ME3 lovers/haters, can we please reach an understanding?

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NinjaDeathSlap

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Beryl77 said:
Fans will never reach an understanding. They are just too many and they're too different. If someone likes something, someone else will dislike it and then complain about it. They won't just accept it, just like you complain about the complainers and don't simply accept it that people will always complain.
Take for example the trailers. The trailers for ME2 contained more information about the story that the trailers for ME3. What did people do? They obviously complained about the spoilers. Now there are nearly only action scenes in the trailers and people complain again.

No offense but to me, this thread is just the same as the threads who ***** about ME3. You do basically the same but that's fine, it's what forums are made for. You can say what you don't like and then people have discussions about it. I don't see the problem with the complaints, it's Bioware who has to handle them, not us and they know that whatever they'll do, people will complain.
To clarify, I'm not asking people to all suddenly agree on everything and live happily ever after, not only would that be impossible it would also be very boring. My problem is that what's going on right now has passed the stage where you have two sides who disagree and debate fiercely about it, to two sides who disagree and just act like total dick weeds to each other about it for no reason, accomplishing nothing and leaving everyone stupider for the experience.

People are free to like/dislike whatever they want, they are also free to praise/complain about whatever they want. I have no problem with that. All I'm asking is can people please have a little more validity in their arguments, and to show people, even people they're arguing with, some basic level of respect and common courtesy. I am well aware of the greater internet fuckwad theory, but to be honest I'm just sick and tired of it. I don't see why we should all just accept it. Being behind a keyboard does not suddenly make people incapable of being considerate.
 

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I wish both groups could come to the realization that they are bothing blowing everything out of proportions. And I mean fucking everything, not a single thing that people rave about are thought out or hold any meaning whatsoever. This stems from three things, Biodrones that think that everthing that Bioware touches is like the second coming, Biohaters that think everything that modern Bioware does is absolute shit, and the fact the THE FUCKING GAME ISN'T EVEN FUCKING OUT YET YOU SILY FUCKS.
 

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Lagao said:
I love all the bioware games and dont really care what others say.

well except that sonic game.
I forgot about that game haha it took me a second to figure out what you were referring to. Yes, I did not enjoy that one very much.

One of the problems with the hate for Bioware in particular is that while yes it is true that the Bioware developed the games, they were done largely by different teams within the company, so a lot of the design aesthetics and decision-making is not entirely congruent from game to game. I will admit that when I played through Dragon Age 2 (which I did not enjoy), it made me nervous about Mass Effect 3. Mass Effect 2 is one of my three favorite games ever and I was very upset that perhaps ME3 would fall victim to... well, whatever it is that happened to DA2.

That might certainly be the case. I guess I'll find out next month. I'm purposefully keeping myself in the dark about pretty much everything so I can come into it not knowing anything. Me and my Shepard have been through 80-odd hours together and I'm going to see it through no matter what, although I doubt that ME3 in any case will be as amazing an improvement over ME2 as ME2 was over ME1.

As far as the hate (and rabid support) goes, it's not surprising. Nothing makes us happier as people than finding others who agree with us (the stronger they agree with us the better), and then telling everyone who disagrees with us how stupid they are.

I already took the day off of work for Mass Effect 3, and while I may end up being thoroughly disappointed or finding my own personal Jesus, I don't expect anyone else to care, and I don't especially care whether they think I'm wrong! Enjoy what you enjoy, and hate what you hate.
 

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I agree with you OP. I would never begrudge anybody their opinion. I just want their arguments to be less shit.

I like the LOTR argument people sometimes use to defend being a dick to first timers. If you use the same logic they're applying then ticket takers should have been asking to see the stub for the previous film before letting you buy the ticket for the next one.

Zeel summed it up ever so eloquently. "Didn't play ME1 - Fuck you!" (Could be applied to all PS3 players if you really wanted.)

but the "Biobots" are the ones with shit arguments....
 

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RanD00M said:
THE FUCKING GAME ISN'T EVEN FUCKING OUT YET YOU SILY FUCKS.
Quite.

It is absolutely absurd that we even NEED a thread like this for a game that isn't even out yet. Boggles the mind!
 

Frostbite3789

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Tiswas said:
None of my problems with the ME franchise are listed there. So I'll continue to go on bitching that I have to either pay out the ass for a console I don't want (360) or a new PC just so I can play the first game in a continuing franchise that has been released on the PS3.

Would you watch Lord of the Rings trilogy without first watching fellowship? I think not. So give us the first game on the PS3 and I'll probably purchase the 2nd and 3rd games.
That's completely on Microsoft and not Bioware. So your bitching about Bioware is pretty unfounded.

Microsoft own the rights to ME1, not to mention Bioware went out of their way to create Genesis to help get PS3 owners acclimated to the story, and even make the bigger decisions. So, no you don't have to do any of the things you listed.
 

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No understanding can be reached. my opinion is the only opinion that can be correct. resistance is futile: you will be assimilated.
 

Aircross

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My only beef with ME3 is EA forcing people to install their spyware disguised as a digital distribution service if they want to play ME3.

I wouldn't hesitate to get it if it was on Steam.
 

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Im just hope that the lore in mass effect 3 doesn't take a leap off the cliff like the latest novel (lorewise). Im getting that dragon age 2 vibe again. I guess we will see when its out.
 

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boag said:
Dont forget about the MEME bandwagon, when the new catch phrase gets used more than the town bicycle.
You know, I used to ride the town bicycle..... and then I took an arrow in the spokes.

I'm sorry, but it was too easy. I don't understand why people get sooo mad over these new memes. Even if they are overused all you do is propagate them when you rage.

0.32 to the end is the relevant portion.

You may counter-meme me if you feel it is necessary. Any meme, any meme at all.

I am prepared for the worst...

OT- Aaaannnyyy way instead of hating on the game for things we only know next to nothing about why don't we hate on it for things we do know. I for one despise the plot holes that have been appearing in both ME and DA. It detracts from the importance of my decisions if Bioware is just going to decide to "one size fits all" the plot holes.

It makes me sad. : ? (

Not even mad, just annoyed, when everyone and their mother is repeating the same joke add nausea-um it gets staler than a 2 dollars whores cootch.
 

Mahoshonen

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There can never be an understanding, fiend!

To the last, I grapple with thee! From Hell's Heart, I stab at thee! For Hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee!

/forgets to mention what side of the argument he's on.
 

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Mahoshonen said:
There can never be an understanding, fiend!

To the last, I grapple with thee! From Hell's Heart, I stab at thee! For Hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee!

/forgets to mention what side of the argument he's on.
I'm with that guy, he talks sense!

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I only have one problem with Mass Effect 3... Jessica Chobot. Other than that I'm pretty excited for Mass Effect 3.
 

teh_gunslinger

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NinjaDeathSlap said:
5.) Say Bioware is starting to abandon it's old fan base, is there a reason why?

Maybe it's because you never stop bloody complaining!

Great work thrives on criticism, granted. However, such criticism needs to be constructive, not hyperbolic, and people need to feel appreciated before they give you their best work. Maybe (just a suggestion) you should consider being a little nicer to the people at Bioware who work very hard to produce games for you. If you have a problem with one of their games, how about you contact them, and express politely, and coherently, where you felt the game was sub-par, and suggest ways it could have been improved, rather than bitching about how much the game sucks to people who can do nothing about it, offering nothing constructive, and acting like Bioware have personally betrayed you. If you're going to style yourself as the sort of person who will never be satisfied with anything, then why should they even try and impress you, when they can just go and find people who are generally more complimentary and easier to please to sell games to?
I'll just speak about this for a bit. I don't understand why I must be nice to Bioware. They're not my friends. They're a company. If they want my money they have to make a game I want to play. They haven't been doing that for quite a while.

I have never made a post on their forums so it's not like I rant at them all day long. I have however explained plenty of other places why most of their games since (and somewhat including) KotOR are not very good. Mass Effect is a rare exception and I quite like that one. Then they made Mass Effect 2 which pretty much wasted that potential. I think it's a fair use of forums and people are of course free not to read what I write.

Bioware certainly haven't betrayed me. As I said, they're not my friend. They have lowered their standards since BG2 though, and I for one would like to see them return to that. It's not going to happen due to todays consumers seemingly being upset if they have to work for anything.

Furthermore, I have no idea why I should be nice to them when they employ a dolt like David Gaider who can be very abrasive when people disagree with him.

I can be completely satisfied with a game. Even a Bioware game. They just haven't made that sort of games in a decade.

Though it's all a bit academical as I wont be buying Mass Effect 3. There is just no way they can salvage anything after Mass Effect 2.

Ah, wait. I'll say a bit about their marketing as well. Why on Earth do they spoil every damn NPC beforehand? There are still NPCs I haven't met or played with in Baldur's Gate but in ME they reveal them ages before. And it's not like there are many of them. Also Dude McBroson looks silly, as does Miss Uncanny Valley. I though it was bad enough with Miranda and her creepy face.

But their marketing. You say it's to provide a hook. Perhaps. And perhaps it even works on the sort of people who like boobs and explosions and crummy music. But at the same time it alienates people like me. If they want me to be interested they should show me the game and not tits and guns. The same goes for The New Shit for Dragon Age. That commercial almost prevented me from buying the game. And I kinda wish it had. Damn but it was a trudge to get through that one.