ME3: How to Preserve Tali's Mystique When the Mask is Off

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Tony2077

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Freechoice said:
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Why? Why there has to be tragedy and death? Death is just easy and lazy way to crate drama and provoke emotion. If you want to get depressed fine, i do not. There is nothing wrong and there will be nothing lost if they reveal Tali's face.
Because the Reapers invaded Earth and killed a child in the demo. Clearly, death is on the table for Bioware. Besides, I wouldn't get depressed over Tali dying in dramatic fashion after having fought to preserve everything she knows and holds dear. If anything, I'd feel renewed in my vindication to stop the galactic menace over the loss of a beloved crew member whom I had come to know through trial, tribulation and thousands of hyperkinetic slugs.

Off-topic: Your post reminded me of an episode of State of the Game. Good stuff.

tony2077 said:
i went through hell in mass effect 2 to keep my crew alive I'll do it again so don't screw with me
Or what? You'll come at me, bro?

Over what? A video game?

I played on insanity the first time around and the only reason I lost anyone was because of the retarded karma system that didn't let me succeed as a neutral Shepard. Paragon or renegade? CHOOSE ************. Oh right, you can't because that's one freedom we don't allow you in this massive space opera.

But I suppose I must acquiesce to your demand. You did go through hell after all.
i think I've only finished on normal or was it on easy. my pc ones are all veteran i believe have to check
 

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A Raging Emo said:
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I think they should do whatever makes the Talimancers the most unhappy.
Make the Quarians look like Doctor Zoidberg?
Not enough, Make the Quarians look like Zoidberg and Predator had a love child which then used the Dark side of the force to much and go thrown in lava.
 

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Well Quarians were already described in one of the books so the Xenomorph idea is unlikely to say the least.
 

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Y'know, as much as I like Tali 'as a character', I couldn't care less if they left the mask on. You see enough of her face through the mask to see that she isn't some molerat/zoidberg hybrid, she's more of an elf with glowy eyes.
 

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NightmareLuna said:
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Honestly, I don't understand why Talimancer-haters why Tali to be ugly?
If you don't like the character, then why do you give a shit? If some people liked a character that much, why ruin it for them?
Because this is the internet and gaming is serious business! No one can escape the bashing of others.

Haters will be haters. If anon actually brings down the internet (fat chance though), the haters will go cry into their lonely pillows because they cannot hate on the internet. Oh how glorious it would be.
I know, right? I start a thread regarding a hypothetical subject and the responses range from long winded refutations that miss the points entirely, the impugnment of my integrity (someone insinuated that this was fan fic), some genuinely good humor and opinions on what Tali looks like.

The last thing is the most unrelated of the three and thus the politest.

I love the internet.
 

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Talimancers are beyond creepy and strange. If we WERE to see tali's face, I would like it to be strange/slightly unattractive. Why? I'd rather her be a genuine interesting character/alien than some amalgamation of fetishes and fantasies for the weirdos.
 

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I like the OP's scenario but it does come off as a bit silly if Tali was romanced in part 2.

Re Tali's eye-appeal, I hope she's scaled (like turians) and plain. Not beautiful, not ugly, just a woman. I always liked that Liara looks kinda butch - even though I suspect it was done to protect her as a LI for straight femsheps.

Not all aliens can be supermodels, after all.
 

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What sort of situation calls for taking Tali's mask off anyways? You take it off, she dies. The whole thing is redonk.
 

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Freechoice said:
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Escapist, how I love thee. The predictable pedantism and omnipresent pseudo-intellectualism that always comes off as dickishness. Like a fucking swiss watch.

1. No.

2. You set the scene and contrive a reason. Of course it sounds shitty on paper. You contextualize it or put it into play and it comes off much better.

3. She's making a personal address to Legion, the kind where it's supposed to be an extremely significant victory for both her and the Geth as a whole for an aforementioned reason. I know Legion doesn't speak for the collective Geth, but you know what's cool about him (and fuck it, it's a him)? He has an IRC with every other Geth and can query them at FTL. This falls back on the contrivance because Keelah knows Bioware is okay with those, I may as well layer on another.
Council doesn't believe you in ME1? Ok, racist assholes. Council still doesn't believe you in ME2 even after beating Saren and/or installing the human council? Bullshit. Basically everyone that wasn't on the Normandy or isn't Martin Sheen doesn't believe you about the Reapers even after killing one and having real fucking evidence about it? Fuck it.

4. It's funny how you mention cliches because Bioware seems to be a big fan of those [http://rampantgames.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/bwcliches.png] in addition to the contrived BS to drive the plot. Besides, you add enough emotion to anything and you can basically have a touching scene i.e., The Hurt Locker. Realism? Believability? Common sense? Fuck it all. When in doubt, melodrama.
Sorry, if I came off as dickish. I guess I did over examine your piece but I also said it was viablely a good idea just not the best. Alas.

1. I should probably have re-checked this before questioning as the last time I played a ME game was at least over a year ago. But I admit that I got this wrong. Though I do have to question now if the Reapers had tried to sway the Geth forces previously and pretty much failed apart from the 'small' sect of heretics that followed Sovereign, then why would they bother again? Especially as indoctrination has only been shown to work on organic lifeforms rather than AIs. Just seems like a waste of time for a machine race that already has experience in killing the whole galaxy. Also the Reaper wouldn't need to land on the planet in order to try and turn them. The Geth on the Quarin homeworld mostly exist in computer networks on orbiting space stations.

2. Thats true but not always. But it still sounds like the scene would happen if this type of scenario came up rather than the product of choice where Shepard decides not to put a leash on Tali when she decides to mess with the Geth systems or something.

3. That may be but as I said it sounds really confusing seeing as there was no mention how she may have been involved in the fight aprat from messing around with a terminal. I understand it's meant to be a situation specific version of "We did it." line but all the same. Yes Legion does have that ability but in order to do that he (Since Legion's badass) has to be in pretty close proximity to other geth platforms to execute it. Additionally, as I already said the Geth aren't going to hand the planet on a platter back to their creator's after one gets killed fighting something they have don't have any real interest in (the Dyson Sphere concerns them more), unless they knew for sure that they weren't being scrapped the moment the Quarians returned.
Now I don't quite understand what point you're trying to make in the second half of 3 however since I didn't protect the council in ME and only had the human council headed by Anderson in ME2, the impression that Anderson gave me was not so much they didn't believe the Reapers existed rather that public knowledge of an universally destructive machine race was not something they needed after the council had been killed and things were just getting back on track. Also the chance of people believing someone who had supposedly died and also helped support a human only council after the questionable circumstances in which the orignal council had perished is pretty low.

4. I never said that Bioware didn't include a trainload of cliches in ME and it's other games just that it would be better if we didn't encourage anymore. Also I didn't question the emotional merit of the scene just that it would look weird for fem/Shep staring at a dead Tali for a second before jumping up, yelling mission accomplished and riding a rocket Legion to the normandy whilst clutching a blanket covered Tali.

Evil Teddie said:
What sort of situation calls for taking Tali's mask off anyways? You take it off, she dies. The whole thing is redonk.
Aside from getting it on with Shepard and flying on the migrant fleet, I'd say the fact she was on her home planet makes it okay... Wait I just realised something crucial!

At OP:
If Tali visits her home planet,why would she wait until she is about to kick the bucket to take her mask off? Plot error!
 
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I hope she's ugly, or at least, not beautiful in the conventional sense. She's never gooing to be as amazingly gorgeous as her fanclub wants her to be, so why try to please them? Why do they care so much about her face? That's not what they fell in love with. She should be ugly, seperate the men from the boys.
 

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ravenshrike said:
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Honestly, I would love it most if it turns out that quarians actually end up resembling a cross between a naked mole rat and Spyro in [Skylanders.

The ensuring shitstorm would be hilarious!

Personally, I don't care whether or not her face (or quarian faces in general) is shown.
Doesn't make sense as maleshep isn't in the psych ward at the start of 3.
It's already been established that the strength of Shepard's mind is astonishing...what with all the brain scrambling he/she goes through in ME 1. :p

A Raging Emo said:
Kahunaburger said:
I think they should do whatever makes the Talimancers the most unhappy.
Make the Quarians look like Doctor Zoidberg?
And they all have to sound like him too. Their masks include a voice modulator that makes them sound the way they do, but without it they're all making trill shrieks and woop-woop-woop sounds. :p

xD "Look at me! I'm Tali'Zorah...HOME OWNER!"

Fits just too perfectly!!
 

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Side note? I think by lore they're already described as looking fairly humanoid.
 

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Nile McMorrow said:
If Tali visits her home planet,why would she wait until she is about to kick the bucket to take her mask off? Plot error!
Because after so long on the Migrant Fleet, their immune systems would still need time to adapt, even to their own planet. Tali says herself that the difference between living on their home planet over settling on a new one is decades of adaptation, rather than centuries.
 

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1nfinite_Cros5 said:
I'd actually prefer to keep her face masked.

BUT. Hear me out.

I think people who pursue a romance with her deserve SOMETHING. That something is, while not removing the mask at all, give them an idea of what she, and other quarians, look like. This:
EmperorSubcutaneous said:
Easiest solution: show another quarian's face (probably a dead one), but don't show Tali's. Now we know what quarians look like, but people can still imagine Tali's face looking like whatever they want, for the most part.
Sounds pretty good, but what I had in mind was showing a young, unmasked Tali in an old picture, posing with her family or something. You just stumble across it and only look at it briefly before moving on. It'll unveil what they look like WHILE still keeping the intrigue and speculation in the air.

Best possible way, in my opinion.
I thought about something like this, too. Actually, I found it somehow silly that nobody knows how the quarians look like; it's only been 300 years since they ended up in suits (unless they were always in suits, which I don't think it's the case). There would be some records of their anatomy and looks. Just like we know from paintings how people looked like 300 years ago. If we all end up in suits now, in 300 years, we would still have data of how we look like. Prior to the war with the geth, they were obviously a part of the Citadel and had an embassy there. Unless they always wore suits when in contact with other species, their pre-suits looks would be common knowledge.

Anyway, I am curious as to what Tali looks like, but I would be satisfied if they only show how quarians generally look like. Maybe what you suggested, seeing little Tali without a mask in an old picture or something. That would be a really nice touch, especially to see her with her family, before her parents died.
 

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Well there ARE suitless quarians walking around at the time the games are set in. There's that operation advertised in-game with its massive 70% death rate, and there will be images and whatnot on the... extranet, is it called?

I guess people in-universe just don't care all that much apart from when they actually know a quarian personally.
 

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Tree man said:
Secret world leader (shhh) said:
I hope she's ugly, or at least, not beautiful in the conventional sense. She's never gooing to be as amazingly gorgeous as her fanclub wants her to be, so why try to please them? Why do they care so much about her face? That's not what they fell in love with. She should be ugly, seperate the men from the boys.
Or the creepy from the unbelievably creepy. who falls in love with a character from a game............................who isn't Liara?

Mmmmm, da head tentacles.
With ya on that one. Fuck yea, Chthulu [http://zeboyd.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Boxart15.png]. Although those are more like beard tentacles. Beardacles? I digest. Wait, that has an additional joke. Squid. Calamari. Calamri Damacy! Squid spirit!


Loop Stricken said:
Nile McMorrow said:
If Tali visits her home planet,why would she wait until she is about to kick the bucket to take her mask off? Plot error!
Because after so long on the Migrant Fleet, their immune systems would still need time to adapt, even to their own planet. Tali says herself that the difference between living on their home planet over settling on a new one is decades of adaptation, rather than centuries.
'preciate the save there, bucko.