member, and after climbing over the counter was attacked in return by the staff member with a weapon. Police are investigating and have charged both involved."

Bam, end of story, no personal details, nothing. This is, regardless of my personal views of it, like 95% of other news NOBODY ELSE'S BUSINESS. News should be impersonal, emotionless and factual and without interpretation.

 

[Torrasque]

Isn't this the usual cry of the parents of scum?

"They're just like everyone else, friendly, kind, sweet innocent angels!"

You see this in pretty much every news article where someone did something stupid and ended up on the wrong side of it. I've never heard a parent admit that their child turned out to be a little thug that ended up getting into a fight with a person that could actually protect themselves.

I got in a fight with a bigger guy once... I was having a bad day and said something unpleasant to him, something that really upset him, and he gave be a beat down.

Once I got home and told my father... and he demanded to know ALL sides of the story as I was expected and raised to tell the total unbiased truth no matter the repercussions for me personally.. his answer was "so you deserved it then, lesson learned".

By all means, worried mother, be by the bedside of your daughter and I hope she recovers.. but you should admit the truth, your daughter screwed up and attacked someone.

The core problem here isn't the mother however.. it is the news.

They go after the family, they allow emotion and interpretation to enter their reporting. News agencies should report only cold, emotionaless, fact.. none of this should have been reported how it is. It should have been a simple case of a newscaster saying.

"A fight broke out today in a fast food restaurant, following a dispute between customer and staff related to a possibly fake note. The customer verbally and physically attacked a staff member, and after climbing over the counter was attacked in return by the staff member with a weapon. Police are investigating and have charged both involved."

Bam, end of story, no personal details, nothing. This is, regardless of my personal views of it, like 95% of other news NOBODY ELSE'S BUSINESS. News should be impersonal, emotionless and factual and without interpretation.

The original story TDW that sparked my interest to this, was cold and impartial.
This however, is like most other news outlets, and goes with the "untarnished soul of the young girl", and TO HELL WITH THE GUY WHO KILLED HIS CLASSMATE BEFORE.
I really hope that McIntosh isn't entirely blamed for this, I would seriously do something about it if the girl gets off scott free.

 

[Nouw]

My opinion is unchanged. They're both in the wrong. The guy should have stopped when she was on the floor and the victim shouldn't have jumped over. Sad to see that there might be some long-lasting physical damage to the person. Both deserve to be punished accordingly. Both need to go under some kind of rehabilitation.

And people here are glad that she might/has brain-damage? That's lower than both of them.

 

[Slaanesh]

She calls a person explicit words, slaps him, chases him over the counter and didn't expect him to fight back? And the mother says she may have brain damage now?

Girl was obviously touched in the head before this incident. The beating probably helped her.

 

[DanielBrown]

I've seen the video, so I know her pwecious wittle dawter isn't innocent at all. I posted in the first thread that I thought he used way too much violence, but that it was still self-defense. She attacked first and jumped the counter with her friend.

So tired of parents crying out to the media, trying to convince us that their kids are angels and didn't deserve what was coming, like the case with the Australian bully who got beaten up.

 

[pyrokin]

Wait, she didn't have brain damage before the incident? Surprising, to say the least. She deserved it, none the less. She provoked the man, she got hit, she deserved it, end of story.

 

[pyrokin]

So tired of parents crying out to the media, trying to convince us that their kids are angels and didn't deserve what was coming, like the case with the Australian bully who got beaten up.

Can you give me a link to that story please?

 

[Arawn]

The girl's family trying to play the victim is useless at this point. She lost a fight she started. I'm curious to how this story would have went if it was the reverse. What if she grabbed a mop and beat him up? Would anyone be cry tears for the ex-con?

 

[Superbeast]

Dear god, the user-base of the Escapist disgusts me at times.

Was the woman right to slap the bloke and jump the counter? No.
Was the bloke right to defend himself? Yes.

Was he right to grab a metal rod (however flimsy it appears to be - after all, it may be bending because of how hard he's smacking her), and then continue to beat her when she's down? Hell no.

The amount of people saying that they're glad she has brain damage, or that she deserved it, is simply sickening.

Both parties deserve to be punished by the law, and you can claim that one, or both, are scum and that is fine, it is your opinion. But to effectively condone beating someone so hard that they might have brain damage? To express my true feelings would probably get me banned...let's just say that you should probably have a good look in a mirror.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Dear god, the user-base of the Escapist disgusts me at times.

Was the woman right to slap the bloke and jump the counter? No.
Was the bloke right to defend himself? Yes.

Was he right to grab a metal rod (however flimsy it appears to be - after all, it may be bending because of how hard he's smacking her), and then continue to beat her when she's down? Hell no.

The amount of people saying that they're glad she has brain damage, or that she deserved it, is simply sickening.

Both parties deserve to be punished by the law, and you can claim that one, or both, are scum and that is fine, it is your opinion. But to effectively condone beating someone so hard that they might have brain damage? To express my true feelings would probably get me banned...let's just say that you should probably have a good look in a mirror.

Exactly. Hell, if you can give a guy a second chance for manslaughter, wishing permanent brain damage for that seems a bit odd.