ME players, some help please?

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1) Criminal behavior, violent, low intelligence, strong, unstable, low moral standards
Krogan

2) Without a homeland, compared to vermin, resource hoarders, thieves, loyal to their own first and foremost, secretive
Quarians

3) Emotional, sensative, crafters of compromise, physically weak, use looks to manipulate
Asari, although not necessarily "weak".

4) Job stealers, recent arrivals, entering in large numbers, manipulate the system
Humans

5) Great at Math and Science, timid, infatuated with technology, reserved, logical
Salarian

6) Militant, strict codes of conduct / severe punishment for breaking them, men dominating public sphere
Turian

Good luck with that project of yours.
 

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Loop Stricken said:
Everyone calling the Asari weak are wrong, by the way.

I don't like asari. I think they're one of the most overrated sci-fi races ever, and take precious time away from Tali's fine ass.
But weak, they are not. Every single one of them is a biotic, so that's giving them the edge against a massive amount of the populace. Otherwise they're about as strong as humans, I believe.

Otherwise I agree with the overwhelming majority.
I believe that compared to some of the ME races they are a little physically weak, but they get the vote on #3 almost entirely because they're a race that practically screams diplomacy, and using one's looks to their advantage.
 

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Trillovinum said:
ClockworkUniverse said:
1)Vorcha
2)Quarians
3)Asari
4)Humans
5)Salarians
6)Turians

Though I think much of the point in the game is that these stereotypes are how the characters in the game perceive the groups, but aren't necessarily entirely true. Though the story never really bothered with a deeper examination of the Vorcha, admittedly.
Actually, there's a bit in the Leviathan DLC of ME3 where you can travel to the Vorcha homeworld (just for the scanning) and there's quite a bit of information about the vorcha to be had in the planet descriptions. For example how their culture revolves around physical domination of others and also that this is not necessarily innate as a group of vorcha raised from infancy by Asari showed to be very peaceful and open to and even capable of reasonable discussion.
Ah, that's excellent. Good to know they did something to address that. I really need to play those post-Extended Cut DLCs.
 

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Mylinkay Asdara said:
1) Criminal behavior, violent, low intelligence, strong, unstable, low moral standards
Bloodpack Mercs.

Mylinkay Asdara said:
2) Without a homeland, compared to vermin, resource hoarders, thieves, loyal to their own first and foremost, secretive
Quarians.

Mylinkay Asdara said:
3) Emotional, sensative, crafters of compromise, physically weak, use looks to manipulate
Omega. IE: Aria. She is Omega, after all.

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4) Job stealers, recent arrivals, entering in large numbers, manipulate the system
I'm guessing the answer is supposed to be Humans. Job stealers, however, instantly makes me think of VI. Those damn computer programs keep taking jobs from hard working humans!

Mylinkay Asdara said:
5) Great at Math and Science, timid, infatuated with technology, reserved, logical
Salarians.

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6) Militant, strict codes of conduct / severe punishment for breaking them, men dominating public sphere
Humans.
 

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If you give this survey and people respond to it in public, it kinda loses its value as a survey, as previous answers may influence later answers. It's good as a brainstorming though.
 

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1) Criminal behavior, violent, low intelligence, strong, unstable, low moral standards
Vorcha, Batarians

2) Without a homeland, compared to vermin, resource hoarders, thieves, loyal to their own first and foremost, secretive
Vorcha

3) Emotional, sensative, crafters of compromise, physically weak, use looks to manipulate
Asari, Hanar, Elcor

4) Job stealers, recent arrivals, entering in large numbers, manipulate the system
Volus, Humans

5) Great at Math and Science, timid, infatuated with technology, reserved, logical
Geth, Salarian, Quarian

6) Militant, strict codes of conduct / severe punishment for breaking them, men dominating public sphere
Krogan, Turian
 

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Interesting.

Mylinkay Asdara said:
1) Criminal behavior, violent, low intelligence, strong, unstable, low moral standards
Vorcha.

I would say Krogan here, but I would disagree with the idea that they have low intelligence or low moral standards. A lot of the older Krogan you meet seem to be pretty philosophical, and they have a very strong honour culture which could definitely be read as a moral system.

Mylinkay Asdara said:
2) Without a homeland, compared to vermin, resource hoarders, thieves, loyal to their own first and foremost, secretive
Quarians.

Mylinkay Asdara said:
3) Emotional, sensative, crafters of compromise, physically weak, use looks to manipulate
Asari. Although I don't think they're particularly physically weak, it's not their primary strength so I guess it does come across that way.

Mylinkay Asdara said:
4) Job stealers, recent arrivals, entering in large numbers, manipulate the system
Humans.

Mylinkay Asdara said:
5) Great at Math and Science, timid, infatuated with technology, reserved, logical
Could be Quarians or Salarians, but neither seem particularly timid or reserved to me. Other than the kids on their pilgrimage, a lot of the Quarians come off as idealistic hotheads. So I guess I would say Salarians.

Oh fuck.. Geth. I totally blanked them out for a second. I guess they could apply too, although timid seems to imply a bit more emotion than the Geth have.

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6) Militant, strict codes of conduct / severe punishment for breaking them, men dominating public sphere
Turians.
 

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3) Emotional, sensative, crafters of compromise, physically weak, use looks to manipulate
Loop Stricken said:
Everyone calling the Asari weak are wrong, by the way.

I don't like asari. I think they're one of the most overrated sci-fi races ever, and take precious time away from Tali's fine ass.
But weak, they are not. Every single one of them is a biotic, so that's giving them the edge against a massive amount of the populace. Otherwise they're about as strong as humans, I believe.

Otherwise I agree with the overwhelming majority.
I suggest you reread that. It is not being stated that the Asari are weak. It is stated that they are physically weak in the opening, which they are in the ME universe, when removed of their Biotics. I source that further down also.

Loalrikowki said:
It surprises me to see so many people throwing Asari under the bus as being physically weak emotional, and manipulative. Their centuries of youth are spent in physical condition equivalent to the human prime. At the genetic level, Asari are the most dominant organisms in the known galaxy - they can reproduce with pretty much any species and generate what amounts to a fully Asari offspring. Justicars are ice cold, Morinth and Benezia were both exemplars of how formidable Asari could be as well. Random Asari matriarchs have made up a significant portion of the mercenary captains and criminal bosses you run into throughout the games.

I don't know if you were looking for a tendency to apply feminine stereotypes there, but it's the first thing that jumped out at me from reading this thread.
You seem to be either attempting to portray the Asari and the question as differently here, or ignorant of ME lore.

First, Asari are not that physically strong. To say they 'spend centuries in their youth in a physical condition close to the human prime' is wrong. While they may be more agile than the typical human, and having more Biotic capability, they are much weaker physically than a fit human.

In comparison to the Council races, humans are roughly physically on par with turians (as very fit humans can punch them over and even throw them off the ground unassisted), and less agile than asari (whom they closely resemble), though fit human males are likely to be far stronger than the average asari.
That is lifted straight from the Mass Effect Wiki. [http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Human]

As for Emotional, you seem to be treating that as a negative word for some reason. While I'm not sure if I'd say that Emotional or Sensative are the best traits to give to Asari, I would say that two other closely related traits would describe them much better, Sensual and Passionate. Also, the Asari are by far the most diplomatic race in ME. It was by their efforts that the Council was created.

And yes, Asari can be manipulative. That's something any race can be though. The part that you are neglecting to look at though is that the OP states "uses looks to manipulate", which is something that is most closely related to the Asari. The Asari are about the only race to use their looks and their sexuality as an advantage, especially when it comes to other races. Even then though, the Asari are perhaps the best manipulators out of all the ME races regardless. For some examples:

Nassana Dantius - Used Shepard to kill her sister that threatened to black mail her under the pretense of a rescue mission

Aria - Started off as a dancer on Omega, but used that as a ploy to cover up her real intentions of taking over the station

Alestia Iallis - Infiltrated a group of scientists on Peak 15, once Shepard attempted to create a cure, she ambushed the Commander in an attempt to stop him

Rana Thanoptis - Uses Shepard's mercy to hop from one fringe, unethical, scientific pursuit to another

Morinth - Do I even need to go into how she manipulates people? Not to mention she grants the Biotic power Dominate, which is literally just bending someone else's will.

Liara - She became the Shadow Broker. Nuff said!

And the amazingly high number of Asari strippers.

Point of it is, while the first two might be a bit off (at most), the last three are traits that can very much be used to describe Asari. They are diplomatic, physically not that strong, and are the most prominent race to use their appearance to their advantage. The question posed originally is which race you identify with what set of characteristics, and 3-5 out of 5 total traits can be pretty easily linked with the Asari.
 

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1) Criminal behavior, violent, low intelligence, strong, unstable, low moral standards

vorcha,

2) Without a homeland, compared to vermin, resource hoarders, thieves, loyal to their own first and foremost, secretive

quarian

3) Emotional, sensative, crafters of compromise, physically weak, use looks to manipulate

asari

4) Job stealers, recent arrivals, entering in large numbers, manipulate the system

humans

5) Great at Math and Science, timid, infatuated with technology, reserved, logical

salarian

6) Militant, strict codes of conduct / severe punishment for breaking them, men dominating public sphere

turian
 

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I was going to do a quick response here just to thank everyone for keeping this going and answering, but you guys are being so generous about giving your data that I wanted to address some issues and concerns you've brought up (In no particular order)

Conza said:
Ok, now it makes sense, groups threw me, a hugely defining word, I thought I was trying to match the first phrase with a word/description that followed that I associated it most with.
I was going to use Races but Species would have been more for Mass Effect and... group just seemed generic enough. I ended up changing it in the written format for submission to another class to "co-culture" because that's the terminology that's being used in that class - but yeah. Specificity issue, I apologize.

spartan231490 said:
Disturbingly, this was much easier for the ME universe than the RL universe, PC must be infecting my mind >_<
The Crotch said:
The choices were tailored specifically to the ME universe. Some of those trait combinations don't easily apply to any real-world ethnic stereotypes, especially the third (though some have rightfully questioned whether or not "physically weak" is accurate when describing asari, too).
I had to stretch a few - I wanted them to be recognizable to my classmates (who also took this survey, but for RL results) as well as Mass Effect players. The class covered race & gender & class - though there aren't really any class questions on the survey specifically - if I had remembered the Vorcha I might have tried to spin that one as a class question, I really wish I had - but I'm learning a great deal from the data on 1 particularly as people have been coming out with Vorcha much much more than I anticipated and I've been able to PM a follow up question to those who do to inquire as to why, which has given my paper another dimension.

I'm also noting the disagreement with Asari being categorized as physically weak. That is also very interesting and something that I will be including in my discussion of this survey. I added that part with hesitation - I too find it a stretch to think of Asari as weak - the fact is that I added that specifically for the RL side of the survey, since the point that women are stereotyped as weak historically has been stressed in that class. The non-association of that trait with an entirely female race is important, the debate about it here is informative, and the fact that it is being contested supports my theory that some games can make us reevaluate stereotypes we encounter in the real world.


tautologico said:
If you give this survey and people respond to it in public, it kinda loses its value as a survey, as previous answers may influence later answers. It's good as a brainstorming though.
Valid observation. I looked into private survey systems, but most of them required a subscription and other barriers to using them on a small scale so I pretty much felt like taking it to the forums was an only option with time constraints etc. Initially I encouraged the double option of responding privately or publicly, but I'm not at all surprised that most people went for public and I'm not really worried about the influence on the survey answers as this is - as is above noted - a bit of a rigged response survey, as in there are responses I expect given the descriptions I've provided.

Again - seriously - thank you all so much for the support and participation. I was really thinking I was doomed when this flopped at Bioware, you guys are really saving my bacon - so if you have any questions please ask away. I will do my best to be transparent and respond promptly as classes allow.

This paper is due in 2 weeks for presentation, so I'll probably post to close this thread sometime next week - if it doesn't naturally die out beforehand - to "close" the response period and probably thank you all profusely again.
 

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Mylinkay Asdara said:
I was going to use Races but Species would have been more for Mass Effect and... group just seemed generic enough. I ended up changing it in the written format for submission to another class to "co-culture" because that's the terminology that's being used in that class - but yeah. Specificity issue, I apologize.
No worries, if I had read ahead one post I would've got the jist of it, only realised I didn't get it when someone quoted me ;) hope my data is useful, are there right answers? (And did I get them all right?).
 

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Conza said:
Mylinkay Asdara said:
I was going to use Races but Species would have been more for Mass Effect and... group just seemed generic enough. I ended up changing it in the written format for submission to another class to "co-culture" because that's the terminology that's being used in that class - but yeah. Specificity issue, I apologize.
No worries, if I had read ahead one post I would've got the jist of it, only realised I didn't get it when someone quoted me ;) hope my data is useful, are there right answers? (And did I get them all right?).
Well that's a bit of a sticky question. There are expected answers - what I thought people would say in majority or secondary answers - and there are unexpected answers - things I didn't think of or hadn't considered. There are no wrong answers though, no, because all of the data is valuable and a deviation from what I expected has its own story to tell.
 

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1) Criminal behavior, violent, low intelligence, strong, unstable, low moral standards
Vorcha

2) Without a homeland, compared to vermin, resource hoarders, thieves, loyal to their own first and foremost, secretive
Uh, no one?

I mean, some of those descriptions might fit the Quarians best, but the Quarians aren't shown to be thieves, despite being thought of as such by the other races - in fact, they're shown to be quite honorable, despite their predicament.

3) Emotional, sensative, crafters of compromise, physically weak, use looks to manipulate
Probably Asari, though if it wasn't for the Emotional bit, I would've said Salarians as well.

4) Job stealers, recent arrivals, entering in large numbers, manipulate the system
Humans

5) Great at Math and Science, timid, infatuated with technology, reserved, logical
Salarians

6) Militant, strict codes of conduct / severe punishment for breaking them, men dominating public sphere
Turians
 

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1) Criminal behavior, violent, low intelligence, strong, unstable, low moral standards
- Vorcha; Turkish immigrants

2) Without a homeland, compared to vermin, resource hoarders, thieves, loyal to their own first and foremost, secretive
- Quarian; Gipsies

3) Emotional, sensative, crafters of compromise, physically weak, use looks to manipulate
- Asari; women ;) (please take this with a grain of salt :p )

4) Job stealers, recent arrivals, entering in large numbers, manipulate the system
- Humans; dunno

5) Great at Math and Science, timid, infatuated with technology, reserved, logical
- Salarians; Asians, especially the Japanese (what with their creepy increasingly human-ish robots)

6) Militant, strict codes of conduct / severe punishment for breaking them, men dominating public sphere[/quote]
- Turians, Krogans; American politicians

yes, blatantly stereotypical, but i blame the interwebbz for that, and not myself ;)
pretty please don't stone me to death for that